Some of my Graphics

[Scott]

Whoa, lots of stuff. You've probably done more Graal-related art then me, as well it looks like you have a general understanding of sprites. I'm not all happy about the general quality of the images.

General things about your images:
1. Lack of AA. Ya, pretty jagged stuff.
2. Contrast. Lots of your stuff really just looks like colors thrown together, without consideration of contour and the such.
3. Horrible palettes. I myself prefer dusty, monotone palettes for work. My opinion, but I do enjoy other vibrant ones. Yours just seems pretty default, and it looks like you didn't spend much time mixing colors.

I give this link to everyone; http://www.natomic.com/hosted/marks/mpat/shading.html
Should help you out some. Good luck, and keep at it. You've put lots of work into creating that much, but you need to spend some more time on quality.

Edit: About the GIF and PNG thing. Gifs were made illegal because of the whole patent thing. As far as I know, that Patent expired and you are now allowed to use GIFs. However, PNGs and MNGs are superior anyways. No point in using GIFs.

[TsunamiCatfish007]

Thanks for the tips ill try to work on that however i have my style you have yours is the way i look at it and the fact that i draw these all in paint with the mouse i do the best i can and i shade the best i can guess you cant please everybody anywho im proud of my work and i will continue to do it.oh also i dont use default colors i put a lot of time and work into those drawings as you said yourself. If you could sit here and watch i would make you eat those words =3. but you cant so oh well. My friends irl watch me do this stuff too so they know but again guess you cant see that cause your not here XD. Everybody cant draw EXACTLY like you do and no one on this earth will nore will anyone draw like me.

[Redwizard]

ive only seen about 5 or 6 maybe less, and i like them. Scott, she has a different style, it may not be the style you like, buts its a style, and what i see are well drawn, considering she used mspaint only, for a start, and does not post in forums to get feedback and help and such. I have to congratulate her on her compilation of work there, i like what ive seen, ill look at the rest some other time, but right now, some personaly matters need to be attended with. And scott, contrary to what you think of how she has not put a lot of effort into her work, i think she has. Just because somethign doesnt look extremely super polished doesnt mean the person who made them didnt work very hard on them. Please be a little less critical and search for the good things instead. The first reply you gave you said she worked on them, but the second completey contradicted your own statement. I do not wish to argue, but please at least try to see that these graphics that have been posted are a lot better than what most people post here anyway, so look for the goodness in it.

[Scott]

Originally Posted by Redwizard

ive only seen about 5 or 6 maybe less, and i like them. Scott, she has a different style, it may not be the style you like, buts its a style, and what i see are well drawn, considering she used mspaint only, for a start, and does not post in forums to get feedback and help and such. I have to congratulate her on her compilation of work there, i like what ive seen, ill look at the rest some other time, but right now, some personaly matters need to be attended with. And scott, contrary to what you think of how she has not put a lot of effort into her work, i think she has. Just because somethign doesnt look extremely super polished doesnt mean the person who made them didnt work very hard on them. Please be a little less critical and search for the good things instead. The first reply you gave you said she worked on them, but the second completey contradicted your own statement. I do not wish to argue, but please at least try to see that these graphics that have been posted are a lot better than what most people post here anyway, so look for the goodness in it.

Pixel art is pixel art. There is no definate compilation of different styles. As I said, it looks like he has put alot of effort into creating so many different images. I didn't state I thought he put effort into a single image alone. The general consistancy of the quality in work isn't showing progress, so from what I can tell he isn't taking tutorials or anything else into consideration.
MS Paint provides absolutely no handicap. Please don't encourage people to think that if they do something in MSPaint, they must have put more work into it because it's not a program used in the graphic design industry.
I have varied tastes in art, and even if I don't prefer one style, I can recognize the quality of it. Please, I had to deal with Donald and his phobia for the longest time. Don't tell me I've got another one on the desk now. If somone decides to post in this forum, I will be critical if I feel they are more, or even less experienced then me.

[Redwizard]

Scott. MSPAINT PROVIDES NO HANDICAP. wrong. With tools like psp and photoshop it is MUCH easier to shade. Sorry scott, but in this case, you are wrong. And i like her graphics, expecially that dragon thing. i dont see what you find to be so wrong with her graphics. ITS A DIFFERENT STYLE. Even though pixellign is pixelling, theres still different styles involved in pixelling. e.g. Pillow Shading is a style of shading, just as my pixelling style is small and sort of good, whereas your style super leet, deep and awesome. Eitherway keeping into mind most of these graphics are specifically for graal, and this is a gfx forum, for either "your style OR THE GRAAL STYLE", i still find it to be sort of offensive that after she spent so long making and posting all those graphics all she gets is a spit in the face and a kick in the stomach saying they suck. MSPaint is slow and lacks an extreme amount of good 'leet your graphics up' features, and that having been said, many these gfx look very well done in my opinion, even for someone who has used PSP or Photoshop. Please scott, look for the good, not just the bad.

[Scott]

Originally Posted by Redwizard

Scott. MSPAINT PROVIDES NO HANDICAP. wrong. With tools like psp and photoshop it is MUCH easier to shade. Sorry scott, but in this case, you are wrong.

As soon as you use Auto-AA tools and brushes, it no longer becomes Pixelart. As far as I can see, that's the category this work falls into. Distasteful pixelart, at that. You're in the wrong, pal. Take a gander over on to www.pixeldev.net and look in their pixel art forum. There's a standard for quality there, and you can see some of the most amazing pixel artists there. Look at the reference Goboom posted as well.

Originally Posted by Redwizard

And i like her graphics, expecially that dragon thing. i dont see what you find to be so wrong with her graphics. ITS A DIFFERENT STYLE. Even though pixellign is pixelling, theres still different styles involved in pixelling. e.g. Pillow Shading is a style of shading, just as my pixelling style is small and sort of good, whereas your style super leet, deep and awesome. Eitherway keeping into mind most of these graphics are specifically for graal, and this is a gfx forum, for either "your style OR THE GRAAL STYLE", i still find it to be sort of offensive that after she spent so long making and posting all those graphics all she gets is a spit in the face and a kick in the stomach saying they suck.

Pillowshading is a poor example of a style. It's frowned upon in the Pixel Art community, as it shows ones lack of knowledge when it comes to light source preception. I never said they sucked, there are artists of less quality than him. Don't put words in my mouth. I can like, or dislike any type of art as I so choose. Like I've already said, style and quality or two different things.

Originally Posted by Redwizard

MSPaint is slow and lacks an extreme amount of good 'leet your graphics up' features, and that having been said, many these gfx look very well done in my opinion.

Look at what Goboom posted. Pixel Art is a specific type of art in which you do not use filters, plug-ins, or any helping hands. It is a tedious style, and a specific type. MSPaint is much more swift when it comes to make Pixel Art compared to Photoshop. The less add-ons and features make more user friendly and streamlined. Shutup.

[Raelyn]

Originally Posted by Scott

The general consistancy of the quality in work isn't showing progress, so from what I can tell he isn't taking tutorials or anything else into consideration.

I'd like to say, this is an ugly statement to make, I've never read a single graphics tutorial, and I never take anything anyone else says into "consideration" because it's my opinion that matters, and my style, and beyond that, you can kiss my arse. I don't draw, paint, and pixel to show to people, I do it for me, and me alone. Occasionally I share my art with my good friends, but most of the time only because it comes up in a "Whatcha doing?" or "Whatcha been up to lately?" conversation.

I don't listen to critisism of my art, period, it's my art, I enjoy it, and I am sure every other artist feels the same way. Artists don't bend their styles to please the masses, and if everyone followed the same art tutorials, we would have alot of uncreative clones, wouldn't we?

Instead of telling people "What you can improve." just tell them how much you like it and keep your rude comments to yourself.

Originally Posted by TsunamiCatfish007

anywho i hope you enjoy my artwork rather they are graal style or not is up to you i kinda go with gut instinct when i make stuff.

Love your work Tsu, I go with my gut instinct too. Keep up the good work, and happy painting.

[Scott]

Originally Posted by Raelyn

I'd like to say, this is an ugly statement to make, I've never read a single graphics tutorial, and I never take anything anyone else says into "consideration" because it's my opinion that matters, and my style, and beyond that, you can kiss my arse. I don't draw, paint, and pixel to show to people, I do it for me, and me alone. Occasionally I share my art with my good friends, but most of the time only because it comes up in a "Whatcha doing?" or "Whatcha been up to lately?" conversation.

I draw for personal pleasure as well. However, I strive to improve myself. I'm not big on tutorials because I prefer to learn myself, but I admit I have looked at one or two when it comes to pixel art. Mainly for basics such as AA and Light Source stuff. Which, to say the least, are basic needs when it comes to pixel art if you want to make some what quality images.

Originally Posted by Raelyn

I don't listen to critisism of my art, period, it's my art, I enjoy it, and I am sure every other artist feels the same way. Artists don't bend their styles to please the masses, and if everyone followed the same art tutorials, we would have alot of uncreative clones, wouldn't we?

Okay then. I didn't ask him to change his style, nor did I give a specific style he should "clone." When it comes to tutorials like the one I provided, it's just basic "to the core" information most artists need to know. Everyone has their own style, yes, but using the word "Style" as an excuse for quality is totally different. When I first started out at Pixel Art, I sucked. I was going slow, and had horrible line art. Eventually I progress, and when it all comes down to it I'm trying to prefect my coloring and contrast issues. It's fine to have your own style, but why not have style with quality? (Eg. Pixel art with AA.)

Originally Posted by Raelyn

Instead of telling people "What you can improve." just tell them how much you like it and keep your rude comments to yourself.

No. This is a Graphics Forum, not an Art Praise forum. I'll give my critisism because this section of the forum is my most visited part. If you read my first post, I was trying to be helpful and give feedback. It wasn't until I recieved ignorant replies did I decide to be more blunt.

[davidpsy]

Originally Posted by Scott

Whoa, lots of stuff. You've probably done more Graal-related art then me, as well it looks like you have a general understanding of sprites. I'm not all happy about the general quality of the images.

General things about your images:
1. Lack of AA. Ya, pretty jagged stuff.
2. Contrast. Lots of your stuff really just looks like colors thrown together, without consideration of contour and the such.
3. Horrible palettes. I myself prefer dusty, monotone palettes for work. My opinion, but I do enjoy other vibrant ones. Yours just seems pretty default, and it looks like you didn't spend much time mixing colors.

I give this link to everyone; http://www.natomic.com/hosted/marks/mpat/shading.html
Should help you out some. Good luck, and keep at it. You've put lots of work into creating that much, but you need to spend some more time on quality.

Edit: About the GIF and PNG thing. Gifs were made illegal because of the whole patent thing. As far as I know, that Patent expired and you are now allowed to use GIFs. However, PNGs and MNGs are superior anyways. No point in using GIFs.

Yeah, I agree she has a style but can improve.

Originally Posted by TsunamiCatfish007

Thanks for the tips ill try to work on that however i have my style you have yours is the way i look at it and the fact that i draw these all in paint with the mouse i do the best i can and i shade the best i can guess you cant please everybody anywho im proud of my work and i will continue to do it.oh also i dont use default colors i put a lot of time and work into those drawings as you said yourself. If you could sit here and watch i would make you eat those words =3. but you cant so oh well. My friends irl watch me do this stuff too so they know but again guess you cant see that cause your not here XD. Everybody cant draw EXACTLY like you do and no one on this earth will nore will anyone draw like me.

Eat those words? I think you have the wrong impression lol. Scott was only trying to help you improve, he gave some very good crisisim. Your work is good, infact I do like it alot, but there is always room for inprovement. The lessons that an artist must learn are endless. I'm sure you do spend alot of time on your work, again Scott was only trying to help you. We arnt trying to be mean or anything lol.

Originally Posted by Scott

Uh. I've used MS Paint and a mouse for 2 years. I don't get where you're going with that, as most people went it comes to pixelart do use a mouse. The way you shade can always be improved by reading tutorials and the such. I really don't think you put alot of effort into your work, or they would be more original and full of shape. Please don't give that overly used statement about "I draw the way I draw." Sure, people have their own styles, but if they want positive exposure (Outside of their bedroom and school.) they need to improve what they do.

I agree, but I do think she puts alot of effort and work into her art. There is always room for improvement, contrustive crisisim is an equired taste.

Originally Posted by Redwizard

ive only seen about 5 or 6 maybe less, and i like them. Scott, she has a different style, it may not be the style you like, buts its a style, and what i see are well drawn, considering she used mspaint only, for a start, and does not post in forums to get feedback and help and such. I have to congratulate her on her compilation of work there, i like what ive seen, ill look at the rest some other time, but right now, some personaly matters need to be attended with. And scott, contrary to what you think of how she has not put a lot of effort into her work, i think she has. Just because somethign doesnt look extremely super polished doesnt mean the person who made them didnt work very hard on them. Please be a little less critical and search for the good things instead. The first reply you gave you said she worked on them, but the second completey contradicted your own statement. I do not wish to argue, but please at least try to see that these graphics that have been posted are a lot better than what most people post here anyway, so look for the goodness in it.

Yes, it is important to look for the goodness in people, but if you comepletely ignore the bad, you wont improve. It is always good to have a balance. I think Scott acknowlages she has a different style, but there is always room for improvement. I dont really think scott was trying to be mean. I think he has a hard time imageing her spending alot of time on these peices. I do believe alot of effort was put into them, I also believe that they can be improved. I think Scott does like her work but wants to help her improve.

Originally Posted by Scott

Pixel art is pixel art. There is no definate compilation of different styles. As I said, it looks like he has put alot of effort into creating so many different images. I didn't state I thought he put effort into a single image alone. The general consistancy of the quality in work isn't showing progress, so from what I can tell he isn't taking tutorials or anything else into consideration.
MS Paint provides absolutely no handicap. Please don't encourage people to think that if they do something in MSPaint, they must have put more work into it because it's not a program used in the graphic design industry.
I have varied tastes in art, and even if I don't prefer one style, I can recognize the quality of it. Please, I had to deal with Donald and his phobia for the longest time. Don't tell me I've got another one on the desk now. If somone decides to post in this forum, I will be critical if I feel they are more, or even less experienced then me.

lol... Phobia is it now? I'm glad I got over that, anyway yes ms paint is not really harder to work in then most programs, it may not have the special aa and smudge features, when used right can make things look alot better, but with a pixeled approch and some work, you can make some nice peices. It all depended on the program that you use, but more importantly how you use it which will deturmin how your peice turns out.

Originally Posted by Goboom

MSPAINT is a very simple tool to use, many wonderful things can come out of it.


(st0ven - Pixelation)

Done in MSPAINT, no problem.
Pixelart takes more time than brush art.
MSPAINT IS NO HANDICAP AS SCOTT SAID!

Yes, generally pixel art does take loger then brush work, which is better? its really a matter of opinion. In reality they are just different styles, well done peices in both areas can be very good.

Originally Posted by Redwizard

Scott. MSPAINT PROVIDES NO HANDICAP. wrong. With tools like psp and photoshop it is MUCH easier to shade. Sorry scott, but in this case, you are wrong. And i like her graphics, expecially that dragon thing.

Yes, it is much easyer to shade and make things look better, in psp7 I have found some exelent tools that can be used to help in the area of pixel art such as the color replacement tool. What I think scott means by mspaint prvideing no handicap is that, you have total control of every single little pixel where as in brush work you do things a bit more sketchy and "to the wind" as it were. Both styles can weild good things. It is not the program that makes the artist, but how the artist that uses the program.

Originally Posted by Redwizard

i dont see what you find to be so wrong with her graphics. ITS A DIFFERENT STYLE. Even though pixellign is pixelling, theres still different styles involved in pixelling. e.g. Pillow Shading is a style of shading, just as my pixelling style is small and sort of good, whereas your style super leet, deep and awesome..

I dont really think scott dislikes her graphics, he was only trying to help her improve. Yes its a different style but, there is always room for improvement of that style. I do believe scott respects her style and your style. I dont really think he was trying to be mean or anything, he was just trying to help.

Originally Posted by Redwizard

Eitherway keeping into mind most of these graphics are specifically for graal, and this is a gfx forum, for either "your style OR THE GRAAL STYLE", i still find it to be sort of offensive that after she spent so long making and posting all those graphics all she gets is a spit in the face and a kick in the stomach saying they suck.

Nah, I dont think Scotty ment to imply anything like that. He even said he liked them, they are good peices. He was only trying to help her improve.

Originally Posted by Redwizard

MSPaint is slow and lacks an extreme amount of good 'leet your graphics up' features, and that having been said, many these gfx look very well done in my opinion, even for someone who has used PSP or Photoshop. Please scott, look for the good, not just the bad.

He does look for the good, I really dont think scotty was trying to be mean.