Can anyone help with my line art?

colin012 · #1 02-21-2007, 04:12 AM

I got shading down almost rock solid (Not clasic shading but gold shading) I just don't know how to do outlines... Here is the best outline I ever did and that fact is sad. If I can get line art down solid I will be set to get better as I go but without even the slightest clue on how to do it I'm sunk.... Oh theirs no whight text at all here......Haha! made ya look. Sorry for being all wordy I'm love struck so I'm constently talking like a wrighter...

killerogue · #2 02-21-2007, 04:17 AM

Sorryto say but no. You don't have shading down rock solid bro because that's what we call pillow shading. As in one color after another getting lighter each time without any other sort of shading technique. :] Also your lineart is fine. Might want to read a tutorial on AA tho.

colin012 · #3 02-21-2007, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by killerogue

Sorryto say but no. You don't have shading down rock solid bro because that's what we call pillow shading. As in one color after another getting lighter each time without any other sort of shading technique. :] Also your lineart is fine. Might want to read a tutorial on AA tho.

Why would it not go from light to dark

My line art is fine on this but I can't get anymore complicated shapes.... and whats AA? I Think this would be pillow not whats up their...

killerogue · #4 02-21-2007, 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by colin012

Why would it not go from light to dark

My line art is fine on this but I can't get anymore complicated shapes.... and whats AA?

No that's the the problem when I'm saying from light to dark. I'm saying that's a frowned upon practice of shading it from light to dark like that. Find your lightsource then read a couple tutorials. If I can find some to post with Moon Goddess' allowance I will post some for you.

AA = Anti-Aliasing.

colin012 · #5 02-21-2007, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by killerogue

No that's the the problem when I'm saying from light to dark. I'm saying that's a frowned upon practice of shading it from light to dark like that. Find your lightsource then read a couple tutorials. If I can find some to post with Moon Goddess' allowance I will post some for you.

AA = Anti-Aliasing.

Their is a light sorce look at the top. it's lighter then everything else.... heres another example of siome shading with a light sorce of mine...
Note thats only 2 pixles from top to bottom..... (And thanks for not being a noob about it)

killerogue · #6 02-21-2007, 05:03 AM

No problem about not being a noob.

But I think you're failing to realize my point. I'm not saying you don't have a lightsource but find a lightsource and try different techniques rather than one after the other shading such as this. Try dithering which is the use of shading by dots. If you need examples PM me and I can give you them.

Stephen · #7 02-21-2007, 05:05 AM

Looks great, just fix your perspectives instead of rotating original.

colin012 · #8 02-21-2007, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by killerogue

No problem about not being a noob.

But I think you're failing to realize my point. I'm not saying you don't have a lightsource but find a lightsource and try different techniques rather than one after the other shading such as this. Try dithering which is the use of shading by dots. If you need examples PM me and I can give you them.

This is pixle art........ and is this an example of AA

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Originally Posted by Stephen

Looks great, just fix your perspectives instead of rotating original.

huh? I'm trying to make it so it doesn't look bent and whatever happend to help with line art??

killerogue · #9 02-21-2007, 06:00 AM

Dude, I know that it's pixel art. And yes that is ok AA for your first time trying it (?). What I'm saying to you is not about it being pixel art or not it's your technique you're using. Read please. =/

Stephen · #10 02-21-2007, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by colin012

huh? I'm trying to make it so it doesn't look bent and whatever happend to help with line art??

I'd have to give myself an infraction for the image I want to link you to, but I'll put it like this; I'm not your mom.

konidias · #11 02-21-2007, 06:23 AM

Okay...

1. what the heck is that thing anyway? looks like a straw...
2. what line art? it's a tiny little straw shaped thing... there isn't any lineart to speak of
3. your object is too small to even need much shading at all. hold a pencil up in front of you. how much shadow is cast on the pencil? I wouldn't imagine it would be that much. and if anything it should be running down the length of your object, not the ends...

Tom · #12 02-21-2007, 12:21 PM

Eh, id say the same thing as konidias. But also, you should try and create some outlines a little bigger. May be easier working with a bigger space than a tiny space where every colour counts.

Demisis_P2P · #13 02-21-2007, 12:22 PM

Guys, why are you doing this to him? Can't you see he's love struck and just loves writing like a writer?

HINT: If you want to do awesome line art, add more lines.

smirt362 · #14 02-21-2007, 04:33 PM

It's all about understanding how to create curves and lines that don't go north/south/east/west.

colin012 · #15 02-21-2007, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by killerogue

Dude, I know that it's pixel art. And yes that is ok AA for your first time trying it (?). What I'm saying to you is not about it being pixel art or not it's your technique you're using. Read please. =/

you mean but blank pixles in????

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Originally Posted by Stephen

I'd have to give myself an infraction for the image I want to link you to, but I'll put it like this; I'm not your mom.

Ewww I hope not!

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Originally Posted by konidias

Okay...

1. what the heck is that thing anyway? looks like a straw...
2. what line art? it's a tiny little straw shaped thing... there isn't any lineart to speak of
3. your object is too small to even need much shading at all. hold a pencil up in front of you. how much shadow is cast on the pencil? I wouldn't imagine it would be that much. and if anything it should be running down the length of your object, not the ends...

1. It's a futuristic blow dart gun for zone
2. My point exactly..... I need to learn line art I'm not asking for a rating
3. It's a weapon it has to fit the charecters...

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Originally Posted by Tom

Eh, id say the same thing as konidias. But also, you should try and create some outlines a little bigger. May be easier working with a bigger space than a tiny space where every colour counts.

I would try but I don't have the line art skills to do so...

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Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P

Guys, why are you doing this to him? Can't you see he's love struck and just loves writing like a writer?

HINT: If you want to do awesome line art, add more lines.

wow great hint...

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Originally Posted by smirt362

It's all about understanding how to create curves and lines that don't go north/south/east/west.

Exactly what I need help doing. I can't figure out how to do it....

killerogue · #16 02-21-2007, 07:52 PM

Dude, GFXing is a skill you can't be taught. I found that when I first started. I asked everyone to help but it's just no teachable. It's not like scripting or learning a trade skill. You have to read tutorials. And keep trying and read. Look at others people work and try to do the same without completely copying.

E: Demi I'm making you my second funniest on Graal for that comment.

smirt362 · #17 02-21-2007, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by colin012

Exactly what I need help doing. I can't figure out how to do it....

Take a good pixel art example, zoom in on it, all shall be revealed.

Crow · #18 02-21-2007, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by killerogue

Dude, GFXing is a skill you can't be taught. I found that when I first started. I asked everyone to help but it's just no teachable. It's not like scripting or learning a trade skill. You have to read tutorials. And keep trying and read. Look at others people work and try to do the same without completely copying.

E: Demi I'm making you my second funniest on Graal for that comment.

You actually can be taught pixel art, you just have to teach yourself and take advices.

killerogue · #19 02-21-2007, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Crow

You actually can be taught pixel art, you just have to teach yourself and take advices.

What I meant was on a student teacher basis. It can't be taught like if I was a teacher and you were a student...

E: Just my opinion but people who have experience hand-drawing IRL will have better luck in getting better at pixeling. Out of my own experiences this is true.

smirt362 · #20 02-21-2007, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by killerogue

What I meant was on a student teacher basis. It can't be taught like if I was a teacher and you were a student...

E: Just my opinion but people who have experience hand-drawing IRL will have better luck in getting better at pixeling. Out of my own experiences this is true.

I'm terrible at hand drawing and I do all right for myself

The concepts are pretty different.

Free handing something on a piece of paper is drawing in one continuous stroke (basically) while pixel art is zooming in on an image REALLY CLOSE and then making little dots...it's more like a mosaic.

killerogue · #21 02-21-2007, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by smirt362

I'm terrible at hand drawing and I do all right for myself

The concepts are pretty different.

Free handing something on a piece of paper is drawing in one continuous stroke (basically) while pixel art is zooming in on an image REALLY CLOSE and then making little dots...it's more like a mosaic.

Smirt try to notice the words 'opinion' and 'own experiences'. I draw really well by hand and that helped me to understand pixeling a bit better. Lancelot9 drew by hand as well pretty good.

konidias · #22 02-21-2007, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by smirt362

Free handing something on a piece of paper is drawing in one continuous stroke (basically) while pixel art is zooming in on an image REALLY CLOSE and then making little dots...it's more like a mosaic.

Can't say I agree... I use the line tool in paint nearly like I do a pencil on paper.

Crono · #23 02-21-2007, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by killerogue

Dude, GFXing is a skill you can't be taught...You have to read tutorials. And keep trying and read. Look at others people work and try to do the same without completely copying.

you just contradicted yourself

Tom · #24 02-21-2007, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerami

you just contradicted yourself

rofl he did aswell xD that was awesome.

killerogue · #25 02-22-2007, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Gerami

you just contradicted yourself

Sorry, no. That isn't a contradiction. Because you can't be taught to pixel Crono tutorials are to guide you and show you how to do things or to give examples. And when saying you can't be taught I mean you can't generally be taught how to pixel.

Crono · #26 02-22-2007, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by killerogue

Sorry, no. That isn't a contradiction. Because you can't be taught to pixel Crono tutorials are to guide you and show you how to do things or to give examples. And when saying you can't be taught I mean you can't generally be taught how to pixel.

Exactly, those tutorials will TEACH you how to do things. So pixeling can be TAUGHT.

killerogue · #27 02-22-2007, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Gerami

Exactly, those tutorials will TEACH you how to do things. So pixeling can be TAUGHT.

Wrong, tutorials GUIDE you....tutorials can't quite TEACH you. They can SHOW you how to do things which is like GUIDING. TEACHING would be having you studying and the such. Whereas no matter how much you STUDY pixel art you can still suck at it.

E: In essence what I'm trying to say is you can learn how to pixel but noone can teach you. If that makes any sense? Also AIM me? Argue on forums less?

colin012 · #28 02-22-2007, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by killerogue

Wrong, tutorials GUIDE you....tutorials can't quite TEACH you. They can SHOW you how to do things which is like GUIDING. TEACHING would be having you studying and the such. Whereas no matter how much you STUDY pixel art you can still suck at it.

E: In essence what I'm trying to say is you can learn how to pixel but noone can teach you. If that makes any sense? Also AIM me? Argue on forums less?

Makes sence and can someone line the back of this musket I'm trying to make?

Zideruic · #29 02-22-2007, 02:55 AM

Here you go.

Crono · #30 02-22-2007, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by killerogue

Wrong, tutorials GUIDE you....tutorials can't quite TEACH you. They can SHOW you how to do things which is like GUIDING. TEACHING would be having you studying and the such. Whereas no matter how much you STUDY pixel art you can still suck at it.

Yeah they can. They can teach you shading techniques and how to make isometric graphics. Showing someone how to do something is the same thing as teaching them man.

Demisis_P2P · #31 02-22-2007, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Zideruic

Here you go.

Nice work Zideruic, but let me have a shot at it. I'm the Guns Admin on Era (seriously, that's my actual job on the server o_o).

I made an easy to follow step-by-step tutorial on how to improve this.

Stephen · #32 02-22-2007, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P

Nice work Zideruic, but let me have a shot at it. I'm the Guns Admin on Era (seriously, that's my actual job on the server o_o).

I made an easy to follow step-by-step tutorial on how to improve this.

I love you.

Chandler · #33 02-22-2007, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P

Nice work Zideruic, but let me have a shot at it. I'm the Guns Admin on Era (seriously, that's my actual job on the server o_o).

I made an easy to follow step-by-step tutorial on how to improve this.

Hahaha

smirt362 · #34 02-22-2007, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P

Nice work Zideruic, but let me have a shot at it. I'm the Guns Admin on Era (seriously, that's my actual job on the server o_o).

I made an easy to follow step-by-step tutorial on how to improve this.

Very nice.

Crono · #35 02-22-2007, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P

Nice work Zideruic, but let me have a shot at it. I'm the Guns Admin on Era (seriously, that's my actual job on the server o_o).

I made an easy to follow step-by-step tutorial on how to improve this.

haha, ***** dude that was awesome xD

colin012 · #36 02-23-2007, 04:15 AM

The end looks unusal and that dithering doesn't make the image sharp at all. It looks plain ugly to me.....

WhiteDragon · #37 02-23-2007, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by colin012

The end looks unusal and that dithering doesn't make the image sharp at all. It looks plain ugly to me.....

Shut up, he just turned your gun into a plane, how does that not amuse you the slightest bit? <.<

colin012 · #38 02-23-2007, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by WhiteDragon

Shut up, he just turned your gun into a plane, how does that not amuse you the slightest bit? <.<

I wrote that post before reading what he wrote in the tutorial and I was personaly thinking his look like a plain ROTFLOL Heres a dager I made... It was originaly gonna be a more flashy version of my blow dart tube and after where the lineart is now I zoomed out to see how it looked when not pixely and it looked like a dager XD

smirt362 · #39 02-23-2007, 07:56 PM

It looks like a large thumb tack.

Crow · #40 02-23-2007, 09:04 PM

Looks like a dildo LEL.

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