BALANCE GODS. please?

[Dark-Dragoon]

Seriously, currently the gods are EXTREMELY imbalanced.
Aengus is only if you use a bow, Leuc isn't that great, DianCecht denies wounds so you have to use Holy Word (if that even works), Brigid is just for avatar, and then we have the real gods.
Ogma - Super poison weapons of death.
Bile - You never have to eat, ever.
Govannon - 70% of GK uses this =/ Slay Giant owns T-rexes, and the blessings are just the best period...
Balor - Flaming aura + that Vilisomething spell I heard he gets.
I say give Aengus some new type of benefit - Speed+ perhaps?
DianCecht should be...fixed, period. I heard Tyhm talk about changing him to Vangel and redoing him, that'd be thx.
Maybe make Lightning a strong attack? Or something that Lit resist would matter?
Brigid can't use weapons, so unless you're a pure priest it's useless. Maybe give her good spells you can get at a low level? Good relics?
Gods need to be balanced...really.

[UNPTWOPWINNER]

ROFL
Leuc is the next best thing if you don't use Gov and hate to use Ogma's poison.
And Leuc is far from "not great".
Meet me at the battle arena sometime so I can show you forked lightning. Better yet, let Brad do it since it's what he does best.


Electricity attacktype is VERY good. It's never failed me against other people...so I don't see your problem with it.

Brigid gives very nice regen advantages, as she is used for those spellcasters. Plus her spells are suppose to be nice if they worked. And lets not forget her Relics? Just used for her avatar my butt. :o

Now on to Dian. If you blind somebody with his blind attacktype, you can forget about them hitting you while blind. It's a great attacktype if you just don't want people hitting you.

And finally Aengus. Luck+2? Enough said. Makes map drop more often as other things, makes spells easier to learn. Yummy.

The complaints you bring forth about most of the Gods can be fixed by not worshipping the God. Like you say Aengus is for if you use bows, so if you don't use bows, simply don't pray to him.

And I think I typed too much....yep.
:o

[Termina_Owner]

Erm... God's have thier own uses, though more particulary.

When I'm a Sorc, and I start with Scroll of Piety, I follow Brigid or another god that'd help my magic.

When I'm a barbarian (I can't call them Barbs, because that's an entire new class, you know those people who dance and play music and tell tales... Erm.. Robin Hood's compaingion!), I rather just pray to Balor, Aengus, or Gov, mainly depending I'm doing.

It's mostly based on character structure. If you want your character to simulate something, then your so better off with the diverse gods.

[Judge_S]

Gods will be balanced when we get forts.
IE: Never.

[UNPTWOPWINNER]

Originally posted by Termina_Owner
When I'm a barbarian (I can't call them Barbs, because that's an entire new class, you know those people who dance and play music and tell tales... Erm.. Robin Hood's compaingion!), I rather just pray to Balor, Aengus, or Gov, mainly depending I'm doing.

...Do you mean a Bard? Otherwise I have no idea what you're saying.

[--Chris--]

Wow, this thread is so messed up I don't even know where to start to prove you wrong <3! Dude, you're so off it isn't even funny. In actuallity Govannon is just about the worst God >_>

[Dark-Dragoon]

Originally posted by UNPTWOPWINNER

The complaints you bring forth about most of the Gods can be fixed by not worshipping the God. Like you say Aengus is for if you use bows, so if you don't use bows, simply don't pray to him.

The point is I should be able to worship a god and have it be just as good as any other.

Originally posted by --Chris--
Wow, this thread is so messed up I don't even know where to start to prove you wrong <3! Dude, you're so off it isn't even funny. In actuallity Govannon is just about the worst God >_>

Govannon's actual bonuses to the priest(ess) aren't that great, I agree, but once they start blessing these crazy level 25+ people are shelling out major cash to get blessings. With money, you can do anything.
CHART: Govannon - > Money - > Ownage
Maybe it's because I worship DianCecht (Because my character is a Paladin. I'm a warrior and I'm going to worship the holy god)
I can't use wounds to level up my wisdom, and it takes 8 wisdom levels to get another +1 every time. I'm not even sure if Holy Word is going to work to level my wisdom up.
I used to use Leuc, back when level 10 was very high, and he seemed to stink. Now that there's Forked Lightning, I guess he's good - apparently it's a very strong spell. I know Brad uses it to mess with people.

[Brad]

i aint leet nomore

[Dark-Dragoon]

Also, is Summon Cult Monsters ever going to be added?
It would REALLY be good. Summon down a mini angel to kick some ass, or Balor summoning a fire thingamabob.

[gravator]

Brigid only adds HP and Grace regen, It's Aengus that gives magic+1 and luck+1.

Will there ever be a way to see how much luck you have?

Why do we have personality skill if nobody can ever level that up???? (we're all nerds at a comp alot, is that what stefans telling us with that?)

[UNPTWOPWINNER]

Originally posted by gravator

Will there ever be a way to see how much luck you have?

scroll/rod of perceive self

:o

[Kaiser2]

You CAN also level personality you know. x.x

[graaliholic]

I'm not even going to start correcting a bunch of you. Maybe you think gods are unbalanced because most of the things don't work properly, or people complain when something is actually useful (see flaming aura, and soon vitriol) Also gods won't be done anytime soon, because it's too "minor" for most staff to think of doing (are there even still staff excluding stefan?), so when gods are done (which wan't happen), you'll see lots of balance (this is assuming stefan doesn't nerf every spell that someone gets that's useful).

[gravator]

Graalihalic is right, as soon as folks learn how to use a spell to their advantage all those on Bmode that hate losing what advantage they DID work hard for are going to moan and groan and gripe how unfair things seem to have gotten for them.


It happened with Flaming Aura which was just fine the way it was at first mind you crybabies that don't know what magic resist rings are for.

[Splke]

Gods are a small part of the unbalanced gameplay of Kingdoms.. get used to it, dont *****, nothing will EVER get done that will change it (in the next year) so jus get used to ****ty unbalanced fun... =\

[Qwert616]

Originally posted by gravator
Graalihalic is right, as soon as folks learn how to use a spell to their advantage all those on Bmode that hate losing what advantage they DID work hard for are going to moan and groan and gripe how unfair things seem to have gotten for them.


It happened with Flaming Aura which was just fine the way it was at first mind you crybabies that don't know what magic resist rings are for.

It's called nerfing, get used to it.

[Splke]

Originally posted by Qwert616


It's called nerfing, get used to it.

They nerfed the best spells...

Large Fireball

Large Snowstorm

Large Manaball

>< those SUCK ass now, and according to DX they used to rock like hell.

[Monkeyboy_McGee]

Originally posted by Dark-Dragoon

Brigid can't use weapons, so unless you're a pure priest it's useless.

Yes. Most of the problem lies in the class system being completely useless. Thanks, bye.

Originally posted by graaliholic
Maybe you think gods are unbalanced because most of the things don't work properly, or people complain when something is actually useful (see flaming aura, and soon vitriol)

Yup. This system workde on CF, which means that it cannot work here o_O
Like a science experiment; you can't get the exact same set of results for two dissimilar experiments =x

Also gods won't be done anytime soon, because it's too "minor" for most staff to think of doing.

Yup. Isn't this half the reason why not many people bother praying to aengus and stuff, because his relic (the best thing about him, imho) doesn't work, and even if it did would be obsolete due to prep weaponscrolls?

Originally posted by gravator

It happened with Flaming Aura which was just fine the way it was at first mind you crybabies that don't know what magic resist rings are for.

See, the thing is, they'd rather wear their dual RoWs/RoS's so that they can go "pwning" people, and so instead of just putting up with it by getting some resist rings, they whine about it until the spells can't hurt a fly anymore.

[Splke]

Monkeyboy_McGee
Yup. This system workde on CF, which means that it cannot work here o_O
Like a science experiment; you can't get the exact same set of results for two dissimilar experiments =x

Kingdoms Mudlib is based off of the CF system... basically it was a 'copy' and 'paste' type thing, so the two systems are exactly similar in every way... except for newer additions of items. (which arent many)

[Satrek2000]

Originally posted by Splke
Kingdoms Mudlib is based off of the CF system... basically it was a 'copy' and 'paste' type thing, so the two systems are exactly similar in every way... except for newer additions of items. (which arent many)

A list of all the differences would probably exceede a page on an average monitor...
For example, refer to the alchemy recipes and all the monsters which aren't avaliable on GK.
GK has no holy symbols (talisman for praying).
Quests work differently on CF (no trading as far as I know).
Stat potions are much more common, hence the high requirements for improved stat scrolls.
Diamonds are much more common on CF.
You can actually trade plats for diamonds.
You can convert altars to your diety (that's what Consecrate is for).
Poison and sickness effects are much faster in CF.
I can't remember CF having Lords or Eventitems.
...
...

As for Gods, they are balanced, the main "unbalance" is in the people's different levels, making some effects stronger or weaker than others.

[Monkeyboy_McGee]

Originally posted by Satrek2000


A list of all the differences would probably exceede a page on an average monitor...
For example, refer to the alchemy recipes and all the monsters which aren't avaliable on GK.
GK has no holy symbols (talisman for praying).
Quests work differently on CF (no trading as far as I know).
Stat potions are much more common, hence the high requirements for improved stat scrolls.
Diamonds are much more common on CF.
You can actually trade plats for diamonds.
You can convert altars to your diety (that's what Consecrate is for).
Poison and sickness effects are much faster in CF.
I can't remember CF having Lords or Eventitems.
...
...

As for Gods, they are balanced, the main "unbalance" is in the people's different levels, making some effects stronger or weaker than others.

Yeah, plus i was thinking along the lines of movement and visuals and actions and stuff. I've only glanced at screenshots of CF, but it looks to me like the fighting system is turn-based or some jazz (could be wrong, of course o_O) whereas in GK it's just like...free-swinging action.

[zell12]

Originally posted by Dark-Dragoon
Also, is Summon Cult Monsters ever going to be added?
It would REALLY be good. Summon down a mini angel to kick some ass, or Balor summoning a fire thingamabob.

When I was on debug, Stefan and I discussed this. But since we only have like, three monsters that fall into the catagory of demon, undead, angel, ect... we cant summon cult monsters. :/

[DragonX]

Vitriol should never be released. What is the point of having a spell/prayer that will piss EVERYONE off by removing their hard earned +'s on their items? That is retarded. Lots of stuff on CF are easier to do and that's why vitriol works well there. GK is totally different. It is harder to earn stuff here. So unless they make it 10x easier to earn EA, I doubt vitriol will be released without any nerfing.

[Brad]

leucetious 4 lyfizzle

[zell12]

It's only good if you get jagen to give you stuff to get high wis/grace, eh Brad?

[Monkeyboy_McGee]

Originally posted by zell12
It's only good if you get jagen to give you stuff to get high wis/grace, eh Brad?

How comes brad got unbanned, or whatever made him come back to graal?

[Kaiser2]

Brad's leetness causes the banhammer to miss every now and then.

[Qwert616]

Originally posted by Splke


They nerfed the best spells...

Large Fireball

Large Snowstorm

Large Manaball

>< those SUCK ass now, and according to DX they used to rock like hell.

You see, when one spell or ability becomes noticeably stronger than the others the staff either have to make all the other spells equally stronger, or tone down that spell to the levels of others.

It is not all that suprising to see it happen, especially in a beta MMORPG.

[Monkeyboy_McGee]

Originally posted by Kaiser2
Brad's leetness causes the banhammer to miss every now and then.

Blah, his idiocy should cancel that "leetness" out tenfold though! I think we should attach this banhammer to a nuclear power station and then release radiation onto it to make it "Super-Banhammer! Now with added cape and superhero mask!".

[zell12]

I think your a case-subject for what happens hen you play graal too much.

[Monkeyboy_McGee]

Originally posted by zell12
I think your a case-subject for what happens hen you play graal too much.

True

[Kaiser2]

A SUPER-banhammer, eh? I like the sound of that...

[GoZelda]

"And in a big tomb far, far, far away, and a long time ago, the very tiny Dwarven King buried his huge Stefan's Dwarven BanHammer of Immense Doom (improved 100/100) (dam+666) (attacktypes: doom, ban, own, fire, cold, weaponmagic) (slay: Angel, Cow, Sheep, Hacker, Cheater, Bug Abuser, Demon, Giant, Ant), and a little boy named Stefan found it. And used it. Then he went corrupt and killed everyone."

[Dark-Dragoon]

Brad EA'd his leetness so the banhammer can't hit him
Who wants to donate diamonds and IWD's so we can prep the banhammer? Maybe we can bless it to someone?

[Brad]

What're these ******s talking about. I don't have any of Leucetious good **** jackass Excal I got all of his low **** like Forked and Divine Shock. And what the bloody horse anus are you talking about a ban hammer? I am not doing anything wrong you *****ic canadians.

[Satrek2000]

Originally posted by GoZelda
[...](slay: Angel, Cow, Sheep, Hacker, Cheater, Bug Abuser, Demon, Giant, Ant)[...]"

You might want to think about including sheeps there... I know some quite skilled battlesheeps...

Originally posted by Brad
What're these ******s talking about. I don't have any of Leucetious good **** jackass Excal I got all of his low **** like Forked and Divine Shock. And what the bloody horse anus are you talking about a ban hammer? I am not doing anything wrong you *****ic canadians.

Sounds to me like you're cussing...

[zell12]

Seems like Brad needs a lesson or two in, "not being a jackass and getting banned again."

[Monkeyboy_McGee]

Originally posted by Satrek2000


You might want to think about including sheeps there... I know some quite skilled battlesheeps...

Yes, sheeps can be crazy powarful when they're protecting their little lambs from the farmer who wants lamb chops for his dinner =x

Sounds to me like you're cussing...

Yup, not only that but he's using a brittish word (which rhymes with banker), when he's american...and he has no right to use such a cool word :grrr:

Originally posted by zell12
Seems like Brad needs a lesson or two in, "not being a jackass and getting banned again."

Needs one, yes. Should he get one? No. We should continue our mission codenamed "Operation Smackbradtohellwithasuperbanhammerwith454985984IWD sonitblessedtojesus+434343498".

[gravator]

Here's what needs to happen folks......Lay off the sugar coated chocolate crunchies or whatever your on....You freak me out...

[Monkeyboy_McGee]

Originally posted by gravator
Here's what needs to happen folks......Lay off the sugar coated chocolate crunchies or whatever your on....You freak me out...

They're called scooby snacks, dude...