sexual harassment and general lack of respect

Heiwaronsha · #1 06-24-2003, 04:23 AM

see subject..

it's abundant on gk and the sexual harassment is awful ..

and guys are bad towards each other too, they are always insulting each other and it's just not nice.

i don't understand why nothing is done about any of this ..

i'm getting ready to quit, it really takes away from the fun of the game ..

protagonist · #2 06-24-2003, 04:25 AM

Be objective, just ignore the *******s and play with the nice people. I hate people that do those kind of things, don't get me wrong. If people did that to someone I know in real life I'd have their knees broken, and I mean it. But on a game it's harder to do that, so just don't talk to them or acknowledge them.

Heiwaronsha · #3 06-24-2003, 04:28 AM

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Originally posted by protagonist
Be objective, just ignore the *******s and play with the nice people. I hate people that do those kind of things, don't get me wrong. If people did that to someone I know in real life I'd have their knees broken, and I mean it. But on a game it's harder to do that, so just don't talk to them or acknowledge them.

i know that, but it's really difficult to ignore them when it's every other step that it happens.

and if i do one little thing i get called a "hoe" or a "*****" and .. ugh ..

protagonist · #4 06-24-2003, 04:31 AM

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Originally posted by Heiwaronsha

i know that, but it's really difficult to ignore them when it's every other step that it happens.

and if i do one little thing i get called a "hoe" or a "*****" and .. ugh ..

Then make fun of them like crazy. I'm serious, check their profile and see what their name is, look at their player name, don't hold back. Make fun of everything, even if you don't mean it. If you have to make a hard stand to get people to stop mouthing off to you, then do it. Or just IM me and I'll take care of them.

zell12 · #5 06-24-2003, 04:54 AM

They you bring yourself as low as them. And now you are showing sympathy for her, and you basically tell me that I am nuts when I complained about this. You got some issues.

The sexual harassment is a big issue, and Tyhm and whomever else that will be the Admins on GK better put a stop to it.

protagonist · #6 06-24-2003, 04:57 AM

That is because she is getting called more offensive things than "***". If it were just "***" I wouldn't sympathize.

Kaimetsu · #7 06-24-2003, 05:05 AM

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Originally posted by protagonist
If people did that to someone I know in real life I'd have their knees broken, and I mean it.

That doesn't sound like the Christian thing to do.

Anyway: The world is full of idiots, and the internet encourages people to release their inner *****. These kinds of people always have been and always will be here.

protagonist · #8 06-24-2003, 05:13 AM

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu

That doesn't sound like the Christian thing to do.

I'm far from peace loving. My logic is that peace is only good if everyone can enjoy it. If I have to dirty my hands to get rid of people that do stuff like that, then by all means I will.

In addition, morals and faith are very seperate matters, for me anyway. I believe that religion is a good start for morals, and I do believe in God and Jesus Christ. However, I do not limit my morals so much by my religious beliefs as by what has always been my sense of what is right and what is wrong. I haven't always been Christian, I was about 7 or 8 when I asked my mom if she would take me to church. Many of my morals were planted before becoming a Christian. Obviously I don't believe that you require religion to be moral, but I think it can be a good guide for them when needed.

zell12 · #9 06-24-2003, 05:18 AM

I believe that you are part of the problem if you want to go bustn' peoples knee's. Besides which, being called a *** is as bad as a ***** or a hoe.

protagonist · #10 06-24-2003, 05:22 AM

In fact, I found this incredibly amusing as it's timing was impeccable. I don't particularly care about it, and I'd rather Denori be banned for scamming then for saying anything derogatory to me. The fact is however that it insighted neither anger nor a craving for vengeance, just the irony that such a thing would happen when all these threads were popping up.

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Originally posted by zell12
I believe that you are part of the problem if you want to go bustn' peoples knee's. Besides which, being called a *** is as bad as a ***** or a hoe.

No, it's not part of the problem to remove the problem.

[EDIT]No, MS Paint was not used to edit the thing, I had to paste it somewhere and then convert it.[/EDIT]

DenoriZakarum · #11 06-24-2003, 05:26 AM

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Originally posted by protagonist
In fact, I found this incredibly amusing as it's timing was impeccable. I don't particularly care about it, and I'd rather Denori be banned for scamming then for saying anything derogatory to me. The fact is however that it insighted neither anger nor a craving for vengeance, just the irony that such a thing would happen when all these threads were popping up.

No, it's not part of the problem to remove the problem.

[EDIT]No, MS Paint was not used to edit the thing, I had to paste it somewhere and then convert it.[/EDIT]

then after that i said j/k dude *huggles*

Main Entry: 1***
1:To work hard, adj
2:someone who works hard; adj

so i was saying i dont hug hard workers

zell12 · #12 06-24-2003, 05:26 AM

Oh no, he called you a ***, but thats not importiant and he shouldn't be banned.

TripleE · #13 06-24-2003, 05:29 AM

Well anyone who is being bugged can hang out with me. Im friendly to everyone.

protagonist · #14 06-24-2003, 05:30 AM

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Originally posted by zell12
Oh no, he called you a ***, but thats not importiant and he shouldn't be banned.

No, it isn't important, and I already said he shouldn't be banned for it because I could care less. And he did say j/k afterwards, I think. This despite the fact that I don't like him at all and nothing would give me more joy to see him banned, I'd rather see it for something that actually matters.

zell12 · #15 06-24-2003, 05:34 AM

Fact still remains that these sort of comments are not allowed.

protagonist · #16 06-24-2003, 05:35 AM

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Originally posted by zell12
Fact still remains that these sort of comments are not allowed.

No, but I think it's a bit silly to take them personally and get emotional about them, they are only small dots of light on a sheet of glass.

zell12 · #17 06-24-2003, 05:36 AM

Wipe the glass clean and see clearly once again.

protagonist · #18 06-24-2003, 05:39 AM

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Originally posted by zell12
Wipe the glass clean and see clearly once again.

What?

zell12 · #19 06-24-2003, 05:43 AM

Think hard and try to think what it means...

Didn't get it yet? Didn't think so:

If you get rid of all the people causing the problems, then you won't have any left, am I right?

protagonist · #20 06-24-2003, 05:45 AM

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Originally posted by zell12

Think hard and try to think what it means...

Oh I know what it means, it just doesn't make sense.

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Originally posted by zell12

If you get rid of all the people causing the problems, then you won't have any left, am I right?

Yes, but this is a game. Most of the time people are "just kidding", and even so it is infinitely easier to get away from people on a game than in real life.

zell12 · #21 06-24-2003, 05:46 AM

Yes, I see that, but if you warn them, they won't do it again.

protagonist · #22 06-24-2003, 05:48 AM

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Originally posted by zell12
Yes, I see that, but if you warn them, they won't do it again.

That depends strongly on the person.

zell12 · #23 06-24-2003, 05:51 AM

It does in private. If you called someone a hoe, and they took that as sexual harassment, then they could just tell the Admins, and it would be delt with. (There will soon be an Admin team on GK)

MarkB · #24 06-24-2003, 06:11 AM

Wow...False acusations my friends...

She held an event the other day, it was lvl 20 and below. I just restarted so I was lvl 19 by then, I said, "Hell, I will enter the event"

Everyone loses to her but me and denori because she lames with laggy spells. I pwn her with my hammer, and i say Ok, me and denori then right?

She proceeds by calling me names such as "oh what a *****ic idiot" "all guys are like this" or something of the sense...

Is it just me or does that seem to be a sexist stereotyping? Heh, it sure does to me. So because of the fact that I beat her, I am a *****ic idiot. Then she has the nerve to come post about people on the forums for doing the same thing she has just done?

I am not one of the people who called her a hoe or a ***** or whatever she said, that isnt my style and i dont roll that way. I just dont think posting about something she does is right, oh well

DenoriZakarum · #25 06-24-2003, 06:12 AM

stuff like this should be banned, its selzar, AGAIN:

MarkB · #26 06-24-2003, 06:16 AM

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Originally posted by DenoriZakarum
stuff like this should be banned, its selzar, AGAIN:

what exactly did he get banned for?

DenoriZakarum · #27 06-24-2003, 06:17 AM

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Originally posted by MarkB

what exactly did he get banned for?

i tihnk for stuff like harrassment and stuff but im not sure

Heiwaronsha · #28 06-24-2003, 06:20 AM

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Originally posted by MarkB
Wow...False acusations my friends...

She held an event the other day, it was lvl 20 and below. I just restarted so I was lvl 19 by then, I said, "Hell, I will enter the event"

Everyone loses to her but me and denori because she lames with laggy spells. I pwn her with my hammer, and i say Ok, me and denori then right?

She proceeds by calling me names such as "oh what a *****ic idiot" "all guys are like this" or something of the sense...

Is it just me or does that seem to be a sexist stereotyping? Heh, it sure does to me. So because of the fact that I beat her, I am a *****ic idiot. Then she has the nerve to come post about people on the forums for doing the same thing she has just done?

I am not one of the people who called her a hoe or a ***** or whatever she said, that isnt my style and i dont roll that way. I just dont think posting about something she does is right, oh well

I was in a *****y mood, and ugh .. I thought we worked that out -.-

I just didn't think you or Denori had very good manners..

I decided to keep the ring in the end anyway ..

sorry if I offended you. =\

MarkB · #29 06-24-2003, 06:21 AM

he should be banned, he is one of the biggest scammers and plus from what i hear he is only 12, he sure acts like he is so i wouldnt doubt it

zell12 · #30 06-24-2003, 06:24 AM

Hey was banned for massing about his MMORPG

DenoriZakarum · #31 06-24-2003, 06:24 AM

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Originally posted by MarkB
he should be banned, he is one of the biggest scammers and plus from what i hear he is only 12, he sure acts like he is so i wouldnt doubt it

he is, me and him were talking on AIM when we used to be friends and his voice hadnt changed yet and he sounded real little

MarkB · #32 06-24-2003, 06:25 AM

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Originally posted by Heiwaronsha

I was in a *****y mood, and ugh .. I thought we worked that out -.-

I just didn't think you or Denori had very good manners..

I decided to keep the ring in the end anyway ..

sorry if I offended you. =\

Ok wow, make some sense here girl...you get offended when someone calls you a *****, yet you just said you were in a *****y mood, oxy*****ic?

and about us working it out, we did, until you posted this to complain. how can you accuse someone of such a serious ordeal that you yourself have done? the ring isnt even the issue, i use two RoWs, I was going for the RoC for a weaker friend...yet I am a selfish *****ic idiot, or whatever the hell you called me? do you relize that this post absolulty makes no sense to me and I do not feel for you at all?

Now see, if you wouldnt have made yourself look completly ignorant yesterday I might have put a little bit of tlc in this post.

zell12 · #33 06-24-2003, 06:33 AM

Anu is loaning me his Row, eh? >:]

MarkB · #34 06-24-2003, 07:03 AM

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Anu is loaning me his Row, eh? >:]

yea, you can have my hammer too

ariella · #35 06-24-2003, 07:53 AM

Reading these post sure brought back memories of how hard it was to play this game as a female. Since I'm playing at a higher level its not as bad as it use to be. But the sexual harrassment against females in kingdoms is a serious matter. When I first started this game and didnt know many people, everywhere I went, to a store, the dungeon, there would always be a guy jumping me from the back asking me "If it feels good" or "Yea Sl==t take it all in" while all his friends stood around laughing. Stupid stuff and yes I ignored it for awhile. Even when they'd corner me for a "**** gang bang" then I'd get cornered into a monster, die and lose experience, stats and items (those days u lost stats) after awhile I started fighting back and even swear back (and i rarely swear IRL) I almost quit, but i figured I paid to play like everyone else and I wasn't going to be bullied out. Every once in a while you run into people who steal from you, try to steal from you.... then call u sl..t..hoe...bi...ch. Then go on a Pking rampage.. because they can. And it does get frustrating. Ignoring it doesnt help, fighting back doesnt help.

What helps is when everyone who is tired of this kind of behavior sticks together and holds rude players accountable for their behavior. Stefan and Unixmad can't ban them all, bottom line is they can just come in on another account under a different user name and start the harrassment all over again. I say that players need to stand up and defend eachother against these kinds of players... then maybe they'll stop. A scammer cant scam if NO ONE will trade with him/her. A rude player isnt heard if EVERYONE doesnt listen. Sexual harrasment by a player isnt funny if NO ONE laughs.

FIRST LADY Razelle Archigos, Zormite Republic

Kaimetsu · #36 06-24-2003, 08:52 AM

Banning isn't the solution. Training is better. A person swears too much or harrasses people? Render his character unable to speak for a few hours of gametime. Somebody likes to grab players in lewd ways? Flag his account such that he's viewed as a pink rabbit, again for a few hours. In-game punishments are the best way to deter people without making them want to quit or excluding them altogether.

MarkB · #37 06-24-2003, 09:45 AM

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu
Banning isn't the solution. Training is better. A person swears too much or harrasses people? Render his character unable to speak for a few hours of gametime. Somebody likes to grab players in lewd ways? Flag his account such that he's viewed as a pink rabbit, again for a few hours. In-game punishments are the best way to deter people without making them want to quit or excluding them altogether.

Honestly I dont think that would solve it, the maturity level is much too low and that would be considered funny, and be suseptable for a rofl or a lmao. Lol, that woudnt be the greatest thing. People become addicted to this game even though it is sad. Just keep them away from the game for a while.

Kaimetsu · #38 06-24-2003, 09:56 AM

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Originally posted by MarkB
Honestly I dont think that would solve it, the maturity level is much too low and that would be considered funny, and be suseptable for a rofl or a lmao.

At first, perhaps. But then they realise that they can't attack or cast spells while in bunny form (I guess it could also be a punishment for harrassment by PKing).

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People become addicted to this game even though it is sad. Just keep them away from the game for a while.

If you keep them away then you break the addiction, and thus lose a player. Better to tame an unruly player than to cut him out completely.

Myomoto · #39 06-24-2003, 11:37 AM

Life is rude, then you die! :o Get used to it... The humans are evil, we kill, we insault and we steal (from) eachother, that's life as a human... Run over or get runned over

DragonX · #40 06-24-2003, 01:50 PM

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Run over or get runned over

Or just dodge the car and not sit in the driver's seat!

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