Payment Plans

[xXziroXx]

Currently Graal only offer players to upgrade their accounts months and months at a time. These are the available packages, all packages gives you gelats and can be used for x amount of months:

• 8 months for 24€ ($33.7), aka 3€ ($4.2) a month.
• 12 months for 36€ ($50.5), aka 3€ ($4.2) a month.
• 18 months for 48€ ($67.4), aka 2.6€ ($3.7) a month.
• 24 months for 64€ ($89.8), aka 2.6€ ($3.7) a month.

First of all, I don't understand why the 12 month package isn't cheaper per month than the 8 month one, and the 24 month one not being cheaper than the 18 month one. That's a story for another day though.

What I'd like to suggest is that you add payment options for 1, 3 and 5 months. The majority of new players to Graal will not want to buy an account for 8 months before they've gotten into the game, no matter how cheap. If they were able to just get a month, play and see for themself if they like it or not, they are a lot more likely to upgrade to a bigger package next time.

People like me and any other active "oldbie" might get the bigger ones, but we already know what we're paying for.


So folks, including Stefan, what's your thoughts on this?

[Rufus]

I think they're scrapping the monthly payments when v6 comes out and replacing it with server cash shops.

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by Rufus

I think they're scrapping the monthly payments when v6 comes out and replacing it with server cash shops.

I remember reading something about that somewhere, and that would be awesome if it were to happen. I still think this deserves attention in the present though, v6 might be months away and new players won't wait until then before they decide to either upgrade or leave.

[Admins]

The 36 euro option is giving 'more than 12 months', it's 13 1/3 months to be exact if you don't buy separate available in-game items (the 48 euro option gives 18 2/3 months, the 64 euro option 26 2/3).
Part of the reason why we don't offer cheaper credit card options is that the credit card fees and transaction cancelation fees make it less profitable.

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by Stefan

The 36 euro option is giving 'more than 12 months', it's 13 1/3 months to be exact if you don't buy separate available in-game items (the 48 euro option gives 18 2/3 months, the 64 euro option 26 2/3).
Part of the reason why we don't offer cheaper credit card options is that the credit card fees and transaction cancelation fees make it less profitable.

That makes sense but haven't you figured it out from iPhone the smaller payment choices will make people think "Oh I have so and so bucks, Why the f**k not?" but when they see these its like "Oh sh*t, I'm going to be basically be making a commitment here... I may not, games not that great anyway."

In short, Smaller choices and intervals will probably actually profit Better if you do it right.

[Geno]

i like the idea of free play with cash shops.
seems more profitable by a long run and for some reason it just sounds evil and awesome.

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by Geno

i like the idea of free play with cash shops.
seems more profitable by a long run and for some reason it just sounds evil and awesome.

[Zexon]

Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

Tell me they arent making more money then most ....

[WaDaFack]

Originally Posted by Geno

i like the idea of free play with cash shops.
seems more profitable by a long run and for some reason it just sounds evil and awesome.

are people still going to be known as Graal#'s? :o

[Luda]

Originally Posted by WaDaFack

are people still going to be known as Graal#'s? :o

I hope not

[TSAdmin]

Originally Posted by WaDaFack

are people still going to be known as Graal#'s? :o

The two topics are unrelated, so it's unlikely to change just because of a change in payment plans.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by TSAdmin

The two topics are unrelated, so it's unlikely to change just because of a change in payment plans.

No they aren't. l2p

[TSAdmin]

Originally Posted by Crono

No they aren't. l2p

They're loosely related at best, but the point still stands that the Graal#'s are highly unlikely to be changed/removed at the change of a payment method.

[defaultaccount]

Originally Posted by Geno

i like the idea of free play with cash shops.
seems more profitable by a long run and for some reason it just sounds evil and awesome.

what about being able to use graal$ to buy a gun or sword, also having a much larger cash shop.. I'm not really sure of how much of an 'economic impact' many of the servers would have, but I'm sure there is some sort of a middle ground with it..

i'd think f2p shouldn't be an option, but classic servers shouldn't be changed.
unless they Have to change. . . The Classic / gold is a good thing though, especially with the development servers. That being said can't see how alot of the people who have grown up on this, or played it for more than 5 years are strictly against paying a few dollars to support the servers and further Development of Graal..

i can see y if u have a classic account. idk not really @ all though

Originally Posted by MrAnonymous_P2P

Pardon me if I'm wrong, but I paid $50 for my account 8 years ago under the assumption that I would have a classic subscription for life. And if I am mistaken I bought my account under those terms.

Wouldn't it be illegal in some sense to revoke that?

that's the attitude bra. I don't think the player count has anything to do with the payment plans. And Or, wouldn't. There is only a lag of quality in some of the servers. My opinion is hypocritical because I can't explain why Zone has empty days at all. Being free game for so long and developing tendency of a 'open community ->staff economic flux' we'll say, so no one would like the idea of change or the idea 'professionalism' brought to most of the servers, anyone playing wouldn't really want that or consider it 'boring'. .

Things have been this way for a very long time, while its fun while it lasts, people know change is long overdue. That the game: graal, Deserves Change. so

i'm not saying everyone should be paying $ to play the game they love. Well I Am saying that. but what i'm really trying to say is idk why graal didn't blow up yet considering it's one of the 'Best Games' i've ever played, i'm sure most of the frequent players could concur ;]. More players to develop more servers more servers to develop more players. beget, beget, beget. I feel like Graal is at a tipping point and tuff decisions need to be made either way so I hope I don't cloud no ones judgment. I'm just trying to toss my 2 C at it u know.

[kia345]

Cash shops are synonymous with every "free Korean MMO" ever. Once you delve into the cash shop market, be aware of who you're competing with and where you stand.

[Cloven]

Originally Posted by kia345

Cash shops are synonymous with every "free Korean MMO" ever. Once you delve into the cash shop market, be aware of who you're competing with and where you stand.

And the vast majority of these games you're referring to eventually wind up as games where only those who spend like hell, or, cheat like hell are able to have an enjoyable experience. Hopefully neither of those two pitfalls come to pass.

[Admins]

Well it's working fine on GraalOnline Classic on iPhone

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by Stefan

Well it's working fine on GraalOnline Classic on iPhone

So do you plan on changing the whole payment system once v6 is released then?

[12171217]

Whatever happens, Classic users better stay classy.

[ff7chocoboknight]

Originally Posted by 12171217

Whatever happens, Classic users better stay classy.

A lot of people will leave Graal if they don't.

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by ff7chocoboknight

A lot of people will leave Graal if they don't.

yep

[Googi]

Originally Posted by 12171217

Whatever happens, Classic users better stay classy.

From what it sounds like, trials are going to be promoted to being classic.

[Bubble13]

Originally Posted by Googi

From what it sounds like, trials are going to be promoted to being classic.

That's not right.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by Bubble13

That's not right.

There isn't really a way around it if they're going to get rid of the subscription system altogether.

[Bubble13]

Originally Posted by Googi

There isn't really a way around it if they're going to get rid of the subscription system altogether.

Then what happens to those of us that have a Gold subscription?

[Kappa00p2p]

Originally Posted by Googi

From what it sounds like, trials are going to be promoted to being classic.

If this is all true, I would actively start playing again because the playercount would spike so much. I could bring some friends along with me, too.

[Dnegel]

Originally Posted by Kappa00p2p

If this is all true, I would actively start playing again because the playercount would spike so much. I could bring some friends along with me, too.

this^

[kia345]

Originally Posted by 12171217

Whatever happens, Classic users better stay classy.

I am forever worried that the current Lifetime Classic status will be removed/invalidated somehow.

[TSAdmin]

Originally Posted by kia345

I am forever worried that the current Lifetime Classic status will be removed/invalidated somehow.

In a way, you're right to be worried about this. Since it is a service no longer provided by the company, they're well within their rights to give notice that they'll all be removed. However, it's been quite a long time since VIP and Classic Subscription were discontinued and yet they remain in play with something as simple as "If you want your e-mail address changed, and you're not currently upgraded to Gold, you will lose it" being the only thing cutting your chances of keeping it, and even then there is that leeway of "and not currently upgraded to Gold" which is quite simple to get around.

All considered, I don't think there are any plans of doing a GraalOnline-wide removal of the subscription. If that were the plan, they'd have done it already. Compared to the Graal#### community, the Classic Subscription community is becoming a minority, slowly but surely. Though, not outnumbered by them yet, it is heading that way. No sense to be kicking the last of us in the gut years down the track with "We decided, it's time..."

[Rave_J]

all i know is if my lifetime classic account membership goes bye bye. then i doubt i play. I think they should do 3 bucks a month an 5 for gold a month simple as that

[xXziroXx]

Guys, seriously, I don't get how you can't see how awesome Graal# accounts together with community names are.


First of all, Graal is a platform that hosts several games on it. On each and every game, your data is stored locally. In the old system, if you wanted to change your account name, your data on all servers would be gone since the local files still have your old account. Even if Stefan somehow could change all of that, each and every server also stores data on a loooot of things based on your account name. That would be gone too.

With Graal# accounts and community name, servers can still store data based on account name, but if you were to get your community name changed (think of community name as display name, it's the only thing other players should get exposed to and not your account name) all of that data would remain. Easy peasy.


Really, the new system is awesome, it's just a shame that scripters aren't adjusting too it (which is something that the PWA should enforce).

[TSAdmin]

Originally Posted by xXziroXx

Really, the new system is awesome, it's just a shame that scripters aren't adjusting too it (which is something that the Former Global Scripting Team should enforce).

Fixed. There's no way the PWA can enforce this. We've no developmental access in our global rights, much less NPC-Control and at least have "Read" access to scripts to give them a once-over.

Note: I put "Former" in there because Skyld got liquidated into the PWA.

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by TSAdmin

Fixed. There's no way the PWA can enforce this. We've no developmental access in our global rights, much less NPC-Control and at least have "Read" access to scripts to give them a once-over.

Note: I put "Former" in there because Skyld got liquidated into the PWA.

You don't have to script stuff yourself to force servers, especially Classic ones, to change the way their stuff works. And I do believe that falls on your turf.

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

and Stefan in some cases where the client and RC are concerned.

Well, yeah, but still.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by xXziroXx

You don't have to script stuff yourself to force servers, especially Classic ones, to change the way their stuff works. And I do believe that falls on your turf.

I agree.

[TSAdmin]

Originally Posted by xXziroXx

You don't have to script stuff yourself to force servers, especially Classic ones, to change the way their stuff works. And I do believe that falls on your turf.

Originally Posted by Rufus

I agree.

Although, not being able to check means we cannot confirm whether or not there is any need to enforce it... Dun dun dunnnn... The plot thickens!

[fowlplay4]

Originally Posted by xXziroXx

Really, the new system is awesome, it's just a shame that scripters aren't adjusting too it (which is something that the PWA should enforce).

and Stefan in some cases where the client and RC are concerned.

[Geno]

i need to open some cash shops throughout the world of graal iphone.

i'll split the profits 10%-90%. thats right i only want ten percent.

[fowlplay4]

Originally Posted by Geno

i need to open some cash shops throughout the world of graal iphone.

i'll split the profits 10%-90%. thats right i only want ten percent.

I wish I got a portion of Zodiac's 690k gelat sales...

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

I wish I got a portion of Zodiac's 690k gelat sales...

In short that'd be about... 500-700 bucks tops?

[salesman]

Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

In short that'd be about... 500-700 bucks tops?

about $10,000 going off of the 2400 gelat pack...unless I failed at math