Online Editor or Traditional?

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by papajchris

Why only pick one? I use both. I use offline for major changes while I use online editor to say move a chair or bush. Use both, its more efficient!

Moving a chair or bush isn't really considered "level creation" though, it's simply small fixes. It's a good medium for its convenience, but it's hardly a full-fledged way to make levels from scratch.

I used to use my own little online level editor for quick fixes too, but be damned if I ever tried to make a level from scratch with it. You hardly have all the features/stability of the offline editor.

[DustyPorViva]

Lucky Gonstruct implemented gmaps before it went inactive again

Btw instead of worrying about plugins for Tiled or for the official editor, why not pick up the source of Gonstruct and work from there?

[Galdor]

I like to print out the tileset and cut and glue together parts on a piece of paper, it has a very traditional feel to it.

[Draenin]

With the files contained in the Github or whatever, would it be possible for other Graal developers to directly improve upon Gonstruct's functionality?

I notice you can open each file directly and look at its contents. Might be a good way to improve the editor when Ben and Fry don't have the time to devote to it.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Draenin

With the files contained in the Github or whatever, would it be possible for other Graal developers to directly improve upon Gonstruct's functionality?

I notice you can open each file directly and look at its contents. Might be a good way to improve the editor when Ben and Fry don't have the time to devote to it.

Anyone with knowledge in C++ could fork it, yes.

[Draenin]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

Anyone with knowledge in C++ could fork it, yes.

We should find some way to make this happen, then. Maybe open a thread for new feature suggestions and submissions or something? Just an idea.

I know we have the feedback thread, but so far it's just been Ben and Fry working on it. With more people pitching in, we might be able to really get the ball rolling and perhaps even get extra features put in by Stefan. (Still keeping my fingers crossed for terrain support. )

[Matt]

traditional

[ff7chocoboknight]

I'm going to neg rep you for double posting.

[Zexon]

Originally Posted by ff7chocoboknight

I'm going to neg rep you for double posting.

ima just neg rep you for the hell of it

[Emera]

Originally Posted by Zexon

ima just neg rep you for the hell of it

Pretty much what he does anyway.

[Fry]

There's obviously a bunch of problems with Gonstruct, but the main issue would be the terrible GTK+OpenGL widget it is using right now:

Basically there are two "working" GTK OpenGL widgets, gtkglarea and gtkglext. The latter is the one we tried first, since it is actively maintained and has C++ bindings available. Unfortunately quite a few people had problems with it on Windows, where it did not properly refresh the screen so the level display became unusable.

It took me ages to reproduce it on my system, but unfortunately I did not figure out the reason for it, so we gave gtkglarea a try. This ended up working relatively reliably on Windows and other systems, but that OpenGL widget sadly hasn't been maintained for a while and does not work with the most recent GTK version anymore (at least on Windows, Linux/Mac are fine as far as I remember).

The way to deal with that would probably be to give gtkglext another try, since it is the de-facto OpenGL widget for GTK and actively maintained. Maybe things are working now, or if not maybe it is possible to figure out the reason for the problems.

In retrospect we should probably have used Qt though. While GTK is much nicer to work with in setting up widgets and windows, even after all these years it still has very fragile cross-platform support.

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by Fry

In retrospect we should probably have used Qt though.

How could you.

[Crono]

let's keep this train goin in the right direction k?

[Admins]

Well the best would to do it directly in graal, and if there is stuff missing then it can be added

[ff7chocoboknight]

Originally Posted by Stefan

Well the best would to do it directly in graal, and if there is stuff missing then it can be added

It'd be best if it could be directly in Graal because you wouldn't have to do anything.