Reset GK?

[MasterNuke]

Come to think of it... We don't really have any items that scream out "Artifact"

[Torankusu]

Originally posted by MasterNuke
Come to think of it... We don't really have any items that scream out "Artifact"

???
I had an Artifact once.

(haha, yeah, I realize you mean "rare legitimate item with a story behind it about the person winning that item!")

[KyJe27]

Toran.. by chance is that the skull sword Rax won by killing the Demon Lord.... Before things started on their downward spiral.

[Torankusu]

Originally posted by KyJe27
Toran.. by chance is that the skull sword Rax won by killing the Demon Lord.... Before things started on their downward spiral.

He burnt that or he stored it somewhere. DX told me about it, but no, that is not my "artifact."

[konidias]

Originally posted by Torankusu
???
I had an Artifact once.

(haha, yeah, I realize you mean "rare legitimate item with a story behind it about the person winning that item!")

LoL, Kind of like my "omg super rare one of a kind war axe" I won in the first tourney ever held. Now there's what, like 10 of them out now?

I realise that Stefan is just trying to please everybody, because they are paying customers, and giving them what they want makes them happy temporarily. But as the old saying goes, "you can't please everybody". Everybody wants to be the uberhero of GK, but if you want the server to be even SOMEWHAT realistic and balanced, then there should only be about 2% of the playerbase that can be considered a "hero". Otherwise, being a hero is a commonplace thing, and holds no real value.

It's the same for rare items. I complained that the war axe was supposed to be ONE of a kind item. Meaning only one, EVER. But people just argued back with me saying it "wasn't fair" and "other people should have a chance to get them". That's ridiculous. Then it's not a rare item and you've totally screwed the game.

Also, the game is going to constantly have players wanting to level up, if that is what they are motivated to do. They are being motivated because everything on GK relies on your stats, which are numerical, and easy to find and read. This means that everyone is more concerned with making their numbers higher by gaining tons of experience, than just playing the game and doing other things. It would be totally possible to do an invisible stat system, where you don't see the stats you have, like strength, dex, pow, etc. The most you would see is what you see on the status display (hp, food, grace, whatever). This way, nobody knows exactly which items are the best, nobody knows exactly how strong they are, they can just give a general guess as to their level. As for weapons and stuff, well players would just experiment with different weapons to see which one seems to kill things easier than another one.

This is only one idea, it doesn't have to be done, and I'm sure it's much too big of a change for GK to make, as everyone is used to seeing their stats. But if you're going to have a visible stat system, at least find ways to attract the players to things other than leveling up. You could make trade skills that actually have a purpose (other than to "make stuff for the people that kill stuff"). You could make thievery from players work, you could make dying more of a risk, you could do so many things to improve GK, the list is really endless.

Just look at magic. Why can everyone use it if you have classes? I'm a warrior that is probably stronger in magic than I am in fighting. Does that make any sense? Why have all these powerful spells, with no real penalties for being a mage? Who wants to shoot arrows when you can shoot magic bullets? Who wants to swing a sword when you can summon a monster to fight for you? Get the picture? It has to BALANCE.

[Python523]

I agree with koni in the fact that there isn't enough administration on GK. For those who are saying 'bring koni and loriel back as EM, they made the best events', it is simple to see why, they actually had power, koni could edit levels on the main server at will, Loriel would edit mudaccounts at will, what does everyone else have? The same old boring stuff that are used every time, you can't expect anything new when there aren't materials to make new things with. In order to add new things, it has to go through the following process:

A.) Developer gets an idea (1/2 day we shall say)
B.) If the developer doesn't have enough rights on debug, they will have to ask stefan for rights to make it (lets say a day 1/2)
C.) Developer makes it (1 day)
D.) Developer asks stefan to look at it (1/2 day)
E.) Stefan looks at it and likes it (1/2 day)
F.) Stefan transfers it (1 day)

that is 5 days, it is extremelly hard to add something new. The only problem with having someone with REAL power on Graal Kingdoms is that Stefan and unixmad just don't trust people just as easily, and after James has done things like what he just got caught for, it will be even harder for them to trust someone. The only person who they would probably trust is Tyhm, since he is an official employee, but he has other things to do I believe, so now we are back at no administration.

[Torankusu]

jagen is trustable. He can do many things on GK yet he chooses not to do them without notifying Stefan first. I don't know what more there is to prove, but if Stefan/Unixmad don't want to trust people they give RC to then that's mostly their fault for the lack of administration, nothing anypme else can do.

[DevilsDice]

I agree with Koni once again..

I think I have seen my own ignorance by not wanting a reset, only thinking about the troubles I have been through yada yada...

However, the fact is, this game is not through enough. A barbarian should get a Damage bonus, when using a specialized weapon (( mostly Axe's and Hammers )) while a Warrior can be both proficient in spells, as well as using swords/polearms...

A sorcerer would be frail, but would be able to call upon the powers from the heavens, and of that from hell to strike down an oppponent, while a Priest would be able to Let Gods will smite the enemy...

Alchemists would be ingenious workers, making devious potions and sorts to kill their enemys, while Theives would sneak behind you, steal your gold, and slit your throat before you heard the unsheathing of his dagger...

THOSE are not from a book, or any ****... I'm jus bored...

Weapons:

I figure, each class should be limited... Priests and Sorcerors limited to light weapons, I.E. daggers, while Alchemists use Bow / Wand..

Theives would receive penaltys when using large weapons, (( axe hammer )), but would receive a damage bonus when using daggers (( backstab and aim )).

A warrior would receive a bonus when using Sword and Shield, but would remain in normal parameters of attack while using any other weapon.

A Barbarian would receive a negative while using small weapons or bow, but a large damage increatment when using a Heavy Weapon in two hands (( no shield )) and small bonus in 1 hand. No bonus applied while using Sword. They would be able to learn simple spells, minor healing, magic bullet, light wounds, and would receive a large INT negative while using higher level spells, allowing a higher chance of fumble...

Armors:

Sorcs,Priest,Alchemists,Theives all would receive a skill bonus (( unno, u figure it out if yall wanna make certain skills avalible )) when wearing a cloak, but would be weighed down quickly when wearing heavy armor..

A Warrior would receive no bonus, nor negative for wearing a heavy armor, or cloak...

A barbarian would NOT be able to wear armor, only cloaks or avaliable scale/leather armor... (( Barbarians find plated armor tabuu and scary leaving them unable to equip DESPITE diablos portrification of them wearing it ))

If yall need storyline help, =P I'd be more then glad to help

[wonderboysp2p]

didnt read any posts past the first page... reset kingdoms...

[gozen]

Originally posted by Torankusu
i was playing since day one too!
I just took off about 6 months in january. :P

same except 1 year not 6 monthes because my account expired.

I wouldn't mind being reset it is just I worked so hard on my house and, I don't won't to lose it. I mined all of it >.<

[MarkB]

Originally posted by konidias
<konis whole argument here>

i agree with koni...and usually have about his ideas for gk...and i really support him coming back as gold gm again...1 PERSON, not 2 like before...koni is trustworthy, on a lot, responsible and hardworking

what else can you want


((now koni gimme my money for saying that))
XD jk <3

[DragonX]

Originally posted by MarkB


i agree with koni...and usually have about his ideas for gk...and i really support him coming back as gold gm again...1 PERSON, not 2 like before...koni is trustworthy, on a lot, responsible and hardworking

what else can you want


((now koni gimme my money for saying that))
XD jk <3

He needs to finish Oasis. We don't need anything distracting him. If things become chaotic, we might have to bust out the leather whips and...

[MarkB]

:O
steer clear of bondage thanks


but yea, he needs to get oasis done, hehe, i anticipate its release

[konidias]

Originally posted by MarkB


i agree with koni...and usually have about his ideas for gk...and i really support him coming back as gold gm again...1 PERSON, not 2 like before...koni is trustworthy, on a lot, responsible and hardworking

what else can you want


((now koni gimme my money for saying that))
XD jk <3

More or likely I'll be banned for what I said. It's just not going to come together with only some developers and Stefan. There needs to be people that handle all this other stuff.

I just wish that Unixmad and Stefan (mainly Unixmad) would understand what I'm saying, and not take offense to it. This is why I quit as GM before, because Unixmad got extremely mad that I was telling him GK is going to fall apart. The fact of the matter is, with each official server that is made, there is one integral piece that is missing. That piece is, planning and balance.

Look at 2k1. It fell apart after a little over a year of running. Things got less fun, more expensive, and people started leaving. Same thing with GK, except to an even higher degree. All I'm saying, is that for being the only thing that a gold subscription has to offer, there should be a lot more planning and thought behind it.

[deman1171]

Originally posted by konidias


More or likely I'll be banned for what I said. It's just not going to come together with only some developers and Stefan. There needs to be people that handle all this other stuff.

I just wish that Unixmad and Stefan (mainly Unixmad) would understand what I'm saying, and not take offense to it. This is why I quit as GM before, because Unixmad got extremely mad that I was telling him GK is going to fall apart. The fact of the matter is, with each official server that is made, there is one integral piece that is missing. That piece is, planning and balance.

Look at 2k1. It fell apart after a little over a year of running. Things got less fun, more expensive, and people started leaving. Same thing with GK, except to an even higher degree. All I'm saying, is that for being the only thing that a gold subscription has to offer, there should be a lot more planning and thought behind it.

Exactly, but what i think is everyone needs to finish GK Make it more rp-friendly and fun then reset it and then release Oasis and see where it takes us.

[MarkB]

Originally posted by konidias


More or likely I'll be banned for what I said. It's just not going to come together with only some developers and Stefan. There needs to be people that handle all this other stuff.

I just wish that Unixmad and Stefan (mainly Unixmad) would understand what I'm saying, and not take offense to it. This is why I quit as GM before, because Unixmad got extremely mad that I was telling him GK is going to fall apart. The fact of the matter is, with each official server that is made, there is one integral piece that is missing. That piece is, planning and balance.

Look at 2k1. It fell apart after a little over a year of running. Things got less fun, more expensive, and people started leaving. Same thing with GK, except to an even higher degree. All I'm saying, is that for being the only thing that a gold subscription has to offer, there should be a lot more planning and thought behind it.

I really...REALLY support a restart and you coming back...i mean, it would give the old feel like before..and also would allow new players to start. Most of GKs bugs have been worked out..so there is no need for more testing...plus we have tyrials global bug finding team XD

[Torankusu]

Originally posted by MarkB
plus we have tyrials global bug finding team XD

rofl i laughed and crushed ice shot out of my nose that was funny.

[GoldSri]

the classes need sorted out and the alchemy "bugs" need to be removed or sorted......there is no use in a restart if people can still make loads of money and mess it up again

[Googi]

Sure, why not?

[Thallen]

Every major bug on GK seems to be fixed, people have gained high levels and items irregular ways, I see reset it. The people who vote no on this pole are most likely the people who have some great item or some huge level, gained an unfair way.

[GoZelda]

I voted no. I worked hard to get my not so great bit of power and might, my items and my levels. I don't wanna lose it over some stupid scammmers. See it like this:
If we don't reset, scammers/bug abusers keep running around, but will sometimes be dealt with.
If we reset, not only the scammers/abusers lose stuff, but everyone. That's a bit unfair, now, isn't it?

Also, if it is reset, one thing is sure:
almost everyone will be either barbarian or priest. Maybe sorcerors, too.
As i heard it was planned:
Get rid of all bugs
Get everything balanced and working
Create a new 2k2 server, and let the old one bleed to death, with only scammers etc. online.

And Thallen. Well, i voted no, but i'm lvl.17, nearly 18, and i don't have ownage items, k?

[DevilsDice]

Every major bug on GK seems to be fixed, people have gained high levels and items irregular ways, I see reset it. The people who vote no on this pole are most likely the people who have some great item or some huge level, gained an unfair way.

This goes to show JUST how ignorant you are. People like Sliq (drama queen I know) have worked hella hard to get their stuff...

Shobre has just reached level 40, and now your going to take that away?! He has done nothing but the right things to get to where he is... I watched him go through hundreds of immense maps to get that level... It would be unfair for any of you, despite DX, Toran, and anU, all having the same or better stuff as him supporting a reset...

I myself, dont have much... It would be exciting to be back in "old" style of mining hours on end to try to get 1 diamond and make a diamond blade / naginata...

I still dont believe it fair to some players...

Those are my thoughts...

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Has anyone noticed that most people who want a total reset give several reasons as to why a reset should be done, while most people who don't support a total reset, only respond to one problem of the reset (saying that the whole server shouldn't be reset simply because of 1 problem)? Or sometimes they say "just reset plat" or "just reset certain people". While the numbers may be close, you have to consider other things. For example, most of the people who don't want a reset don't seem to be very loyal Graal customers. I think the staff should care more for the loyal customers like us (the supporters of the reset), as we're the ones who pay yearly and don't threaten to leave for the smallest problem. It's not such a problem if those people leave. They're the kind of people that come and go. They WILL be replaced by other players, and the playercount on GK will be back up in no time (if it even suffers at all). The difference will be that GK will be more attractive to new players. At Graal's current state, I tell people that I wouldn't advise for anyone to pay for or rather play Graal unless you are a "Graal addict". In other words, if you've been playing Graal in the past for a while to see fun in it, it'll be hard to leave, but if you didn't go through that, it's unlikely you'd want to come. A reset, while not fixing everything, will make things better. While things should be fixed in addition to having a reset, having no reset won't make things any better.

Anyhow, I voted "yes" for the reset. There are so many problems that can be fixed with a reset. I hope a reset doesn't mean that all other problems are ignored though. There's still the problem of RPing. That's the one that will be affected the least by a reset.

[syltburk]

i voted yes, something tells me alot of the people that good the good items havnt earned them in a proper way,

but anyway, notice i didnt say all, but alot.


"Yes"

[Thallen]

Originally posted by GoZelda
I voted no. I worked hard to get my not so great bit of power and might, my items and my levels. I don't wanna lose it over some stupid scammmers. See it like this:
If we don't reset, scammers/bug abusers keep running around, but will sometimes be dealt with.
If we reset, not only the scammers/abusers lose stuff, but everyone. That's a bit unfair, now, isn't it?

Also, if it is reset, one thing is sure:
almost everyone will be either barbarian or priest. Maybe sorcerors, too.
As i heard it was planned:
Get rid of all bugs
Get everything balanced and working
Create a new 2k2 server, and let the old one bleed to death, with only scammers etc. online.

And Thallen. Well, i voted no, but i'm lvl.17, nearly 18, and i don't have ownage items, k?

[list=1][*]I won't be a barbarian, I'll be a warrior, as always. if you haven't noticed, some people follow roleplay storyline, rather than "OMGIWANTITEMZ."[*]I'm level 19, 30000 platinum coins, best armour, helmet, 2nd best bracers, and very good gloves, so be quiet.[/list=1]

[GoZelda]

I would choose Sorceror or Thief, 'cuz i'll be either a Mage of Thunder or a Masterthief =P

[graaliholic]

Originally posted by GoldSri
the classes need sorted out and the alchemy "bugs" need to be removed or sorted......there is no use in a restart if people can still make loads of money and mess it up again

They should just remove alchemy for about a week, get rid of all the recipes, and put in new ones. When/If new monsters and monster parts come out, just add more recipes. Then you don't see any recipes need "giant bat wing" or "chinese dragon steak"

[DevilsDice]

I'm level 19, 30000 platinum coins, best armour, helmet, 2nd best bracers, and very good gloves, so be quiet.

Let me get this straight...

You have PMoP
FHoM
Gold Bracers
Marks/Havoks
30k

...

Did I get it all??

[DevilsDice]

Then you don't see any recipes need "giant bat wing" or "chinese dragon steak"

hehe

Weirdest I found was

Receipe of Sword of Slay Ant

>.>

[TritanX]

I agree with konidias 110%

I vote yes for a reset, Classes should be special Just like devilsdice said.

I remember the good days the alpha server WAS FUNN

I loved having snowball fights with my friends, i remember the first time i saw it I think konidias/loriel were having a bow fight with someone else. I loved it.

I remember a quest was getting uploaded, like a spider has taken the captain of a ship. You need to rescue him so you can leave the island. Yes those were the days, but then stefan turned it evil With stats... and super items..

I loved being a **** then what I became.
and yes there should be ONE OF A KIND things. even if people say its "unfair" it should be that way. I mean it won't be powerful or something unless there is like 1. 2 is too many.

When I heard stefan was releasing quests, I thought they would be fun. But when I found out it was for stat potions. I got quite dissapointed. I would return to kingdoms IF there was a reset, and most bugs fixed.

All alchemy items (all the current ones) either disabled or deleted.
Like what is the point of buying the recipe if you need something like Lightning para elemental residue, hillbillys heart, light angel head e.e...

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally posted by TritanX
I agree with konidias 110%

I vote yes for a reset, Classes should be special Just like devilsdice said.

I remember the good days the alpha server WAS FUNN

I loved having snowball fights with my friends, i remember the first time i saw it I think konidias/loriel were having a bow fight with someone else. I loved it.

I remember a quest was getting uploaded, like a spider has taken the captain of a ship. You need to rescue him so you can leave the island. Yes those were the days, but then stefan turned it evil With stats... and super items..

I loved being a **** then what I became.
and yes there should be ONE OF A KIND things. even if people say its "unfair" it should be that way. I mean it won't be powerful or something unless there is like 1. 2 is too many.

When I heard stefan was releasing quests, I thought they would be fun. But when I found out it was for stat potions. I got quite dissapointed. I would return to kingdoms IF there was a reset, and most bugs fixed.

All alchemy items (all the current ones) either disabled or deleted.
Like what is the point of buying the recipe if you need something like Lightning para elemental residue, hillbillys heart, light angel head e.e...

LoL...hillbillys heart? Anyhow, that all sounds fun- having real fun on GK instead of it being all about leveling and gaining items (then it's not even an RPG anymore, but it's more like that other "R" word that was/is filtered from the forums here).

[GoZelda]

Originally posted by TritanX
<tritan's stuff aboout 2k2 being fun =o>

Well, before i played 2k2, when i looked at screenshots, i thought
=o, how fun and nice it looks, i wanna play!
And when i started playing, it was with ther highest level lvl.16. Now, those days were fun. I mean, no one was uber strong. Then the maps came, highest level 30. And then it went downfall...

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally posted by GoZelda

Well, before i played 2k2, when i looked at screenshots, i thought
=o, how fun and nice it looks, i wanna play!
And when i started playing, it was with ther highest level lvl.16. Now, those days were fun. I mean, no one was uber strong. Then the maps came, highest level 30. And then it went downfall...

Yes, so let there be a reset! And a new kind of reset too...Take things off the world map again, and re-add them like they've just been made as time goes by And don't re-add things that shouldn't have been added. It's like a second chance! It would be cool if you go for like a month with everyone having to stay on start island. This would mean the best melee weapon would be a dagger, the best shield would be a samurai shield, and maybe start island could be changed around too

[Vixin]

Whoa 8 pages! *won't read them all* Uhm... In my oppinion there should NOT be a reset, at least not yet, things are still unbalenced and stuff... However, I fully support a reset in the future, JUST NOT NOW, they're still doing things, ALOT of things in the server, items, bugs, alchemy...

There shouldn't be a reset till the staff and kings return with their gifts... But alas, then still a reset would be impossable, who would be king? Everyone would be broke, and level one, RP and kingdoms would come to a SUDDEN end whilst EVERYBODY mines, and fights, and levels, and does mmorpg things...

Reset good, but NOT IF DONE POORLY!

... Ehm, and thiefs need a cha PLUS, not minus, heh, just a thought.

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally posted by Vixin
Whoa 8 pages! *won't read them all* Uhm... In my oppinion there should NOT be a reset, at least not yet, things are still unbalenced and stuff... However, I fully support a reset in the future, JUST NOT NOW, they're still doing things, ALOT of things in the server, items, bugs, alchemy...

There shouldn't be a reset till the staff and kings return with their gifts... But alas, then still a reset would be impossable, who would be king? Everyone would be broke, and level one, RP and kingdoms would come to a SUDDEN end whilst EVERYBODY mines, and fights, and levels, and does mmorpg things...

Reset good, but NOT IF DONE POORLY!

... Ehm, and thiefs need a cha PLUS, not minus, heh, just a thought.

A reset would fix lots of balancing issues including ones caused by alchemy. Multiple resets are going to be needed to make a game like GK work out. Accept it.

[GoZelda]

Originally posted by Ziro_Vitrudestec


Yes, so let there be a reset! And a new kind of reset too...Take things off the world map again, and re-add them like they've just been made as time goes by And don't re-add things that shouldn't have been added. It's like a second chance! It would be cool if you go for like a month with everyone having to stay on start island. This would mean the best melee weapon would be a dagger, the best shield would be a samurai shield, and maybe start island could be changed around too

Lol yeah, and then everyone would abuse the scroll to go to the only leveling place, and get level 10 on mushrooms, and mages can't get any crappy spell =o

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally posted by GoZelda

Lol yeah, and then everyone would abuse the scroll to go to the only leveling place, and get level 10 on mushrooms, and mages can't get any crappy spell =o

What scroll? And maybe start island should be changed somewhat. And then only RPers should be allowed to the main land (after all, GK was supposed to be an RPing game ).

[LegendaryAzreil]

i dont think there should be a reset
i watched my brother play on his new account and he got stuff pretty fast
hes lvl10, has 10k+ plat, 2 rof, 2 rot, bomy helm+2, sam shield+2, lucky boots+2, ammy of sustenance, blood sabre of bile+2, diamond blade of govanno+4, ebony bow of govannon+4, 30 diamonds, couple of ea and iwds, and some other stuff

granted its not the best stuff, but he got it all in 30 hours of onlinetime with about 30 more hell have even better stuff

which shows anyone can get ok stuff, they just have to be persistant

[graaliholic]

Originally posted by GoZelda

Lol yeah, and then everyone would abuse the scroll to go to the only leveling place, and get level 10 on mushrooms, and mages can't get any crappy spell =o

A mage would just have to start with icestorm :P

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally posted by LegendaryAzreil
i dont think there should be a reset
i watched my brother play on his new account and he got stuff pretty fast
hes lvl10, has 10k+ plat, 2 rof, 2 rot, bomy helm+2, sam shield+2, lucky boots+2, ammy of sustenance, blood sabre of bile+2, diamond blade of govanno+4, ebony bow of govannon+4, 30 diamonds, couple of ea and iwds, and some other stuff

granted its not the best stuff, but he got it all in 30 hours of onlinetime with about 30 more hell have even better stuff

which shows anyone can get ok stuff, they just have to be persistant

Well, those are all good items, but the thing is....Even if he sells it all, that won't ensure that he would get an armour that does more good than bad, or a nice helmet that has no image to it.