Reset GK? - Page 2

Kaimetsu · #41 08-23-2003, 02:49 AM

Tseng is entitled to cast aspersions on Torankusu's motives. It's not bias, it's justifiable distaste.

Torankusu · #42 08-23-2003, 02:51 AM

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu
Tseng is entitled to cast aspersions on Torankusu's motives. It's not bias, it's justifiable distaste.

And explain to me why I was the only one of anU, DX, and the others that agreed.

Kaimetsu · #43 08-23-2003, 02:52 AM

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Originally posted by Torankusu
And explain to me why I was the only one of anU, DX, and the others that agreed.

Agreed to what? You're not making sense.

Torankusu · #44 08-23-2003, 02:55 AM

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu

Agreed to what? You're not making sense.

Agreed that a reset would be helpful.

I don't want an immediate reset, I think a lot of things (debugging, etc) should be worked out, and then a complete reset.

UNPTWOPWINNER · #45 08-23-2003, 02:56 AM

I would only agree to a reset if it was the only possible way to restore the economy.

Last I heard, anyone that abused that potion of life trick is being punished. The items unbalancing the economy are being found.

How about give things time, wait it out some, and see if it cleans up. You can't fix an economy in one day.

A reset just like that is too extreme.

Torankusu · #46 08-23-2003, 02:58 AM

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Originally posted by UNPTWOPWINNER
I would only agree to a reset if it was the only possible way to restore the economy.

Last I heard, anyone that abused that potion of life trick is being punished. The items unbalancing the economy are being found.

How about give things time, wait it out some, and see if it cleans up. You can't fix an economy in one day.

A reset just like that is too extreme.

Nobody has been punished yet and I don't think Jagen intends on doing it unless they do it after he mass-warned everyone.

MarkB · #47 08-23-2003, 02:59 AM

probably because we have a better name(no offense) but i mean...after that cc crap people really got pissed at you

Kaimetsu · #48 08-23-2003, 03:01 AM

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Originally posted by Torankusu
Agreed that a reset would be helpful.

1) Of those people, you weren't the only one who expressed the opinion that a reset would be helpful.
2) The expression of that opinion can't logically be referred to as agreement, since you'd need to be agreeing with yourself.
3) How is this at all relevant to Tseng?

UNPTWOPWINNER · #49 08-23-2003, 03:07 AM

One thing...
Last I checked people are STILL blessing +3 for money.
So, we reset, then those people get enough wisdom and we're screwed again.

Just let it be...let it fix itself.

Tseng · #50 08-23-2003, 03:08 AM

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu

3) How is this at all relevant to Tseng?

I think I can answer this one. He feels I have some sort of 'bias' against him, because I have banned him two times for commiting various offenses on graal2002. Therefore, anything I say or do against him or his viewpoint is now justified in his mind by this 'bias' and not by anything he could have possibly done wrong.

As for my opinions of a reset? It is a good idea, but it should only happen in the long-term, after all the bugs are found and ironed out. A short-term reset would be useless and only serve to upset people while more bugs discovered would cause the same problems to occur once again. It's been said repeatedly that this is a beta server - all the bugs haven't been gone yet, and until there is some reasonable certainty that the vast majority of bugs have been ironed out, no reset should take place.

Kaimetsu · #51 08-23-2003, 03:12 AM

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Originally posted by Tseng
I think I can answer this one. He feels I have some sort of 'bias' against him, because I have banned him two times for commiting various offenses on graal2002. Therefore, anything I say or do against him is now justified in his mind by this 'bias' and not by anything he could have possibly done wrong.

What an illogical person.

Torankusu · #52 08-23-2003, 03:14 AM

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Originally posted by Tseng

I think I can answer this one. He feels I have some sort of 'bias' against him, because I have banned him two times for commiting various offenses on graal2002. Therefore, anything I say or do against him is now justified in his mind by this 'bias' and not by anything he could have possibly done wrong.

yeah that's it.

DevilsDice · #53 08-23-2003, 03:15 AM

Wow... its amazing... its like, two people, but, it isnt... the words... are like, the same... haha, here comes the grammer flame...

Torankusu · #54 08-23-2003, 03:23 AM

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Originally posted by Tseng
As for my opinions of a reset? It is a good idea, but it should only happen in the long-term, after all the bugs are found and ironed out. A short-term reset would be useless and only serve to upset people while more bugs discovered would cause the same problems to occur once again. It's been said repeatedly that this is a beta server - all the bugs haven't been gone yet, and until there is some reasonable certainty that the vast majority of bugs have been ironed out, no reset should take place.

This is my opinion on it as well.

I don't expect an immediate reset, I would prefer to wait until every bug that is known currently or is a possible threat of being abused it removed. GK is just in chaos now. People are dropping 70k when asked to borrow some plat, people are dropping loads of plat on tables and saying "ive got more at home yo lol" and things have outrageous prices now. The plat I think is going to kill it all, but there are also so many duplicated items out there. Random alchemy takes its toll on the players as well -- "rare" armour, not available to starting players. It's just all unbalanced, and I know not everything is supposed to be obtainable, and it's not, it's just the things out now are screwing up GK.

Nakamura2003 · #55 08-23-2003, 03:31 AM

you can't fix all bugs in a game but you can fix what you can find, there will always be bugs and we need to get people who will enforce the rules.

Kaimetsu · #56 08-23-2003, 03:31 AM

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Originally posted by DevilsDice
Wow... its amazing... its like, two people, but, it isnt...

Are you talking about Tseng and I? Our modes of speech are fairly different, and I don't remember either of us flaming a person purely because of poor grammar.

UNPTWOPWINNER · #57 08-23-2003, 03:31 AM

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Originally posted by Torankusu
This is my opinion on it as well.

I don't expect an immediate reset, I would prefer to wait until every bug that is known currently or is a possible threat of being abused it removed. GK is just in chaos now. People are dropping 70k when asked to borrow some plat, people are dropping loads of plat on tables and saying "ive got more at home yo lol" and things have outrageous prices now. The plat I think is going to kill it all, but there are also so many duplicated items out there. Random alchemy takes its toll on the players as well -- "rare" armour, not available to starting players. It's just all unbalanced, and I know not everything is supposed to be obtainable, and it's not, it's just the things out now are screwing up GK.

Well, when and if there is a reset, what do you say to those who earned their event items? "It wasn't obtainable, you earned it, but whoops!"

Like I said, reset = too extreme

Torankusu · #58 08-23-2003, 03:33 AM

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Originally posted by UNPTWOPWINNER

Well, when and if there is a reset, what do you say to those who earned their event items? "It wasn't obtainable, you earned it, but whoops!"

Like I said, reset = too extreme

I have tons of events stuff, DX has tons of events stuff, anU has tons of events stuff. Explain to me how we would not lose things off of a reset? Yet we realize it would help.

Kaimetsu · #59 08-23-2003, 03:35 AM

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Originally posted by Torankusu
I have tons of events stuff, DX has tons of events stuff, anU has tons of events stuff. Explain to me how we would not lose things off of a reset? Yet we realize it would help.

You believe it would help. Sacrifice doesn't make you automatically correct, and it's not even sacrifice if you think you would have more fun as a result.

busyrobot · #60 08-23-2003, 03:46 AM

These bugs are stupid and yes are killing the economy, if a reset happns it will be in the future, and just planning one would kill GK, I mean, are you going to put in the hours if it's all going to wiped in three weeks?

Why would anyone play between now and that time?

.....and it is not ready yet, there are far too many economy bugs, but it's not all econ bugs, some of it is as simple as allowed elements (for fun gameplay) get maxed out by power players.

Take lvling, it's designed to people who lvl in addition to other things build up at a fair speed. Then people lvl non stop, and are unfairly strong, like unfairly rich people who boringly repeat 'get rich' actions.

Some people are powerful because they are good, others because they scam, others because they abuse bugs, and others because they are obsesive players.

A reset and bug fix helps the bug abuse imbalance, but that won't stop imbalance.

Maybe, if you did any one thing over and over, if the effect drops off, (ie, after you get xk exp in a day, you get a 20% penalty on new xp, then up to a 50%, etc, if you bless swords, they take longer and longer, if you do alch, the chances of failing get higher if you do lots the same day)

But, it's not ready to be reset, IMO.

DevilsDice · #61 08-23-2003, 03:47 AM

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Are you talking about Tseng and I? Our modes of speech are fairly different, and I don't remember either of us flaming a person purely because of poor grammar.

Yah.. Well, you two talk as if you know what your talking about...

haha, roflmao...

actually, sometimes you do...

Eww, no, Tseng flamed the hell outta Hashi for his lack of grammar...

Kaimetsu · #62 08-23-2003, 03:50 AM

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Originally posted by DevilsDice
actually, sometimes you do...

Yeah? Show me a quote from the last twelve months.

MasterNuke · #63 08-23-2003, 03:50 AM

I agree with a reset...

*sigh* I feel it is partially my fault for the way GK is now... I've been playing ever since GK came on... reported many bugs... most eventually fixed, such as the create missile reconnect bug... As things came... I was almost always on the top... feeding valuable information to those struggling... while keeping my goal... to become the most powerful caster in the game... I believe I have kept it up still... but what is the point in existing in a corrupted world that is seen now... It took me since the begining to obtain many items... but now... all that is silly and worthless...

The way I believe GK should be dealt with is that Graal Kingdoms should be taken to Beta status... and the hard part... getting everyone to report bugs and balance sudgestions... instead of "Omg I got scammed ban him"...

Why I think things have been taking forever is... we all need to let the staff fix the game... not our social problems that we can easily fix ourselves...

I believe a few that are trusted should be appointed to handling social problems on Graal... and given adequate powers to do so... those select few should also be appointed to collecting data to balance the game as well... (Events, personal problems, balance issues, etc)

GK should be reset because at the moment... the whole community has become blind to what it really means to go from nothing to everything... I myself have come close to losing sight of it...

Just me pouring my thoughts...

Edit: Also after the reset... I would like to see every event item made obtainable through hard work... such as obtaining very rare drops from monsters and hard to find secret passages... obtaining high level in a crafting skill... and crafting the item...

Edit2: The above is assuming Stefan and Unixmad refuse to throw away what they did so far...

Tseng · #64 08-23-2003, 03:56 AM

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Originally posted by DevilsDice

Yah.. Well, you two talk as if you know what your talking about...

And, quite frequently, I do know what I am talking about.

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Eww, no, Tseng flamed the hell outta Hashi for his lack of grammar...

I did not flame him (I did not say something like: You have bad grammar -> you suck).

I did, however, say that if he wanted people to agree with (or even read) his posts, he should consider having better grammar, considering he had basically said in that thread that people should either agree with him or not post there (which is rather ludicrous).

DevilsDice · #65 08-23-2003, 03:58 AM

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Yeah? Show me a quote from the last twelve months.

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What an illogical person

haha i win?

Tseng · #66 08-23-2003, 03:59 AM

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Originally posted by DevilsDice

haha i win?

How does that show him flaming someone for having bad grammar?

(It doesn't.)

konidias · #67 08-23-2003, 04:00 AM

Fixing some bugs and resetting GK is NOT going to help it at all. The cycle will just start all over again, until everyone is exactly how they are right now.

Bug fixing does not fix balance issues. Bug fixing does not provide justice to criminals. Bug fixing does not make roleplaying easier to do. Bug fixing does not stop people from acting the same way they do. Bug fixing isn't going to help the fact that eventually, you'll only be killing one type of enemy with one type of weapon, because everything else is just "sub par".

Systems need to be totally remade, every item/weapon needs to be balanced and fixed. Magic needs to be changed, fighting needs to be changed. Monster drops need to be changed, making materials needs to be changed. Nearly damn well everything needs to be changed.

I'm not talking about totally remaking the stuff, because for the most part, it's decent. Just modifying things so that there is balance in the game. Making the world more believable. Making people want to RP and not want to go around powerleveling and PKing. These things cannot be accomplished through bug fixes.

There is no administration on GK that is handling issues as they happen. The overall design and planning of GK is TERRIBLE. Planning? What planning? There is no planning that I can see. GK has turned into the typical MMORPG. Which isn't a good thing.

There's no way this can be fixed until they hire someone that knows how to plan for things, and knows how to balance things. Otherwise, there will just be more stupid additions of overpowered weapons, monsters that drop too much exp, and nerfing of many of the things I just mentioned, because the staff don't seem to realise that making things overly powerful, is far worse than making them too weak. With simple concepts like this, if they aren't implemented, you can kiss your dreams of seeing an awesome GK, goodbye.

Right now I think that GK is one of the worst MMORPGS to date. Not because of it's graphics, or players, or staff... But because it's not achieving anything new, it's not balanced, it's not managed. Nothing. Stefan scripts and makes new things, Unixmad manages Graal as a whole, but who is handling GK? Nobody.

Now if I'm banned because I stated some opinions. WHICH NOBODY HAS TO AGREE WITH. Then so be it. I don't think I should be banned for stating something that is so obviously true. I can bring up many MANY facts to go along with my opinions. The last thing I want, is for unix or stefan to come here, get all mad at my post, and ban me instantly because they think I'm totally wrong. Obviously I can't be totally wrong, or people wouldn't be begging for a reset. If I am banned, everyone asking for a reset should be banned, because they are all expressing that GK is not doing well at the moment.

DevilsDice · #68 08-23-2003, 04:03 AM

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How does that show him flaming someone for having bad grammar?

I wasnt proving that he flamed somebody for bad grammer... >.> I dont know if he has....

I was proving he knew what he was talking about in the last 12 months...

Wow, something went Right over my head there... -_-

MasterNuke · #69 08-23-2003, 04:05 AM

And Konidias proudly states the 2nd opinion that never made it to my text box *pats Konidias on the back*

Kaimetsu · #70 08-23-2003, 04:07 AM

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Originally posted by DevilsDice
haha i win?

[edit]Ah, I see what you mean now. I thought you were referring to the grammar thing. Well, I'm still not convinced that Tseng has any propensity for attacking somebody's English skills, and I certainly don't.[/edit]

DevilsDice · #71 08-23-2003, 04:08 AM

I agree with Konidias...

There isnt much of a Storyline to follow... its kind of a

"Kill the monster get the exp make the weapon get strong kill people now cuz i have nothing else to do oh wait now im going to get all 20 stats" type of game...

Somehow vaguely reminds me of Diablo 2....

>.> We need something to be done about balance as he said... How in the hell does a Sword, a measly foot long sword, do as much as a 105 pound hammer!??! I mean, GODDAMN.

Suffice to say, I can basically create a firewall, oh say, 10 times, and kill anybody who walks into it... >.>

I mean sheesh...

Also, the barbarian class shouldnt be able to wear platemail. Barbarians see Plate mail as scary and tabuu.. heh, jus thought id add that in there

Tseng · #72 08-23-2003, 04:21 AM

This is rather off-topic, but why have I seen so many "And if I'm banned for saying this, then..." comments in peoples' posts lately?

If you're not sure if a post is breaking rules, perhaps not posting it would be a good idea.

I also find the phrase "If I'm banned for stating my opinion(s)" rather humorous, becuase last I knew you weren't banned for stating your opinions unless they broke one of the forum/graalonline rules.

Torankusu · #73 08-23-2003, 04:31 AM

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Originally posted by konidias
Balance GK & Systems

Yes. That would be wonderful. But it would still eventually a require a reset, no?

konidias · #74 08-23-2003, 04:45 AM

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Originally posted by Tseng
This is rather off-topic, but why have I seen so many "And if I'm banned for saying this, then..." comments in peoples' posts lately?

If you're not sure if a post is breaking rules, perhaps not posting it would be a good idea.

I also find the phrase "If I'm banned for stating my opinion(s)" rather humorous, becuase last I knew you weren't banned for stating your opinions unless they broke one of the forum/graalonline rules.

Um, trust me, I've been banned for stating my opinions. I was global banned from Graal for stating my opinions on GK. So that is why I said what I did. Although I'd rather see this game do well, so I will post what I feel would make it do well. Even if it's risking me being banned. It's not breaking any forum rules, but Unixmad doesn't have to follow forum rules, and he will more than likely get extremely mad that anyone, especially former GK staff, is saying ANYTHING bad about GK.

konidias · #75 08-23-2003, 04:47 AM

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Originally posted by Torankusu
Yes. That would be wonderful. But it would still eventually a require a reset, no?

It would, but just asking for a reset isn't going to magically make that happen. That's why I said the balancing and such needs to be done first, before there is a reset. I mean of course once it's all balanced, it would be reset, otherwise it would be a wate of time.

Torankusu · #76 08-23-2003, 04:54 AM

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Originally posted by konidias

It would, but just asking for a reset isn't going to magically make that happen. That's why I said the balancing and such needs to be done first, before there is a reset. I mean of course once it's all balanced, it would be reset, otherwise it would be a wate of time.

I don't want JUST a reset, of course not. I think all that is wrong with GK right now should be fixed and a lot of the ways that things work (EXP Gaining, leveling, etc) should be fixed. There should be ways to have people EA your items without having to give them the item (Sometimes people aren't easy to trust), random alchemy items should not be possible, maybe some of them (mithril, PMoP, etc) could be evented off. And maybe the debug staff could work on monsters, etc, so that the Alchemy items that you need to make things such as PMoP etc could be released.

DevilsDice · #77 08-23-2003, 05:24 AM

See. Now your offering something much easier for everyone to agree to. Some simple changes, and itll all be good... Hell if you wanna reset, jus type /restart and /restart xxxx ((numbers said))...

lol, then youll be back to the old days, so to speak

Nakamura2003 · #78 08-23-2003, 05:43 AM

That wouldn't solve anything, it's the whole server that is corrupted not just us

Torankusu · #79 08-23-2003, 05:43 AM

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Originally posted by DevilsDice
See. Now your offering something much easier for everyone to agree to. Some simple changes, and itll all be good... Hell if you wanna reset, jus type /restart and /restart xxxx ((numbers said))...

lol, then youll be back to the old days, so to speak

There's more to it than that dude....so many things that were not to be released are out on players accounts being used and traded, limiting the quests, etc that we COULD have.

Events items have gone from like like "ONE OF A KIND" to "hey he has one and him and him and him" (golden warrior helmet, sorc shield......etc).

Zurkiba · #80 08-23-2003, 05:57 AM

I suggested it ALONG time ago...

Everyone has abused bugs. Fix all the bugs, then do a final reset. Fix the economy and such.

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