Going back to that lower level, (because before you can abstaract to a higher level you have to have your lower level in place - or its like putting the roof of a house under the basement and it falls apart)
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To the universe nothing has value, the most anything can have is its mere existence. A thing is only given value when a person values it, and even then that value only exists within their mind. It's an idea, a configuration of atoms. In itself that value doesn't exist, but it has significance to what we call humans
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How do you know that the universe exists? If in my mind, someone i have never met does not exist. When I meet them, they exist in my own internal mental universe.
That person is given value, definition, description in my mental database of the cosmos.
When all the people who know that person grow old and die, and that person grows old and dies, does that erase the existence of that person? The atomic memory brain structure of all knowledge of that person is gone, they made no lasting written or pictoral record of their existence. Does that mean they never existed?
Of course not. The universe did not start when you were born, nor will it end when you die.
The universe is kind of like a web server, and our minds are web browsers, copying things down and runnign them though our own little filters till a text or picture, sound or motion fits into our own way of making sesne.
THe absolutes of the universe do not change, but they way each person filers the attributes to build a reality they can live in varies.
Again, there are certain truths in the universe that apply to everyone and everything, and from which there is no escape.
Some of these may be moral truths, like it is wrong for one person to kill another, who would say that is a false statement?
Certain filters that contradict the univeral truths would also be int his persons mindset, and you would find that this person may think that other rules and laws do not apply to them.
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I know that my future is either determined, in which case I can't control it, or dictated by random factors, in which case I can't control it. I know all this and yet I ignore it because I'm human and I can't easily accept that knowledge.
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Your knowledge of these things is based on what?
On your observation that these could be some of the absolute
truths that apply to everyone, one or the other?
Such a realization should not be ignored, but investigated..
One of the universal truths is that the Universe did not happen by itself. Something, someone, set it up and is maintainign it.
Again like a website - it did not happen by itself and does not stay up and make sense unless it is taken care of constantly. (my irl job is a webmaster, i know)
And if the universe - or rather, that which controls the universe - knows you exist, and you are alive and breahting right now - then why is it so hard to accept that you may not be able to change your future? Such a supremem being would have time and space layed out before him like a map or number line. We just see it infentesimal time unit by infentesimal time unit.
Whatever happened was destined to happen since before the universe began, and each persons life does have a purpose in the universe. Why else would a universe maker bother to have that person be made? If you ever make a graal quest, you would not likely have put in an npc charachter without some kind, no matter how insignfigant, a purpose.
To the universe - again, the supreme force driving the universe - everythign that it went to the trouble of creating does indeed have value and a purpose.
You might think that I am imposing human qualities on the universe's propponent - BUT - as far as we have experinced, humankind are the most intelegent beings in the universe - why not then, would the creator make us to think like it does?
Ever try to make an npc to act like an online person that oculd pass a graal based turing test? (coulnd not tell if it was human or machine driven) Such creative tentencies in people, I suspect were placed in us to ask jsut such questions, that by looking at how we view the universe, we may understand a little something of the one who set the univese into motion.
Kind of like an artist signing every masterpiece he creates, and every human mind and heart is a masterpiece in itself.
--- and the quote from "there is nothing new under the sun",
that was from the book of Ecclisiates in the Bible, and if you think that the Bible carries a false message, well that is an obstacle that only you can decide to overcome. It does not mean that there is a limit to the inifinite amount of numbers that exist;
the creator of the universe is likely an infinite being, with no begining or end, and people are finite.
Anythign that has an essense of infinitey exists beyond the constaints of time and space, let alone the sun.
Numbers are nothign new, the are not original, they always have been and always will be - and mahematical facts, theres some absolute truths to munch on kiddies!
08-26-2002, 08:14 AM
- Kaimetsu
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