why kill v5

[ilovegirlzz]

so basically...the admins like the updates because it reduces the amount of work they have to do. and the players dislike the updates because it doesnt do anything. v4 FTW..

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by ilovegirlzz

so basically...the admins like the updates because it reduces the amount of work they have to do. and the players dislike the updates because it doesnt do anything. v4 FTW..

No.

[WillaWonka]

Originally Posted by ilovegirlzz

so basically...the admins like the updates because it reduces the amount of work they have to do. and the players dislike the updates because it doesnt do anything. v4 FTW..

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

No.

In terms of the staff getting something done, turns out less work for the admins because they already did it.... usually what happens yes. You are trying to make it sound like a bad thing, no? I personally love the updates, especially v6, as soon as it came out, graal finally started to do more then 5fps for me and i was able to pwn noobs liek dis kid.

[shrimps]

Originally Posted by Tim_Rocks

You sound like a man/women? who needs a time machine.

Don't know about you guys, but I saw this and thought "I would love a time machine".

[Supaman771]

Originally Posted by shrimps

"I would love a time machine".

I'd go back like 10 years and hook up w/ Avril Lavigne when she was still hawtaf.

Either that or get 1985 Micheal J. Fox and film our adventures for lulz.

What was the topic again?

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by WillaWonka

In terms of the staff getting something done, turns out less work for the admins because they already did it.... usually what happens yes. You are trying to make it sound like a bad thing, no?

Because he makes it out as though v6 makes it so staff can be lazy and everything is easier... and it's not even remotely close to that. It simply gives devs the ability to do more.

[Cow2001]

Originally Posted by Scoper

Visually and aesthetically, perhaps you're right. But you probably also wouldn't like thousands of trial hackers running around messing up your gameplay.

'hackers' were never that big of an issue, even before p2p.
i never minded them much really. they never really ruined the game for other players, and it was sometimes fun to see some guy come on and do some cool effects

Originally Posted by Scoper

Furthermore, new updates (generally?) meant newer/more scripting options, which means the developers can do more stuff. For you.

only potentially. look at graal some years ago and look at it now, can you really say we have more quality content in total than before (with 'inferior' scripting.

Originally Posted by Scoper

What's more important, a good game, or a good shell around it?

the game, but the shell is still very important

Originally Posted by Scoper

Finally..while I agree that for a non-staff player, development is a background thing, don't think for a second it doesn't directly affect you. To think so would be incredibly dumb

it may potentially affect the players, but not necessarily to a large enough extent to be more important than how the client feels. but anyway as i said i don't think regular players should concern themselves with it.

[Scoper]

Because of hacks and exploits, Era has been shut down multiple times over the past year..some of those times were for close-to 24 hour periods. You like your friendly little hackers? Screw off, they're not all nice. There's a difference between 'cool effects' and blatant server destruction

I can say we have the ability for a lot higher quality content, sure. The content itself comes from the developers who use it. You think older servers were better? Blame better staff, or your own bias.

You're right. The shell is important. But not as important as the game itself.
So, since the game carries a greater value than the shell around it, updates that increase the value of the overall game content but decrease (and again, this decrease is only YOUR opinion, so from an objective point it's hard to even argue it's there) how pretty the shell around it is should be totally acceptable.

Since you haven't really stopped being you, it's pretty obvious you're not going to believe that you're wrong here. As such..there's no point in arguing this. This thread should be in general discussion or something anyway

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Scoper

Since you haven't really stopped being you, it's pretty obvious you're not going to believe that you're wrong here. As such..there's no point in arguing this. This thread should be in general discussion or something anyway

I especially like the part where you ignore all of everyone's valid points, while claiming they're wrong for ignoring your own less valid points.


Cow presents an important perspective, and you vastly blow Graal's issue with hackers out of proportion. Your opinion is built out of some light involvement with a server that's broken itself more often than hackers have, and somehow you're using that minor involvement to constitute an air matter-of-factness that you truthfully shouldn't have.

Graal has seen numerous successful servers in the past, without the updates later versions of the client have brought. Arguably, the changes that came with Graal are even in some cases responsible for killing them off (Delteria being one example).

Delteria also makes a nice example of how irrelevant your hacker argument is, but I'll leave that one alone.

To be blunt, and play on your dumb shell vs. game stance; the "shell" has sharply fallen with later releases, while the "game" (read: background processes) has only slightly risen - and quite slowly, given v6's long wait. That's hardly a worthwhile trade off.

[Minoc]

Originally Posted by Tim_Rocks

Uh, would you still rather be using GS1??

I would.
While GS2 has its advantages, its introduction has had some significantly negative results.
GS2 scripts can't be used in offline editors. This pretty much killed the prospect of player-created content (as opposed to LAT-created), which in my opinion contibuted a lot to the spirit of the game.

Also, forcing completed servers to convert all of their scripts first to support an NPC Server and then to GScript2 unfortunately had a few casualties.

[Crow]

Originally Posted by kia345

the "shell" has sharply fallen with later releases, while the "game" (read: background processes) has only slightly risen - and quite slowly, given v6's long wait. That's hardly a worthwhile trade off.

That's something I can agree with.

[bloodykiller]

stop criticising v6. the 1st v6 beta sucked obviously but now it has way more functionalities than v5 and the glitches have been fixed..not to talk about the massive difference in fps lag
name 1 relevant advantage that v5 has over v6? don't post though if your computer is 5 years old or something retarded like that

[Crow]

Originally Posted by bloodykiller

stop criticising v6. the 1st v6 beta sucked obviously but now it has way more functionalities than v5 and the glitches have been fixed..not to talk about the massive difference in fps lag
name 1 relevant advantage that v5 has over v6? don't post though if your computer is 5 years old or something retarded like that

I assume your computer is at least as old as well, since I have no performance issues with either v5 or v6 on my very low end laptop. The image of Graal in general and the client has degraded over the years, that's a fact. It's not only about performance and features, you know?

[bloodykiller]

my computer is 2 years old and i'm gonna change it soon. i only encountered fps problems on v5 when i had chrome open and was playing ulms, gang events or at unstick. but i see loads of players having fps issues (on v5) even with only a dozen players on the same level
any computer with 4gb ram will give you issues on v5 if you're using your browser at the same time you're using graal. on v6 if u want to get fps lag you really need to try hard

[Crow]

Originally Posted by bloodykiller

any computer with 4gb ram will give you issues on v5 if you're using your browser at the same time you're using graal.

I only recently upgraded to 8 GB of memory and had 4 GB before that, and was happily running Graal v5, Opera, another popular MMO with more than 10 million subscriptions, Photoshop, a music player and some other crap without any performance issues. Maybe you should face the fact that your hardware might just suck. Especially if you make it dependant on RAM alone, of which Graal doesn't even use a whole lot.