Bring back Classic levels and hit detection?

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Nelm

Fair enough. But from what I can see, staff have put out a compelling and constructive argument against the proposal. All we are doing is beating this topic to death. As long as Storm is the manager, the HD is staying, the way I see it. I don't care for the system, but nothing is changing in that regard. So why as players are we still focusing on this instead of throwing out ideas that will actually be considered and can be implemented?

Their only argument is that it'll be too much work. Then some say that it will eventually be replaced with default, but they're willing to continue adding content that uses custom, which will eventually mean more work for them because they will have to replace all the content using the custom system now, AND whatever they add from hereon out.

I don't see this custom system as something that will last Classics lifetime, so eventually it will be replaced with another custom system or default or something, but I don't think it's going to be around forever. Classic as seen countless custom systems, conversion from pre-NPC server to NPC-server. Conversion from clientside to serverside. Conversion from regular maps to gmap. And what seems to be 5 years of just fiddling with systems rather than content, going from this system to the next. I don't think it's as much work, or going to be that huge of a set-back as they make it out to be.

Honestly, I gave up trying, but I still hope they will eventually convert to default, or at least a custom system that emulates it instead of thinking they can do it better.

[BlackSolider]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Their only argument is that it'll be too much work.

Their only argument, and the only one they need, is that it'll be far too much work for the lackluster staff we currently have, not to mention it'd take months of time to complete.

Would classic survive those several months with minimal changes while this project is being worked on? It's debatable, but I'd guess no. Regardless, IMO we should simply try to improve things as much as possible and put this HD project on hold until our staff team is built up.

Is this the best course of action? Like everything else, thats debatable. But whether you agree or not, the people in charge, for whatever reason, aren't simply going to bend to every foreign whim, whether they played 8 years ago or not.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

Their only argument, and the only one they need, is that it'll be far too much work for the lackluster staff we currently have, not to mention it'd take months of time to complete.

Would classic survive those several months with minimal changes while this project is being worked on? It's debatable, but I'd guess no. Regardless, IMO we should simply try to improve things as much as possible and put this HD project on hold until our staff team is built up.

Is this the best course of action? Like everything else, thats debatable. But whether you agree or not, the people in charge, for whatever reason, aren't simply going to bend to every foreign whim, whether they played 8 years ago or not.

Classic has been through this sort of thing many times before(like I stated in my post) and never really died.

[BlackSolider]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Classic has been through this sort of thing many times before(like I stated in my post) and never really died.

Indeed it has.

But how many lives does the old cat have left?

(Could insert a random story how this chick I know brought a kitten to my work today and I played with it for a bit, but I'll spare you the jealously.)

Seriously. Eventually people will stop coming back because they decided to finally move on. Graal itself, much less classic, is simply not brining in enough new players to replace the losses anymore. The cycle will eventually break.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

Indeed it has.

But how many lives does the old cat have left?

(Could insert a random story how this chick I know brought a kitten to my work today and I played with it for a bit, but I'll spare you the jealously.)

Seriously. Eventually people will stop coming back because they decided to finally move on. Graal itself, much less classic, is simply not brining in enough new players to replace the losses anymore. The cycle will eventually break.

I think it's worth the risk. All Classic seems to be doing is digging a deeper hole each time they release new content catered to this custom system. They may as well get it over with now, and I imagine if they leave up some sort of playable version(the version it is using now), players will be understanding.

[-Ramirez-]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

I think it's worth the risk. All Classic seems to be doing is digging a deeper hole each time they release new content catered to this custom system. They may as well get it over with now, and I imagine if they leave up some sort of playable version(the version it is using now), players will be understanding.

I agree completely. I think everyone overestimates the players' willingness to return, or even stay.