Classic Conversion

[Crono]

Originally Posted by jorollychu

how is the server better now than it was in 2004???? what is there now that 2004 didnt have? some GC levels? we dont even have things as simple as hovercrafts anymore.

Events are everything these days.

[Knightess]

Originally Posted by xXziroXx

I can't remember what year it was, but I for one definitely played during the Graal the Adventure era. I remember playing once or twice before it, but I didn't really have a regular Internet connection so I quickly deleted it. I "found it again" after a friend in my class talked about it, and his little brother invited me to their guild "Swedish Vikings" which they had created. Good old times!

Remember the races? Vampire, Zorbi, etc.
But they removed the races and turned it into GTA, which was still good.

[Mark Sir Link]

which race had the speed boost, I picked that one

[DustyPorViva]

The races were terrible, to be honest.

[Mark Sir Link]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

The races were terrible, to be honest.

yes but magic was awesome

Graal the Adventure PLSSS

[Polo]

Originally Posted by Deophite18

If you REALLY offered this and he REALLY didn't accept, then i don't really know what to say about him at this point.

I don't recall the offer specifically (certainly at least not in great deal), though plenty of people have offered so there's a good chance it happened. I probably said the same as I did to Luda, that until I could see some concrete progress I'd be very skeptical about committing to a project with such a high risk of not delivering.

If people genuinely want to put the time in to convert the old stuff then this is fine, but understand that Classic was losing players before we switched to NPC server. Regardless of whether the old content is better or not, I have reservations that it will attract players in the long term. This is why I'm much more positive about quests and landmarks being converted rather than the whole lot. It's much less total work whilst still getting the majority of the benefits.

Originally Posted by Deophite18

This sounds good to me. To bad classic's MANAGER stopped posting on this thread all a sudden. Some feedback from him would be nice *looking at you Storm*

I've never been one to make a lot of posts. But just because I don't post in a thread does not mean I'm not reading it. I have my own views on where I think Classic should go, and anyone who has taken the time to ask me about them has gotten a full and honest answer. Classic has never been about what I want though; it's a combination of what the players want and what is realistically possible. There have been some good suggestions and ideas made in this thread, but it's clear to me that there's a massive variety of views. Whilst ultimately we all want a better Classic, no-one seems to agree on one definitive way to achieve it.

I was playing Classic before the millennium; we didn't even have events or an events team back then. Those were some of the times I enjoyed most: not because of the content, but because of the community.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Polo

I was playing Classic before the millennium; we didn't even have events or an events team back then. Those were some of the times I enjoyed most: not because of the content, but because of the community.

People pretty much made their own events.

[draygin]

Nor do we have cool things like the fighting fish. Also there are pretty much no secret areas left in the game. Half the fun I had playing Classic back in the day with all of the secrets you could discover. One of the coolest being the Black Gelat worth 100k... I understand why it was taken it out but man was it awesome finding it.

That along with the ability of finding any number of secret passageways that lead through out the server. That or the trident by saying phantasmagoria in the room in destiny.

Not to mention there was an insane amount of quests compared to what little remains now. One thing I've been wondering is why the heck is there so many Red Dragon Inn's on the server? I've seen something like 3 of the same exact inn.

It was also cool when the rat form was taken out but by going into a certain building and going into rooms in a certain order made it so that you where able to get in the old levels and complete the quest for it.

The fact is a ton of quests and items have been taken out and only a fraction of those have been replaced. Things that did nothing to break the game but where incredibly fun. The various types of boots such as reverse boots and items such as the suicide dagger.
Fun things that gave no advantage over other players. I was never one to hang out in level14.graal myself and I've never really seen the appeal. I played on Classic for over a year and a half and only changed because a friend dragged me to another server to check it out and then my old guild fell apart shortly after that.

Edit: Players making their own events was pretty cool. The biggest that I remember and probably my favorite was when a bunch of people started playing as Confederate and Union and went to war against each other. The whole server became a big battle ground for that nights activities.

[Mark Sir Link]

Originally Posted by Polo

If people genuinely want to put the time in to convert the old stuff then this is fine, but understand that Classic was losing players before we switched to NPC server. Regardless of whether the old content is better or not, I have reservations that it will attract players in the long term. This is why I'm much more positive about quests and landmarks being converted rather than the whole lot. It's much less total work whilst still getting the majority of the benefits.

I'll interpret the beginning of that paragraph has meaning you've given permission for people to begin converting older content.

[Polo]

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

I'll interpret the beginning of that paragraph has meaning you've given permission for people to begin converting older content.

Yes, more than once. I encourage the updating of old quests/landmarks heavily. Converting the whole old server entirely is a different scale of job altogether though, and one needs to consider if it will actually bring players in (given that it was losing them before).

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Polo

Yes, more than once. I encourage the updating of old quests/landmarks heavily. Converting the whole old server entirely is a different scale of job altogether though, and one needs to consider if it will actually bring players in (given that it was losing them before).

Pretty hard when you don't actually give anyone anything to work with.

[Darklux]

The question is:

Won't that just be another playerworld revival which has proven to fail nearly every time?

[DutchGuy]

lets leave classic as it is. the server is full of oldbies left-overs and does not attract new players. It has been struggling for years now on how to improve itself.
The upcoming years new servers will arise and eventually the servers that are now popular will go down the drain to.
Many people will leave this game as the majurity of graal is way to old to be even playing this game. This will result in a lack of experience in developers meaning the game will shut down. Stefan already has his money.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by DutchGuy

lets leave classic as it is.

You mean the laggy, crippled version it is now? You can't even PK or spar because it uses serverside detection.

Everything done on the current version has been done in some convoluted matter when it could have been done a lot simpler. There was no reason to rescript the entire damn system, and if there was it shouldn't have taken the direction it has.

[jorollychu]

races were awesome but unbalanced instead of improving them they just scrapped them. lame