Fluffing Mouse Click!

[DustyPorViva]

To those who keep saying "you have the option to do it too, so either do it or stop complaining," I'd just like to say:
The key to an online game is balance. For one option, the other option has to be equally fair, or try to be. On an RPG game, there could be one race that is way more powerful than the next... now to all the other races, they constantly die to that powerful race, and they complain. Sure, some would say, "you have the option to be that race, so it's fair"... is a dumb logic. In that case everyone would have to be that race just so the game would be fair, so why give the option of other races? So in the end, the logical solution would be to balance out the more powerful race with the others. The same applies here, just because it's possible for everyone to do doesn't make it fair. It should be balanced with the other options of control... or deleted.

[Frieza]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

To those who keep saying "you have the option to do it too, so either do it or stop complaining," I'd just like to say:
The key to an online game is balance. For one option, the other option has to be equally fair, or try to be. On an RPG game, there could be one race that is way more powerful than the next... now to all the other races, they constantly die to that powerful race, and they complain. Sure, some would say, "you have the option to be that race, so it's fair"... is a dumb logic. In that case everyone would have to be that race just so the game would be fair, so why give the option of other races? So in the end, the logical solution would be to balance out the more powerful race with the others. The same applies here, just because it's possible for everyone to do doesn't make it fair. It should be balanced with the other options of control... or deleted.

good analogie, its like imagine if they sddenly gve era 8 directions, all the era players who have become awesome in 4d shooting would complain, well zone has just been driven to 12 directions so 8d users, standing by the TRUE zone fighting style, are obv complaining.

[Switch]

2/3 or 1/2 damage?

[DustyPorViva]

You can easily compare races to control. Why? Because they are decisions in an online game that can control the outcome of your avatar. In this case, one of the decisions leads to an unbalanced gameplay... thus, just like an unbalanced race in an RPG, one of the options has to be balanced out. If the mouse movement mimicked keyboard movement, then it would just be 'the ability to move with your mouse", but it's not; there is a clear advantage of choosing one over the other. And in standard online game management, telling everyone to choose the best option because they can is not the solution, they should just fix it. By the by, you said it yourself, it is a different element of the game, and every element should at least be attempted to be balanced.
Also, nice touch with the whole delete me bit, I haven't heard that one before! You really know how to back up your statements.

[jkool666]

Originally Posted by Knight

Blah Blah Blah I'm still argueing for mouse clicking

Do you even read?

Originally Posted by jkool666

*Sighs*
Zone is a game where you can shoot in 8 different directions. Thats the point of zone, a 2D game where every single player (no matter what game controller they use) can shoot 8 ways. Well sorry, people who use mouse have the option of shooting 12 different ways giving them an extremely unfair advantage.

How many people here have heard of a game that gives benefits based on what type of controller you use? Sounds kinda stupid if you ask me...

That was on page 4, and I'm sorry, but to be blunt.... that post completely pwns your side of the arguement. Unless your an idiot, you can't disagree with the logic I have stated.

[Tracker180]

Originally Posted by jkool666

Do you even read?

That was on page 4, and I'm sorry, but to be blunt.... that post completely pwns your side of the arguement. Unless your an idiot, you can't disagree with the logic I have stated.

he doesn't and he is

[Frieza]

all in all i think mouse click is pretty unpopuler, and hopefully will be ABOLISHED! stupid mouse clicking nazis!

[Knight]

Thanks Frieza misquoting me must be a hobby of yours? Of course I understand your fighting style, you just won't accept any opinion that doesn't go along with yours. Of course mouse click hasn't been out that long, we all know that but it has been a bit. There is no way they can be compared to races, not to mention you're letting this spark up tension between us. This is a debate not an argument, keep it clean.

[anubis_wing]

Originally Posted by Knight

Thanks Frieza misquoting me must be a hobby of yours? Of course I understand your fighting style, you just won't accept any opinion that doesn't go along with yours. Of course mouse click hasn't been out that long, we all know that but it has been a bit. There is no way they can be compared to races, not to mention you're letting this spark up tension between us. This is a debate not an argument, keep it clean.

You are a complete hipocrit, you refuse to accept any opinion that isn't yours and what's more you make pitiful arguements.
What Dusty said was an incredibly accurate analogy (bravo) and what you said showed how absolutely tiny your mind is. He wasn't saying they were the exact same thing it's what they represent.

I'll explain the analogy so your tiny little mind MAY understand it. Mouse clicking is the overpowered race, it's available to everyone, but people like to be diverse and try something else. When the people who like to try something else are tired of the overpowered race and complain, the people who don't want the overpowered*ness* race to change they say "Well if you say it's so overpowered, then why don't you be one so you can't complain" thus defeating the purpose of any other races i.e Styles of fighting. This was his point.

By the way, the mouse click shooting has been out for about 2 weeks.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

To those who keep saying "you have the option to do it too, so either do it or stop complaining," I'd just like to say:
The key to an online game is balance. For one option, the other option has to be equally fair, or try to be. On an RPG game, there could be one race that is way more powerful than the next... now to all the other races, they constantly die to that powerful race, and they complain. Sure, some would say, "you have the option to be that race, so it's fair"... is a dumb logic. In that case everyone would have to be that race just so the game would be fair, so why give the option of other races? So in the end, the logical solution would be to balance out the more powerful race with the others. The same applies here, just because it's possible for everyone to do doesn't make it fair. It should be balanced with the other options of control... or deleted.

I completely agree with you, but I'm starting to think that this is just another OMG DUN STRAFE W/ PISTOLEZ ITS LAME kind of thing. The mouse click is pretty retarded because it's just different, but how are you going to convince Stefan to remove it? Because n00bs are killing you with it? Um...?

Also, nice touch with the whole delete me bit, I haven't heard that one before! You really know how to back up your statements.

These are the Zone forums, don't expect much.

[Switch]

Originally Posted by Frieza

he proberly got it from his highly intelectual one on one private chats with 12 year olds...in his bedroom

I dislike you to a great extent. 12 year olds aren't dumb like you talk about them being. Yes, they may be less intelligent, but they aren't dumb. Take it from someone who is 12 and is doing the same math work his sister is, and she's in 9th grade and he's in 7th grade.

anywhodles dusty is right, her analogie mde perfect sence.

DAMN RIGHT DUSTY'S RIGHT! And even the "dumb people" understand the damn analogie

Originally Posted by Knight

Thanks Frieza misquoting me must be a hobby of yours? Of course I understand your fighting style, you just won't accept any opinion that doesn't go along with yours. Of course mouse click hasn't been out that long, we all know that but it has been a bit. There is no way they can be compared to races, not to mention you're letting this spark up tension between us. This is a debate not an argument, keep it clean.

This is coming from the mind of a 5 year old that knows how to talk like a 17 year old.

[Knight]

Originally Posted by Switch;

This is coming from the mind of a 5 year old that knows how to talk like a 17 year old.

So are you trying to call me a child prodigy? Thanks!

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Heh, keep it clean, a debate not an argument? Aren't you the one who mentioned deleting me because you didn't agree with what I said(which I had said nothing directly to anyone about anything)?

That's called a joke.

Originally Posted by anubis_wing

You are a complete hipocrit, you refuse to accept any opinion that isn't yours and what's more you make pitiful arguements.
What Dusty said was an incredibly accurate analogy (bravo) and what you said showed how absolutely tiny your mind is. He wasn't saying they were the exact same thing it's what they represent.

I'll explain the analogy so your tiny little mind MAY understand it. Mouse clicking is the overpowered race, it's available to everyone, but people like to be diverse and try something else. When the people who like to try something else are tired of the overpowered race and complain, the people who don't want the overpowered*ness* race to change they say "Well if you say it's so overpowered, then why don't you be one so you can't complain" thus defeating the purpose of any other races i.e Styles of fighting. This was his point.

By the way, the mouse click shooting has been out for about 2 weeks.

BUT it isn't overpowered. I already told Frieza in game that clicking should stay for the regular angels, but I can careless if the remove the extra angels. I've supported that part all along. So technically I think the extra few angels should be removed, which isn't really overpowered. You really should stop being so rude. By the way not trying to be mean but how can you make fun of my "tiny little mind" when you spelled hypocrite wrong...? Then you try to correct him for spelling analogy wrong... Oh well, this whole mess has proved my point about some people not being able to debate without tension sparking : /

[jkool666]

Originally Posted by Knight

BUT it isn't overpowered. I already told Frieza in game that clicking should stay for the regular angels, but I can careless if the remove the extra angels. I've supported that part all along.

Couldn't you have said that originally? (Unless you did somewhere and I missed it, which I doubt)

[anubis_wing]

Originally Posted by Knight

I already told Frieza in game that clicking should stay for the regular angels, but I can careless if the remove the extra angels. I've supported that part all along. So technically I think the extra few angels should be removed, which isn't really overpowered.

You agree that it's overpowered, you say you don't but agreeing that it gives an unfair advantage and needs to be changed, yeah that's kinda the thing everyone has been saying this entire....damn....thread.

Originally Posted by Knight

I've massed it on Zone a few times, I've tried to tell certain people who will just shut me out since I don't agree with them. I just think a lot of you guys are taking it a bit to seriously, a lot of people hate me now lol. But I mean a ton of you guys show way to much disrespect towards someone for pointless reasons.

That isn't really even remotely the same as talking about it on the forums, a lot of people don't read masses or don't go on when you actually mass or are on, then you come on here and insult someone because of something they said, and you tell people to take it seriously when YOU obviously made an attack on them, I don't think so mister.

Originally Posted by Knight

You really should stop being so rude. By the way not trying to be mean but how can you make fun of my "tiny little mind" when you spelled hypocrite wrong...? Then you try to correct him for spelling analogy wrong... Oh well, this whole mess has proved my point about some people not being able to debate without tension sparking : /

The only reason I'm being so rude is because of how you act towards other people. I always have had trouble with Hypocrite but now I know how to spell it, so whatever. The fact is you started arguements by insulting people outright, using insults to prove they're wrong. Also, you can't be sarcastic or tell jokes on the internet unless you make it apparently specific that it was a joke, everyone should know that.

[Knight]

Originally Posted by anubis_wing

The only reason I'm being so rude is because of how you act towards other people. I always have had trouble with Hypocrite but now I know how to spell it, so whatever. The fact is you started arguements by insulting people outright, using insults to prove they're wrong. Also, you can't be sarcastic or tell jokes on the internet unless you make it apparently specific that it was a joke, everyone should know that.

Actually I am only standing my ground, this thread is a bit unorganized though. Look at the poll options... Anyways they should be or have been:

1. I think mouse click should be deleted overall.
2. I think the extra angels should be removed from mouse click.
3. I think that mouse click should stay.

Anyways, you have no right to infer that I am being rude to someone when you clearly don't know what happens when you're not around. People saw me defending mouse click and now I have a lot of enemies any they don't even know me a slight bit.

Originally Posted by MajinDragon

You've made quite a few grammar errors yourself, so if i were you, i wouldn't mention Anubi's small spelling error, which i assume was a typo.

Never said I didn't!