Kingdom dungeons.

[ViperZakuto]

Since the trials have to go through the kingdom dungeons to get back and forth from islands. Could there be a pathway that leads to the entrance, or signs telling them there going the wrong way?

When i was trial i went 1.5 it took me 6-8 hours to find my way back through zormites dungeon. I doubt a trial, that hasn't played this game for 6 years on and off, would search for that long just to get back to main. They would probably just quit the game altogether. so thats not good business.

[CABAL49]

Why not just let them use boats?

[ViperZakuto]

that would work too

[MajinDragon]

Originally Posted by CABAL49

Why not just let them use boats?

Yes, that would be the easiest solution. The trial's were only not allowed boat access due to the posibility of a trial accessing mainland through them during the times when trial island was around. So they should get access, but i don't see why they should be allowed to go to kingdom islands anyway... their items are now saved so them getting into the kingdom islands allows for trials to build houses... i believe after that happens, there will be little, or no difference between a gold account and a trial account...

[ViperZakuto]

trials need kingdom islands. that is the whole pointof the game. it's not called graal hack and slash...

[CABAL49]

Personally I think that they should bring back Start Island, allow trials to save and keep them there. Allow them to build huts, like houses but smaller and no furniture. There should only be one town were they do the quests and outside of it is forced Bmode.

[Ravenblade1979]

Originally Posted by CABAL49

Personally I think that they should bring back Start Island, allow trials to save and keep them there. Allow them to build huts, like houses but smaller and no furniture. There should only be one town were they do the quests and outside of it is forced Bmode.

You know as much of a good idea as this is I doubt the staff really will make the effort to do something like this. They want the trials to be able to talk to us gold/vip members. As much as this was a good idea all we get are beggars/scammers now.

Maybe if enough of us actually pm Stefan he will bring back trial island but the change that should be made is very limited access to gold/vip's. We have everything we want. Let the trials have their own stuff.

[ViperZakuto]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

You know as much of a good idea as this is I doubt the staff really will make the effort to do something like this. They want the trials to be able to talk to us gold/vip members. As much as this was a good idea all we get are beggars/scammers now.

Maybe if enough of us actually pm Stefan he will bring back trial island but the change that should be made is very limited access to gold/vip's. We have everything we want. Let the trials have their own stuff.

Yeah but this way is good for sales. How many people cam back and said why not i will do it. I sure did. if it wasn't like this I couldn't have gotten drawn back into the graal world.

how many people actually joins from trial island? not many, some but not many. most is through gold members that tell people about the game. now you can get the "full effect" with some limitations.

of course you're gonna have scammers. With new people come new scammers. there will always be scammers on gk.

[CABAL49]

Start Island was great, you could explore the different classes better and you didn't have to go so far to craft stuff. I found out about Graal when I was bored and was looking for something to do. Start Island would be great for promotion, just being stuck there is limitation enough in my opinion.

[MajinDragon]

Originally Posted by ViperZakuto

trials need kingdom islands. that is the whole pointof the game. it's not called graal hack and slash...

Yes, and if you want to play the game properly, you should pay. Seriously, Trials are saved now so there is little difference between gold/vip and trials, they shouldn't get kingdom island access, i think this is as far as i'd let them go. And the "whole pointof the game" is not for trials to be given every single benefit that gold/vip has except for table trade access.

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

You know as much of a good idea as this is I doubt the staff really will make the effort to do something like this. They want the trials to be able to talk to us gold/vip members. As much as this was a good idea all we get are beggars/scammers now.

Maybe if enough of us actually pm Stefan he will bring back trial island but the change that should be made is very limited access to gold/vip's. We have everything we want. Let the trials have their own stuff.

Do you mean like a seperate society that can't visit the mainland?

Originally Posted by ViperZakuto

Yeah but this way is good for sales. How many people cam back and said why not i will do it. I sure did. if it wasn't like this I couldn't have gotten drawn back into the graal world.

how many people actually joins from trial island? not many, some but not many. most is through gold members that tell people about the game. now you can get the "full effect" with some limitations.

of course you're gonna have scammers. With new people come new scammers. there will always be scammers on gk.

Many people have joined GK from the trial isle. I didn't like it, but no game's nubville is any good... you want trial's to be the same as gold members, this is not the way forward.

[ViperZakuto]

Originally Posted by MajinDragon

Yes, and if you want to play the game properly, you should pay. Seriously, Trials are saved now so there is little difference between gold/vip and trials, they shouldn't get kingdom island access, i think this is as far as i'd let them go. And the "whole pointof the game" is not for trials to be given every single benefit that gold/vip has except for table trade access.



Do you mean like a seperate society that can't visit the mainland?



Many people have joined GK from the trial isle. I didn't like it, but no game's nubville is any good... you want trial's to be the same as gold members, this is not the way forward.

alright how many trials actually stay trial? they are limited. They can't use boats, can't participate in events, limited sized window, anf they have observer mode every 10 mins for 2-5 mins? how is this the same as gold/vip. Not many people will stay trial because of the headache it causes. I was trial for 1 week then upgraded.

Now when trials were on trial island. you couldn't get the full effect. most people would sign on and say "this sucks" I can't figure out anything. cause a lot of the people are kids. Trial island would turn away more heads then it would get.

You guys have to realize this is a business. this is the best way to get new gold members. There not gonna change it just because your tired of trials begging for stuff... maybe you guys should help out the trials to try and expand the gk community.

this games noobville is good and thats why it will have more and more people come in this way.

[Ravenblade1979]

Yeah seperate island. I am sorry but when I was on trial island if I had the money I would have upgraded right away because it can get lonely. consider it extra incentive to get them to play.

[MajinDragon]

Originally Posted by ViperZakuto

alright how many trials actually stay trial? they are limited. They can't use boats, can't participate in events, limited sized window, anf they have observer mode every 10 mins for 2-5 mins? how is this the same as gold/vip. Not many people will stay trial because of the headache it causes. I was trial for 1 week then upgraded.

Now when trials were on trial island. you couldn't get the full effect. most people would sign on and say "this sucks" I can't figure out anything. cause a lot of the people are kids. Trial island would turn away more heads then it would get.

You guys have to realize this is a business. this is the best way to get new gold members. There not gonna change it just because your tired of trials begging for stuff... maybe you guys should help out the trials to try and expand the gk community.

this games noobville is good and thats why it will have more and more people come in this way.

They have enough already, they should upgrade to get to the kingdom islands...

[ViperZakuto]

Originally Posted by MajinDragon

They have enough already, they should upgrade to get to the kingdom islands...

they can already get to kingdoms islands... so the owners of gk must want them to get there.

my point is they can get stuck on kingdom islands and they will prob quit if they do. I don't see any trial noob looking for 8 hours to find his way back from dungeon. that is not good business. if there was sign's along the way they would be able to make it back maybe in 30 mins to an hour instead of 8 or just saying "nobody will help me, I quit this stupid game" Cause i know you're not gonna take the time to show them back. And neither is 99 percent of gk.

[cyan3]

Originally Posted by ViperZakuto

they can already get to kingdoms islands... so the owners of gk must want them to get there.

my point is they can get stuck on kingdom islands and they will prob quit if they do. I don't see any trial noob looking for 8 hours to find his way back from dungeon. that is not good business. if there was sign's along the way they would be able to make it back maybe in 30 mins to an hour instead of 8 or just saying "nobody will help me, I quit this stupid game" Cause i know you're not gonna take the time to show them back. And neither is 99 percent of gk.

Triels don't even know the dungeons lead to the kingdom islands in the first place.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by cyan3

Triels don't even know the dungeons lead to the kingdom islands in the first place.

Not many do, but a few have managed to get stuck on kingdom islands by unsticking through the dungeon.

[ReBorn_Spirit]

Those that get stuck on kingdom isle, can find me in PM, I will help get the back to main, even if it means I have to map out every last inch of those dungeons.

I've put up some signs in known dead ends, please dont burn them, its a pain to map these dungeons.

[MajinDragon]

Originally Posted by ViperZakuto

they can already get to kingdoms islands... so the owners of gk must want them to get there.

my point is they can get stuck on kingdom islands and they will prob quit if they do. I don't see any trial noob looking for 8 hours to find his way back from dungeon. that is not good business. if there was sign's along the way they would be able to make it back maybe in 30 mins to an hour instead of 8 or just saying "nobody will help me, I quit this stupid game" Cause i know you're not gonna take the time to show them back. And neither is 99 percent of gk.

Them being able to get there doesn't mean staff wanted them to get there, it just means that staff overlooked one of the methods of getting to the kingdom islands. Just like when trial island came, trials were allowed on boats, and they used them to get to mainland, this did not mean staff wanted them to get to mainland, it just meant they overlooked that possibiliy, so they banned them from using boats.

Dungeon's don't need signs you *****, they are there to be explored, for players to learn the routes, the short-cuts to get around GK.

Trials should be warped back to the dungeon entrance in main if they unstick in a kingdom island.

[ViperZakuto]

Originally Posted by MajinDragon

Them being able to get there doesn't mean staff wanted them to get there, it just means that staff overlooked one of the methods of getting to the kingdom islands. Just like when trial island came, trials were allowed on boats, and they used them to get to mainland, this did not mean staff wanted them to get to mainland, it just meant they overlooked that possibiliy, so they banned them from using boats.

Dungeon's don't need signs you *****, they are there to be explored, for players to learn the routes, the short-cuts to get around GK.

Trials should be warped back to the dungeon entrance in main if they unstick in a kingdom island.

I guess Stefan told you that he overlooked it? So unless he tells you that then you should not assume... Cause he is prolly the sole person scripted it. Maybe a little help from bjorn.

I have not seen in this post from any other staff member saying it was overlooked... so somthing still needs done.

Originally Posted by ReBorn_Spirit

Those that get stuck on kingdom isle, can find me in PM, I will help get the back to main, even if it means I have to map out every last inch of those dungeons.

I've put up some signs in known dead ends, please dont burn them, its a pain to map these dungeons.

I noticed that. but when the server is restarted they will disappear. =(

[MajinDragon]

Originally Posted by ViperZakuto

I guess Stefan told you that he overlooked it? So unless he tells you that then you should not assume... Cause he is prolly the sole person scripted it. Maybe a little help from bjorn.

I have not seen in this post from any other staff member saying it was overlooked... so somthing still needs done.

You made the first assumption by saying the owners wanted it to be like that. I just said they may have overlooked it.

[ViperZakuto]

Originally Posted by MajinDragon

You made the first assumption by saying the owners wanted it to be like that. I just said they may have overlooked it.

the kingdom dungeons have been there for a long time. they have been brought up multiple times on these forums over the years. that is not something the creator of the game would just overlook or forget. and if he did then maybe he should find someone to run the game that will pay attention. i surely didn't forget about them. and i'm only a player not the creator.

[sage_scooby]

I dunno about boats. Though maybe just allow them to use the ferries. They are slower ways of getting around than being able to use the crafted boats.

[ViperZakuto]

Originally Posted by sage_scooby

I dunno about boats. Though maybe just allow them to use the ferries. They are slower ways of getting around than being able to use the crafted boats.

thats what my idea was but i forgot it lol.

[MajinDragon]

Originally Posted by ViperZakuto

the kingdom dungeons have been there for a long time. they have been brought up multiple times on these forums over the years. that is not something the creator of the game would just overlook or forget. and if he did then maybe he should find someone to run the game that will pay attention. i surely didn't forget about them. and i'm only a player not the creator.

-.- I'm saying they might have overlooked the dungeons as a means of trials getting to the kingdom islands when they put nubtown in bomboria...

[ReBorn_Spirit]

Originally Posted by MajinDragon

...
Dungeon's don't need signs you *****, they are there to be explored, for players to learn the routes, the short-cuts to get around GK.

Trials should be warped back to the dungeon entrance in main if they unstick in a kingdom island.

Originally Posted by ViperZakuto

I guess Stefan told you that he overlooked it? So unless he tells you that then you should not assume... Cause he is prolly the sole person scripted it. Maybe a little help from bjorn.

I have not seen in this post from any other staff member saying it was overlooked... so somthing still needs done.

I noticed that. but when the server is restarted they will disappear. =(

Actaully the signs dont' go away, and if you had about 0.6 speed and a trials screen size, it would take you approximately 2 to 8 hours to fully map out any of the dungeons just to get out of them. Until they FIX the boats, I'm going to put signs down to save someone time.

Even if it helps only a few people, so be it. It's better then mindlessly running aorund killing stuff all day with over powered items and too much speed like the rest of you selfish little 110 nubs. By the gods don't bother quoting me, I've seen enough to know whats going on.

[MajinDragon]

Originally Posted by ReBorn_Spirit

By the gods don't bother quoting me, I've seen enough to know whats going on.

Quoted

[ViperZakuto]

Originally Posted by MajinDragon

-.- I'm saying they might have overlooked the dungeons as a means of trials getting to the kingdom islands when they put nubtown in bomboria...

and like i said they have been there for years... thats not just something you overlook... if stefan did then he needs to hire a manager that will pay attention...

[MajinDragon]

Originally Posted by ViperZakuto

and like i said they have been there for years... thats not just something you overlook... if stefan did then he needs to hire a manager that will pay attention...

The dungeons have been there for years, but the trials haven't been on mainland for that long... The existing dungeons don't really fall into the minds of dev's when they are thinkng about new updates... so yea, it can be overlooked.
Hire someone to replace stefan because he didn't make it easy for trials to get outa kingdom islands?

[cyan3]

The Dungeons are fine and don't need to be changed. Like Sage said just let me be allowed to use ferries.

[ViperZakuto]

Originally Posted by MajinDragon

The dungeons have been there for years, but the trials haven't been on mainland for that long... The existing dungeons don't really fall into the minds of dev's when they are thinkng about new updates... so yea, it can be overlooked.
Hire someone to replace stefan because he didn't make it easy for trials to get outa kingdom islands?

How can someone that spent 9 years scripting a game... forget about something that takes up 1/8 of the room on the gmap?????? if your that freaking IGNORANT then you shouldn't bee running a MMORPG!

plain and simple...think before you act.

I don't think stefan is that iognorant. So he must want them to be able to get to the islands. now they just need to be able to find a way back.

[Ravenblade1979]

Leon chill, Stefan's super busy. i don't know if you people realize this but he does work on more then just GK and he's super busy.

Googi has put up maps and I will make a site for trials to check out if they need to find their way back.

[Seeya]

Originally Posted by CABAL49

Start Island was great, you could explore the different classes better and you didn't have to go so far to craft stuff. I found out about Graal when I was bored and was looking for something to do. Start Island would be great for promotion, just being stuck there is limitation enough in my opinion.

I remember thinking i was so smart, because there was a secluded mine there, but you had to roundhouse kick the mines, so i got like 2 diamonds before i went back to main.

That was hilarious, i loved those times.

[MajinDragon]

Originally Posted by ViperZakuto

How can someone that spent 9 years scripting a game... forget about something that takes up 1/8 of the room on the gmap?????? if your that freaking IGNORANT then you shouldn't bee running a MMORPG!

plain and simple...think before you act.

I don't think stefan is that iognorant. So he must want them to be able to get to the islands. now they just need to be able to find a way back.

Firstly, the UD's do not take up 1/8 of the gmap
Secondly, How would stefan be ignorant for overlooking the dungeon's to access kingdom islands?...
Third, How do you know what stefan wanted for the trials?... It'd seem kinda stupid for trials to have access to everywhere with slight disadvantages (the observer mode isn't too troubling), that'd just make the difference between being a trial and a paying, gold member, very small.

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

Leon chill, Stefan's super busy. i don't know if you people realize this but he does work on more then just GK and he's super busy.

Googi has put up maps and I will make a site for trials to check out if they need to find their way back.

I don't want stefan to do anything, just not give trials kingdom isle access... Btw, could stefan make kingdom isles 100% bmode unless the island is switched into Kbmode.

[CABAL49]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

Leon chill, Stefan's super busy. i don't know if you people realize this but he does work on more then just GK and he's super busy.

That is the biggest problem with Kingdoms, with only a few people allowed to upload stuff how can the server get bigger?

[Ravenblade1979]

Why don't people bother Bjorn. He's supposed to be handling this stuff also.

[ViperZakuto]

Originally Posted by MajinDragon

Firstly, the UD's do not take up 1/8 of the gmap

Have you even mapped out all of the kingdom dungeons? the levels are pretty damn big... that was my point.

Originally Posted by MajinDragon

Secondly, How would stefan be ignorant for overlooking the dungeon's to access kingdom islands?...

because he is the person who put them there... and he is the one getting paid to make sure he looks at these things...

Originally Posted by MajinDragon

Third, How do you know what stefan wanted for the trials?... It'd seem kinda stupid for trials to have access to everywhere with slight disadvantages (the observer mode isn't too troubling), that'd just make the difference between being a trial and a paying, gold member, very small.

I don't but you sure seem to be so sure that he missed something.
Have you been a trial the way it is? It is very troublesome getting thrown into observer mode for 5 mins every 10-15 mins...

If stefan didn't want trials getting to kingdom islands then he would have banned them from doing so... the only reason they can't get on boats is because of trials being able to get easter items using boats...

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

Why don't people bother Bjorn. He's supposed to be handling this stuff also.

last time I bugged bjorn about anything he said he was no longer an admistrator on gk.

[MajinDragon]

Originally Posted by ViperZakuto

Have you even mapped out all of the kingdom dungeons? the levels are pretty damn big... that was my point.

They aren't part of the gmap

Originally Posted by ViperZakuto

because he is the person who put them there... and he is the one getting paid to make sure he looks at these things...

You can't expect him to get everything right on every update...

Originally Posted by ViperZakuto

I don't but you sure seem to be so sure that he missed something.
Have you been a trial the way it is? It is very troublesome getting thrown into observer mode for 5 mins every 10-15 mins...

So what? Their items are saved now, so that observer mode shouldn't be that bad...

Originally Posted by ViperZakuto

If stefan didn't want trials getting to kingdom islands then he would have banned them from doing so... the only reason they can't get on boats is because of trials being able to get easter items using boats...

Wrong. They can't use boats because when trial isle was still around, boats were used by trials to access mainland and thats how they got banned. Twas not about getting items easier.

[Ravenblade1979]

Originally Posted by MajinDragon

They aren't part of the gmap

No they aren't part of the main dungeon gmap but you seen the size of them all do you honestly think they could have put them all on one?? No. I figure as they are linked with the main dungeon they are a part of it although they are different gmaps.

Originally Posted by MajinDragon

You can't expect him to get everything right on every update...

Yeah people don't seem to realize that he has a lot more then GK to take care of. Besides I believe Bjorn made a hiring topic for GK dev. Not Kindoms themselves but GK. So if you people want to complain that much Bjorn offered positions to do projects for GK. All you needed to know was LAT and basic script.

Originally Posted by MajinDragon

So what? Their items are saved now, so that observer mode shouldn't be that bad...

There is a problem with this. They are buying out all the stuff that actual gold subscribers are looking for and thats really unfair. We paid our money why should they get items we are looking for when they don't even plan on getting a gold subscription. And before you argue on this point you know its true. What if they started cornering the market in gold keys? You would be really mad and you know it.

Originally Posted by MajinDragon

Wrong. They can't use boats because when trial isle was still around, boats were used by trials to access mainland and thats how they got banned. Twas not about getting items easier.

Oh I remember this. You had to get a gold subscription to use the ferry to main land. Yeah this is still a gold idea.

Now to touch on another subject. Houses. Should they be allowed to build because I seen a few advertising to buy a house kit.

[Gothika]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

Now to touch on another subject. Houses. Should they be allowed to build because I seen a few advertising to buy a house kit.

I don't think they should be able to make, or even own a house. Graal Kingdoms might aswell be free if they can make a house.

[Ravenblade1979]

Originally Posted by Gothika

I don't think they should be able to make, or even own a house. Graal Kingdoms might aswell be free if they can make a house.

Agreed