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Old 05-04-2007, 08:46 PM
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To be honest, it's better to just accept that these people don't get paid then trying to justify payment with a tag. We all know we're not getting paid, if we wanted payment we wouldn't be doing the jobs on Graal that's getting done. What you're saying is payment isn't anywhere near what pay should be for some work that is done, and the time and effort being put into projects.
That observation is ridiculous because it ignores the assumed payout I hope everyone enjoys: the fun of making something.

If you don't like your job, and you don't need what it's paying (in this case, a tag, RC, building a portfolio, preexisting live server), DON'T APPLY FOR THE JOB. I can't make it any clearer than that. I justify it exactly this way. If you want the chance to create the closest thing to your own personal MMOG you'll ever see, apply for a job at Delteria. We are offering some things I assure you no other server, live or dev, can offer you. The server is at a unique point in the development stage where it would be VERY prudent of an aspiring developer to jump in.

You have to sit back and ask yourself for a second: why would someone want to learn to develop if they didn't enjoy it? Moreover, why would someone learn to develop if they didn't plan on using their skills? If RC isn't a good enough payout for you, being able to see people enjoying a completed playerworld sure as hell should be. If it's not, maybe you ought to take the hint and quit your job, because that is the type of reward developing offers.

Delteria offers a particularly high amount of opportunities for people with skill sets that may be considered useless, unpolished, or impractical. This is a good chance to make a name for yourself in the development community. Those opportunities come with responsibilities. You do what we say. That is how the server is being operated. If you don't like my policy, if you think you're an exception, if you don't feel like you're being paid what you're worth, if you think you can do better, or if you've got some other issue, there are exactly three solutions. First, don't apply for the job. Second, talk to Cloven and set up something with him. Third, find something better to do with your time, like working for another server or starting a playerworld of your own. I don't care which one you choose, but to complain about an opportunity being offered to you is so profoundly irrational I cannot even tell why people are still talking about it. I seriously doubt any other playerworld can offer what Delteria is currently offering, why is it so bad it comes with requirements, duties, procedures, and actual responsibility?
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Old 05-04-2007, 09:19 PM
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I seriously doubt any other playerworld can offer what Delteria is currently offering, why is it so bad it comes with requirements, duties, procedures, and actual responsibility?
Oh boy, I was on your side until you had to post that.
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Old 05-04-2007, 09:36 PM
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Oh boy, I was on your side until you had to post that.
This ISN'T ABOUT SIDES.

Seriously, I love to argue as much as the next guy, but there's no right or wrong here. If you disagree with what Delteria can offer you - that is, if the possibility for easy advancement, preexisting live server, chance to build your portfolio, RC, and presumably, fun - DON'T APPLY. I'm not going to change my policy for an applicant (although Cloven might, so if you think you're good, see him), much less an ideologue. It's senseless and proves nothing.
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Old 05-04-2007, 10:11 PM
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This ISN'T ABOUT SIDES.
Sorry for not being clear enough, how can I put it.. I agreed with every word you said, and I was even considering to offer to help.. until you basically said that Delteria is the only under construction server with any potential out there.
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We are offering some things I assure you no other server, live or dev, can offer you. The server is at a unique point in the development stage where it would be VERY prudent of an aspiring developer to jump in.
Oh ho ho. That is quite amusing my man. You must not get out much?
You are still using classic bodies and you are saying Deteria is the best server so far (or rather is the only server that can offer you something that could be better).
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Old 05-04-2007, 10:41 PM
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...you are saying Deteria is the best server so far (or rather is the only server that can offer you something that could be better).

I wonder how many servers have claimed this?
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Old 05-05-2007, 05:30 AM
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That observation is ridiculous because it ignores the assumed payout I hope everyone enjoys: the fun of making something.
I don't mind what you're doing. Good luck with it.
But really... it is volunteer, whether they enjoy it, or they get a tag or not, it is. I just feel the 'payout' isn't really equivalent to some of the talents on Graal. Not saying you're not going to get anybody, I just don't think anyone can repay some of the work that gets put into Graal with a tag and RC, even if they enjoy it.
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Old 05-05-2007, 05:44 AM
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I don't mind what you're doing. Good luck with it.
But really... it is volunteer, whether they enjoy it, or they get a tag or not, it is. I just feel the 'payout' isn't really equivalent to some of the talents on Graal. Not saying you're not going to get anybody, I just don't think anyone can repay some of the work that gets put into Graal with a tag and RC, even if they enjoy it.
I enjoy the prospect of a satisfied and growing community, personally.
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