Classic Progress Report. - Page 2

p2p_Sir_Link · #16 05-20-2005, 04:07 AM

This will be where I announce it then. I got a level set from a few days before the NPC-Server came in, and I've uploaded it to a server. I've assembled a few staff members so far, and I don't want to get anymore until I get Stefan's approval to do this. Mostly, I have good classic players, and ex-classic staff assisting with converting the server to comply with the NPC-Server, and rebuilding the levels. Stefan, if it is ok, can I continue work on this project and submit it to you directly when it is completed?

Andy0687 · #17 05-20-2005, 05:22 AM

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*bump*

I would purchase the levels & server space to rescript the REAL classic.

Are you talking as far back as that Trial run with Graal 2000 or whatever, hell i dont even remember what it was now but it ruled.

I would more then happily lend support to see something like this done, i loved that stuff, hung out on that server almost all the time.

maximus_asinus · #18 05-20-2005, 02:23 PM

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Are you talking as far back as that Trial run with Graal 2000 or whatever, hell i dont even remember what it was now but it ruled.

I was the Manager for that server during the first year, before I gave it to Muddy.
I guess it'd follow the same sort of guidelines, it wouldn't replace classic (unless it was truly better then the original, in which case it should take over that space). In this case, none of the original levels would be changed, just rescripted to comply to NPC Server demands (although some useless levels could be eliminated).

Admins · #19 05-20-2005, 03:20 PM

It's sad to see people posting stuff about things they don't know of. Ask Storm if you can help with stuff, he would probably be happy about experienced level makers, scripters, gfx people. The old classic levels are not working anymore and if you think you can make them work on npcserver in one week then you don't know anything. The scripts were made for clientside stuff, no security or synchronization or optimization which you need if you do things on a server-based system. All levels need to be fixed to work with the new systems. It is also better to change everything at once instead of hacking one part and needing to redo everything again in two weeks later when another part is modified. You can easier expand if you have a good working base system. Storm was mainly doing that first. I did the same thing with Zone, now I can easily add new stuff. The same thing is planned for Graal Kingdoms using the new mudlib which is much more easy to modify than the old system.

maximus_asinus · #20 05-20-2005, 03:34 PM

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It's sad to see people posting stuff about things they don't know of. Ask Storm if you can help with stuff, he would probably be happy about experienced level makers, scripters, gfx people.

I was a LAT for Storm, and during the two months or so that I worked there, we were assigned basically nothing. He does little to no work on Classic, I doubt we've seen a serious updated for weeks, nay months.

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The old classic levels are not working anymore and if you think you can make them work on npcserver in one week then you don't know anything.

First off, insulting our intelligence isn't nice, and you managed to take my statement and twist it around. The levels that Storm made for the current classic were just rips of the old levels for the most part. These levels, mixed with the few scripts would take only a week. The movement and hit detection? Shouldn't of ever happened. The default system works a lot better. With Storm's system, you can kill people who pause, (I reported this bug several months ago, and has yet to be fixed). I've also heard that you can turn invisible and run around.

As for the rest of what you said, I bet if you gave us some time to work on a classic level set, I'd bet we'd make a working classic. We could convert and rework the systems. Granted it would take awhile, but dev classic had 3+ years to work on their classic, we should be allowed even a quarter of that time to work on ours.

maximus_asinus · #21 05-20-2005, 05:24 PM

I've noticed how the server is slowly turning into a Ventrue controlled domain. They have a number of Ventrue hangouts spread accross the map, even under the AC Cloud which was promised to someone else a long time ago (don't even believe anyone should have a house under the AC cloud, you're changing Classic if you do). Tyhm tried to prevent this sort of thing from happening, from Ventrue taking over Classic, and now its happened. If I remember correctly, this was the same type of thing that killed Enigma, The Flames took over the server. Its being repeated on Classic aswell. Oh well, if nothing will be done about this, we'll see Classic fall off the playerlist, and maybe a Classic clone will take its place.

nikomi946 · #22 05-20-2005, 06:10 PM

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I've noticed how the server is slowly turning into a Ventrue controlled domain. They have a number of Ventrue hangouts spread accross the map, even under the AC Cloud which was promised to someone else a long time ago (don't even believe anyone should have a house under the AC cloud, you're changing Classic if you do). Tyhm tried to prevent this sort of thing from happening, from Ventrue taking over Classic, and now its happened.

Again, you are misinformed Max. Ventrue has been a major part of Classic for a very long time. We happen to be the ones who are sticking it out the most so don't blame us for being a large part of the server. As far as the AC cloud level going to a Ventrue, you are also misinformed. The Catacombs have been made for a few years now. We first recieved permission from Tyhm for that location. We then recieved it again from Storm. It was an accident that it had been forgotten and permission was given by Selflon for another guild. Since the location under Angel Clan happens to be Demon Clan it seems only fitting don't you think?

We would welcome another guild to come and be as big a part of Classic as we are. It would give us some much needed activity. -Bell Darkmane-

maximus_asinus · #23 05-20-2005, 06:30 PM

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Again, you are misinformed Max. Ventrue has been a major part of Classic for a very long time.

How am I misinformed? I think my observations are accurate. Just because Ventrue has been around for so long, (hell, US has been around for aslong, but I didn't throw US levels everywhere when I was LAT, that'd be an abuse of my power. Oh wait, you people did it) doesn't give you the right to remold classic into your view.

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We happen to be the ones who are sticking it out the most so don't blame us for being a large part of the server.

Hell, why not stick around if you're in Ventrue, pretty much anything that you make would be uploaded do to the fact that so many of them have rights to do so.

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We first recieved permission from Tyhm for that location.

Why didn't he upload it?

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Since the location under Angel Clan happens to be Demon Clan it seems only fitting don't you think?

Calling it demon clan doesn't change the fact that is was made for Ventrue, by Ventrue, and called Ventrues.

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We would welcome another guild to come and be as big a part of Classic as we are. It would give us some much needed activity.

It seems to me that another guild, CO, tried to make a guild house but was overruled by Ventrue. You didn't need another entrance for that blasted maze, you could have given it up to another guild.

Tyhm tried to prevent something like this from happening, Ventrue remaking levels for there own benefit.

[edit]Now I'll try and get this back on track, I made this thread to get permission to rescript a version of Classic, or to have someone else take over Storm's position as Manager.[/edit]

EvilOmniscience · #24 05-20-2005, 06:43 PM

Minor note:
Just because YOU can't see things being changed, does not mean that things are stagnant.

Major note:
Ventrue's 'hangouts' were pre-emptively designed. They'd been in the works for at least 3 years, that I am aware of. They were designed to be as NPCserver compliant as they could be, ahead of the fact.
And whoops, some stuff is still broken... Can't catch everything I suppose

Macabre's is also online. Come to think of it, a number of player submissions are online.

Compatability is a key issue here. We're not going to upload something that's excessively broken, nor do we have the time to fix every single issue with every player submission. If its minor and easily fixed, we might. But as far as player submissions go... It is not our job to fix every little snafu. It is the responsibility of the submitter.
NOM had a very nice castle, BUT, I, personally, don't have the time OR the patience, that it would take to convert 150 levels of ancient npcs. (which is why it's not up)

Base point: the levels/NPC's that are online as playerlevels are online because they met the standards required, or were easily adjusted to meet them.
Want a playerhouse/level/world uploaded? sure, we can do that, just make sure it works first.

just my two cents... flame it all you like, I don't care.
That's all I've got to say.
*closes firefox*

-Thermo

maximus_asinus · #25 05-20-2005, 06:55 PM

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Little Rant

For one thing, Thermo neglected to mention that he is in Ventrue, he is defending this position because he's part of the problem, another staff member who has too much rights, and abuses them to benefit his guild.

As for player submissions, a number of those belong to Staff members, even mine was uploaded when I was LAT (although not by me, as LATs having uploading powers is insanity). The rest of which is garbage, because of poorly reviewed levels, some pretty bad levels have been put up. Tyhm would never have accepted this. He would never of uploaded the Ventrue guildhouse if the OW was as small as this either.

Oh I long for a real Classic.

[edit]I'd love to hear some input from you Storm, you've been rather quiet, do not think this will blow over like other classic threads gone bad, I won't let it[/edit]

Stev579 · #26 05-20-2005, 07:30 PM

The fact that the Ventrue guildhouse thrived is because Ventrue had the time, the resources and the skills to produce what you see today. The levels are uploaded because they have been NPC Server compliant for a very long time. The levels are uploaded because they add content to the server. The levels are uploaded because they look half decent.

Don't think that the Catcombs shouldn't be uploaded because the overworld is so small, think of the Catacombs as an "underworld." They are underground, afterall. Exploring them gives the bored population something to do for a while. They are ever changing, so expect something new every so often.

As for the house under Angel Clan - it's just a door - a door that you can't see, leading to a "dark" (if you will) version of Angel Clan. For all you know, it could have been there for years and you still wouldn't have found it. You ask why Tyhm didn't upload it? Ask yourself how often Tyhm uploaded anything remotely useful/interesting in the last few months/years of his managerial career. There's your answer. If you're so bothered about Classic being changed, then why not complain about something a little more substantial, like the mountains in the north? It makes sense to complain about a multi-level mountain range than a petty 4x4 hidden door.

Referring to what Bell said, Ventrue has been a part of Graal Classic for a long time. I can safely say that without us, Classic would now be nothing.

With regards to poor quality levels and poorly reviewed levels being uploaded, I think that quantity is more important than quality at the moment. You basically said so yourself. By the way, what's the deal with your house? How can you justify your house being online? "Under construction," yet you say that an under construction server should be placed on the Hosted tab? Does something similar not apply to your playerhouse?

Stefan knows what he is talking about. You are foolish to question him, afterall, look at all of the work and progress he has contributed towards Graal, and then look at the work you've done.

You know why your quest levels remained untouched, either that or Storm saw them and thought they sucked or didn't fit in with Classic's theme, and politely left them to be forgotten about.

Of the population that plays Classic, there are only a handful of upstarts who actively complain about how Classic is run. The rest of the population are seemingly content. This leads me to believe that Storm is doing a good job.

I understand that Storm and Selflon are not the most active of staff members, however they do have important university educations to complete. Seeking a replacement for themselves would involve taking someone who doesn't originate from Classic. Consequently, they would make "non-Classic" changes and piss everyone off. You can't, and won't, win.

maximus_asinus · #27 05-20-2005, 07:50 PM

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