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[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Frankie

just because your corrupted, disturbed, and sick mind thinks of a certain tragic event in history when you see this event doesn't mean it should be renamed.

Yeah, I'm totally corrupted, disturbed and have a sick mind.

[Baszle]

Originally Posted by Frankie

just because your corrupted, disturbed, and sick mind thinks of a certain tragic event in history when you see this event doesn't mean it should be renamed.

The event should be renamed in my opinion. How can you not think back to the holocaust especially since most schools teach you about it.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Baszle

The event should be renamed in my opinion. How can you not think back to the holocaust especially since most schools teach you about it.

Because "gas chamber" does not specifically refer to the Holocaust. You're only thinking of it because you want to be.

There's no reason to rename the event; that's like saying we should conform to everyone by bending out of our way to make sure no one is offended by stupid stuff like this.

If the event continues to be mishosted, however, perhaps a name change would be needed since Squirt/Maverick (passing the blame) can't seem to find good ETs .

[jorollychu]

guns should be removed from era they remind me too much of all the school shootings

[BlueMelon]

Its a chamber full of Gas..
Thats what the event is..

[Crimson2005]

Why call it gas chamber then? its not just gas that is being used in the event, there is bullets, sleep, poison etc. Fair enough "it doesn't specifically refer to the holocaust" but I bet that the holocaust was the basis of the idea and you know it.

[jorollychu]

i thought gas chambers were sugar coated propaganda and that the holocaust involved something much more sinister

[Switch]

Originally Posted by Crimson2005

Why call it gas chamber then? its not just gas that is being used in the event, there is bullets, sleep, poison etc. Fair enough "it doesn't specifically refer to the holocaust" but I bet that the holocaust was the basis of the idea and you know it.

It definitely was.

Concentration Camp for EC.

[HarlemBalla]

Originally Posted by Switch

It definitely was.

No, just because the event was labeled that way doesn't mean the creator of the event had that in mind. The event was probably a developed idea from Panther International's noob trap.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Switch

It definitely was.

The event is not called "concentration camp", it is called "Gas Chamber". The events team member chose to host it with some choice words that ended up getting him fired.

[Switch]

Originally Posted by HarlemBalla

No, just because the event was labeled that way doesn't mean the creator of the event had that in mind. The event was probably a developed idea from Panther International's noob trap.

Originally Posted by cbk1994

The event is not called "concentration camp", it is called "Gas Chamber". The events team member chose to host it with some choice words that ended up getting him fired.

I was talking about the message.

[sam_is_me]

Just think about the logic you guys are using to want a name change here:
the event which is a chamber and has gas is named "gas chamber". That offends you because of the "holocaust" in history.

With that logic, some kid killing them on Era with an m4 could offend someone because their uncle got shot in the past, with an m4 and died.
I'm stretching some, but still. Same basic, stupid logic.

[Switch]

Originally Posted by sam_is_me

Just think about the logic you guys are using to want a name change here:
the event which is a chamber and has gas is named "gas chamber". That offends you because of the "holocaust" in history.

With that logic, some kid killing them on Era with an m4 could offend someone because their uncle got shot in the past, with an m4 and died.
I'm stretching some, but still. Same basic, stupid logic.

The event, to what I've seen, has dangerous things like bullets and poison, which doesn't mean gas.

The holocaust was on a global scale, and not just a unique (by that I mean it happened to like 1 person) occurance.

[LordSquirt]

The event was stolen from the GP room I got uploaded which I stole from one of Icarus' levels.

[sam_is_me]

Originally Posted by Switch

The event, to what I've seen, has dangerous things like bullets and poison, which doesn't mean gas.

The holocaust was on a global scale, and not just a unique (by that I mean it happened to like 1 person) occurance.

It has bullets, explosions, and gas. And that's why I said I was stretching some.

[Switch]

Originally Posted by sam_is_me

It has bullets, explosions, and gas. And that's why I said I was stretching some.

Then it could be called Bullet Chamber or Explosion Chamber, or even better Bullet And Gas and Explosion Chamber.

[sam_is_me]

Survival

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by Rufus

Yeah, I'm totally corrupted, disturbed and have a sick mind.

Originally Posted by Baszle

The event should be renamed in my opinion. How can you not think back to the holocaust especially since most schools teach you about it.

I was being sarcastic. I also agree that it should be renamed. there's no harm in doing so and it'll take like 5 seconds.

[Shadow5596321]

less qq more pew pew

[Venom_Fish]

Originally Posted by sam_is_me

Just think about the logic you guys are using to want a name change here:
the event which is a chamber and has gas is named "gas chamber". That offends you because of the "holocaust" in history.

With that logic, some kid killing them on Era with an m4 could offend someone because their uncle got shot in the past, with an m4 and died.
I'm stretching some, but still. Same basic, stupid logic.

That's society for you. Each individual's perspective is their reality, but normally we wouldn't alter any portion of society based on a single individual's perspective (unless he has a massive amount of power) ex. Hitler.

We normally alter portions of society based on the "collective" perspectives, hence Democracy. I don't know if Era is a democracy, but if it were, yeah. If collectively the perspectives of everyone felt that the M4 was offensive, again, in a "democracy" it'd be removed.

That's the flaw with democracy, rather than being guided by logic... they're manipulated by the tyranny of the fickle-minded "majority".

From the looks of Era, its more of a dictatorship... so it may not be the case.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Venom_Fish

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As you well know, servers can't be run as democracies. If this kind of thing is offensive to the majority of players, or even a good portion of them, then we will deal with it, but I believe it's fine as it is right now.

[The411]

There is no need to contact PWA's to look into this matter. The event is called "gas chamber"

It's not in anyway shape or form as Sales said as to represent or resemble the holocaust.

If you feel that by reading "Gas Chamber" it has to do something with the holocaust, it's YOU that has a problem. There are gas chambers used for people convicted to death sentences, and also they use them in training of military services. If you make the connection to the holocaust and assume that we're talking about Nazis and Hitler, then you seriously need to get your sick mind checked out.

As the Events Team Admin, I sincerely apologize for the actions done by my ET. He has been fired and we will look into making sure that this never happens again, because this is the second (or third) time it has happened.

Originally Posted by Switch

Then it could be called Bullet Chamber or Explosion Chamber, or even better Bullet And Gas and Explosion Chamber.

I'm not changing the event name. It's fine, I don't wanna use those other names cause "Bullet Chamber" sounds retarded. "Explosion Chamber" sounds just as retarded, and i'm not even gonna take time out to type the last one, cause it's equally, if not then more retarded.

You can get a global to talk to me if they think the word is innappropriate. Gas chambers aren't just from the holocaust, you need to read up on things more often.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by The411

If you make the connection to the holocaust and assume that we're talking about Nazis and Hitler, then you seriously need to get your sick mind checked out.

I don't really think that's fair to say; many people may think about it. I did as well. What is weird to me is that people are offended by it.

[Venom_Fish]

I'm awfully sure, stating their opinions/suggestions for amending the problem are "retarded" doesn't pose any assistance toward the situation.
Might want to change your tone to a less aggressive one. You can't insult those offended and then say, "We'll look into the matter"... not really "reassuring" if I might add.

In any event, "Bullet Chamber" or "Explosive Chamber" don't sound so bad, I think "Survival" would be better. Seeing as that is where the event revolves around, and anyone who makes a connection to the holocaust with that title is simply going to extraneous lengths to make the link.

To Chris: It obviously is offensive to players, I mean the concept of the event is retarded as-is, why can't it be reinvented? No one actually gets "excited" when they see ""Gas Chamber" is being hosted by ....."", its not popular at all. You won't receive any counteraction in changing it.

[Vman13x]

Lol, wil since I never see you in gas chamber I doubt youd know.
Many players join gas chamber whenever its hosted, and once the winner has been chosen the players are usually asking to do it for fun again.

[sam_is_me]

Just solve this:
Change it to "Survival", not that big of a deal.
It doesn't offend me, and I don't see why it WOULD offend any of you, but it obviously does, so I say change it to avoid any further conflict.

Just my opinion, though.

[BlueMelon]

Originally Posted by sam_is_me

Just solve this:
Change it to "Survival", not that big of a deal.
It doesn't offend me, and I don't see why it WOULD offend any of you, but it obviously does, so I say change it to avoid any further conflict.

Just my opinion, though.

Sorry i get offended by the title survial thinking of the poor children with no food or shelter,
Also for the pandas.

[Crono]

@ the411, I think the problem is the fact that the ET also announced "Concentration Camp" for an event called Gas Chamber. It's not hard to guess what this is a reference to. Personally I don't really care, it is of poor taste but then again so is Era.

[sam_is_me]

Originally Posted by BlueMelon

Sorry i get offended by the title survial thinking of the poor children with no food or shelter,
Also for the pandas.

rofl.

[BlueMelon]

Originally Posted by sam_is_me

rofl.

Not even Joking.

[Codein]

Yeah, Concentration Camp is poor taste but changing the name from Gas Chamber is being a bit too politically correct. In that case, Era shouldn't have guns, since guns have killed more people than gas chambers ever have. In that case, Era shouldn't have gangs. I could go on forever.

Some states in the USA have gas chambers, used from the 20s to kill criminals (which is also another question of human rights).

The only reason why you should REALLY be making the connection between the Holocaust and this event is because of an ET's immature and poor taste. Gas Chambers are in use today, and evidence suggests from Napoleonic times aswell. It's just a form of murder, which the Nazis made use of.

Hey, the Nazis shot racial minorities aswell! Again, should guns be removed from Era because of this? Because not only did they kill millions of ethnic minorities but millions others worldwide aswell?

[sam_is_me]

finally some sense being made

[Venom_Fish]

If only it were that simple, I'll be the first to admit the link to the Holocaust didn't exactly flare in my mind when the event was called "Gas Chamber". Once the ET altered the name during his host, its the only link I can make whenever I think of the event. Gas Chambers may be used in today's society for other purposes, but just like the "F" word, it isn't exactly "accepted" by the civilized part of society.

Like I said, logic isn't all there is to a matter... you can preach logic all you want to a society of monkeys and tell them that Apples>Bananas. They are the majority, and from their perspective, Bananas>Apples... so therefore they'll see it blasphemous to insult their beliefs.

Use of guns may be logically much deadlier to society than a "Gas Chamber", but in perspective they're more offended by a Gas Chamber than a Bazooka.

Which brings me to my initial argument, their thoughts on the matter wasn't activated until this incident. Due to the incident, their comments will be more ramped than ever. The simplest solution is to change the name to a "safer" and more accepted title, or concept. "Survival"... I don't see the what the big deal is in that. Other words, give the monkeys their Bananas and move on.

As for you DT: You're an individual, you being offended by that total holds as little weigh as a feather. Now if the entirety of the server supported you on that matter, it'd be another discussion.

[Codein]

If they feel so strongly about the subject, then why don't they petition for them not to be used as form of execution amongst the world? Crying about them on a game is a little pathetic if they're perfectly fine with them being used elsewhere.

I'm sorry, I just can't see the sense in the argument. You've even said yourself that the only link with past atrocities was brought up due to the wording by the ET.

Scenario:

A gang kills the president with an AK-47. This gang, let's say, is of hispanic origin. Should LC be removed? Should the AK-47 be removed?

It's just silly. The member of staff has been fired. Changing the name of the event won't change anything. Those of you who were around to see it will remember the event and this mishap, even with a new name. Those who are new wouldn't know any better either way.

Either way, in my opinion, the whole events system could be pulled off WAY more professionally anyway (not just here but on most other servers aswell) and the way this event is entered is fine example of this.

[BlueMelon]

Originally Posted by Venom_Fish

As for you DT: You're an individual, you being offended by that total holds as little weigh as a feather. Now if the entirety of the server supported you on that matter, it'd be another discussion.

It was a poor example.

[Venom_Fish]

You're missing my point here, Codein.
I never said it was "appropriate" nor logical, in fact I stated it was quite the opposite.
Sadly, logic doesn't rule the world and most-definitely doesn't rule a 2D Video Game.

On the matter of your example, it is never dependent on what happens. It is dependent on the REACTION of people, if the entirety of Era demands that LC be removed... yeah, LC should be removed. Its not logical, but like I said... our world nor this game is NOT ruled by logic. Why? Because logic isn't the source of thought for a vast majority of man kind, and in order to rule man (successfully with their support), you must think like man.

Ex. We watch Television, logically it drains our brain faster than age itself. Entertainment doesn't outweigh knowledge, logically... yet we ignore that concept and a vast majority indulge in this activity without thinking twice.

I never the link never crossed my mind, I said it didn't "flare" as in wasn't dormant enough to speak of until this incident. Now it is and mostly because of the relationship of the two titles. I mean they literally used GAS CHAMBERS to annihilate countless unarmed INNOCENT civilians. I'm not worried about capital punishment.
However, "Survival" is a more ambiguous title, on the minds of many it could mean many things. Instead of one clear, concise, and terrifying relation.

[Codein]

Originally Posted by Venom_Fish

You're missing my point here, Codein.
I never said it was "appropriate" nor logical, in fact I stated it was quite the opposite.
Sadly, logic doesn't rule the world and most-definitely doesn't rule a 2D Video Game.

On the matter of your example, it is never dependent on what happens. It is dependent on the REACTION of people, if the entirety of Era demands that LC be removed... yeah, LC should be removed. Its not logical, but like I said... our world nor this game is NOT ruled by logic. Why? Because logic isn't the source of thought for a vast majority of man kind, and in order to rule man (successfully with their support), you must think like man.

Ex. We watch Television, logically it drains our brain faster than age itself. Entertainment doesn't outweigh knowledge, logically... yet we ignore that concept and a vast majority indulge in this activity without thinking twice.

I never the link never crossed my mind, I said it didn't "flare" as in wasn't dormant enough to speak of until this incident. Now it is and mostly because of the relationship of the two titles. I mean they literally used GAS CHAMBERS to annihilate countless unarmed INNOCENT civilians. I'm not worried about capital punishment.
However, "Survival" is a more ambiguous title, on the minds of many it could mean many things. Instead of one clear, concise, and terrifying relation.

Do you know my point? If not:

The players are being really silly, considering they tolerated, even enjoyed, this event with it's current name and now, because of this fiasco, they're screaming for a name change. Don't you agree it's just a bit silly?

[Vman13x]

I agree with you codein.

[The411]

Codein, you have pretty much summed up what I thought but couldn't quite put it in to words. Thank you.

[death_striker]

Originally Posted by switch

i was talking about the message.

lol!