Era Updates!

[Thanatoses]

Well, thats you. Don't complain when you wake up with roaches bitin ya ass.

[Scary_Sock]

Ahahha

[Frankie]

some things about the new BHer system:

- skulls should only show above people if you're accepting bounties. I find it annoying that I'm not even doing bounties yet I have to see every one with a skull over their head. either make it only viewable by people who are doing bounties or make an option to disable it.

- if you have a bounty on you, you shouldn't be able to see a skull over your own head. if you do, you'll be extra cautious. it would be a lot better if you didn't know you had a hit on you.

[DuBsTeRmAn]

Would be better yes, that you can go to Bounty Hunter.. And when you select a person you are going to hunt you see the skull above that person..

[DarkIceX]

Originally Posted by Frankie

some things about the new BHer system:

- skulls should only show above people if you're accepting bounties. I find it annoying that I'm not even doing bounties yet I have to see every one with a skull over their head. either make it only viewable by people who are doing bounties or make an option to disable it.

- if you have a bounty on you, you shouldn't be able to see a skull over your own head. if you do, you'll be extra cautious. it would be a lot better if you didn't know you had a hit on you.

Vouch. All the skull is doing is making people hide in no-PK areas when they see the skull and having a bunch of bounties unattainable because they won't leave unstick for fear of being killed.

Although, may be nice for an NPC at BHer or at unstick that you can pay say 50$ for them to tip you off on whether you have a bounty or not and how many people (not who) have accepted the bounty and are currently hunting you.

This money can be taken out of the economy or put back in, in the form of NPC-controlled bounties.

[salesman]

The main purpose of the skull is so you know you can't trust anyone. You know there's a bounty on your head, and you know anyone out there could've accepted it. Part of bounty hunting is getting the target out into the open...somewhere where you can kill them. If they want hide, more power to them...just makes that bounty even more of a challenge. I doubt someone will never leave unstick me ever again because of the skull on their head.

I'll look into hiding the skull, but it will probably require me to create some work-around script with a timeout instead of just using a player.attr[]. I don't see how it's annoying...no more annoying than a shield, head, body, etc

[Thanatoses]

Uh, even if the skulls were gone, their level of caution still would be high after your first attempt.

90 Percent of hunting is using trickery, the bounties you claim without tricking the player are the ones that really have no meaning. I'm known for tricking everyone, even staff into going where I need them, get creative.... and stop complaining.

In any event, Sales... which one of you deleted Bounty Hunter, you or Chris?

[salesman]

Originally Posted by Thanatoses

In any event, Sales... which one of you deleted Bounty Hunter, you or Chris?

It wasn't the sole decision of one person.

[Thanatoses]

You could've saved me this step, Daz wasn't a part of it nor was Squirt (I was told by them). So it was a joint actiom by the two of you? (Sales and Chris Vimes)

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Thanatoses

You could've saved me this step, Daz wasn't a part of it nor was Squirt (I was told by them). So it was a joint actiom by the two of you? (Sales and Chris Vimes)

Yes, it was agreed on by both of us, though I won't bother explaining our reasoning since I'm sure you've already decided why we did it.

[Thanatoses]

Not at all, I wouldn't bother asking a question in which I knew the answer to. So I'm all ears, I'd have preferred such a discussion beforehand, but better late than never.

So lets hear it, unless you want to get private (messages).

[salesman]

Squirt knew, he just didn't really voice his opinion on the matter at all...but it seems like common sense if you're going to create a publicized system for an already existing private business, the business isn't going to stick around.

[Thanatoses]

Personally, I didn't care much for the system because I was told it'd co-exist with the private, by Chris Vimes.

Its not so much common sense because no one expecially me saw a publicized system making it impossoble or difficult for the original tp exist.

If you want, to clarify my point I can forward a message I sent to Squirt, to you.

[salesman]

Originally Posted by Thanatoses

Personally, I didn't care much for the system because I was told it'd co-exist with the private, by Chris Vimes.

Its not so much common sense because no one expecially me saw a publicized system making it impossoble or difficult for the original tp exist.

If you want, to clarify my point I can forward a message I sent to Squirt, to you.

I didn't know that he told you it would co-exist, but I really don't see why he would if that wasn't the plan. Actually, I highly doubt he told you that. If he did though, it was more than likely just to get you off his back.

[Thanatoses]

Unlikely, seeing as he told me that, which was my first knowledge of the publicized system, before that I knew nothing of it.

Also, you haven't answered my question, what was the necessity in deleting the business? I mean overstepping your boundaries, and etc? I mean, you had to know it wouldn't just stop there.

As I pointed out before, the business existing would only benefit the publicized business.

Which leads me to questioning your initial intent, was it to make Bounty Hunting available to other players or was it to nab a slight reason to remove Bounty Hunter?

[cbk1994]

I do not recall telling you that the two systems would coexist, but rather that I did not know all the fine details, but they would coexist from what I understood at the time. Obviously, when learning about some of the other stuff, I decided, with Sales, that it would be best if it did not coexist.

Please stop trying to classify everything I do as some kind of "personal vendetta" against you. It is well known that I do not especially like you, but this does not mean everything I do that is not in your favor was done to hurt you.

[salesman]

Originally Posted by Thanatoses

Unlikely, seeing as he told me that, which was my first knowledge of the publicized system, before that I knew nothing of it.

Also, you haven't answered my question, what was the necessity in deleting the business? I mean overstepping your boundaries, and etc? I mean, you had to know it wouldn't just stop there.

As I pointed out before, the business existing would only benefit the publicized business.

Which leads me to questioning your initial intent, was it to make Bounty Hunting available to other players or was it to nab a slight reason to remove Bounty Hunter?

Actually, this was my motivation:
http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=85158

[Thanatoses]

Motivation to do what? Seeing as like I keep out, deleting a BUSINESS was neither within your right to do or NECESSARY to do in order to create that system. Its existance would not have interferred with your system (I've seen the system).

Leads me to the question you've avoiding, why did you remove it?

[salesman]

Originally Posted by Thanatoses

Motivation to do what? Seeing as like I keep out, deleting a BUSINESS was neither within your right to do or NECESSARY to do in order to create that system. Its existance would not have interferred with your system (I've seen the system).

Leads me to the question you've avoiding, why did you remove it?

Because it was replaced with a public system...

When you're making a new system you do not keep the old one around. That's the way things work. I'm sorry if you feel like you drew the short straw...another example is when Speedy Pizza turned into a public job, the private version was not kept.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Thanatoses

Leads me to the question you've avoiding, why did you remove it?

I won't speak for him, but my reason for wanting to remove it was because I did not feel the two systems could co-exist, especially since the current one had nearly no business.

[DuBsTeRmAn]

Hmm, Bher is public now.. But i saw 2 people wearing a Bounty Hunter tag yesterday? Wtf?

[Thanatoses]

When Speedy Pizza went public, did they delete Dairy Hut and Dippin Donuts? They are all in the same form of business, so once a publicized form was made, why did they still exist?

- Bad example, Jr.

Chris, your reason you just stated was not at all related to the public system, infact... thats a reason / problem that should've been left up to Daz and Squirt. Its business would in no way affect your system, making its deletion an innecessity and unnecessary extention of your power. Which looks to me to be more of a "personal vandetta".

The problem or lack there of a problem with the business could've been with ease fixed.

I speaking with Squirt was going to lower the prices, and expand / renew / fix our system by having SnakeAndy do it for me seeing as you wouldn't assign nor allow your staff members to do it. Which will / would've beyond ALL certainty increased business to where it normally always was.

Do you really think we survived this long by having this level of business?
Didn't think so.

PPA was inactive for over 3 months, leader never on and etc. You all blamed it on their lack of a system (while when I was Head Agent, it ran flawlessly without one).

We have low business and activity for less than a month, and we're deemed hopeless by an Admin who signifies pure negativity for its leader? He GOES out of his way to remove the business.

And you wonder why I and most others on the server yell "personal vandetta"? I think I overestimated your intelligence (LOL).

Anyway, Daz is going to speak with you soon of its return and the system that takes under 2 hours to do. If you won't do it, I'll have Andy or one of the scripters I know do it.

(If you will, ask for the plans so you can see what it consists of).


Their co-existance is beyond a shadow of a doubt possible lol.
Ex. A player can hunt bounties on his own or with a party of friends.

Or he can try to join the Bounty Hunter guild / large business and hunt through with their label, doing other contracts outside of just a single bounty. As most of our income does not come from Bounties.

How could you not have seen that? Unless you didn't want to.
Or didn't care to.

[salesman]

Originally Posted by Thanatoses

When Speedy Pizza went public, did they delete Dairy Hut and Dippin Donuts? They are all in the same form of business, so once a publicized form was made, why did they still exist?

- Bad example, Jr.

PPA is still around

[Thanatoses]

Man, you are indeed predictable.
And a stone cold hypocrite,
if the difference between selling pizza and selling donuts are equal to selling PROTECTION and Bounty Hunting are equal, why didn't you remove PPA? If those differences are equal like you say, I mean DD and DH weren't removed because they had owners.
One might say you were biased to aim at removing Bounty Hunter, since you just ADMITTINGLY stated you chose not to remove PPA. Seeing as its common sense to everyone on Era we always did better, more legit and overall more business than PPA.

Ha, god, you're still as much an idiot as you were a year ago, lol.

[Pelikano]

Originally Posted by Thanatoses

Man, you are indeed predictable.
And a stone cold hypocrite,
if the difference between selling pizza and selling donuts are equal to selling PROTECTION and Bounty Hunting are equal, why didn't you remove PPA? If those differences are equal like you say, I mean DD and DH weren't removed because they had owners.
One might say you were biased to aim at removing Bounty Hunter, since you just ADMITTINGLY stated you chose not to remove PPA. Seeing as its common sense to everyone on Era we always did better, more legit and overall more business than PPA.

Ha, god, you're still as much an idiot as you were a year ago, lol.

I think that PPA should either be removed or there should be a cap of members + a better leader that actually doesn't just pick random newbs, what they do is not protection at all, I mean wtf?

[salesman]

Private pizza business replaced with public pizza making job.
Private bounty hunting business replaced with public bounty hunting job.


Indeed Dairy Hut and Dippin Donuts fall under the same category as Speedy Pizza (food businesses) just as BHer and PPA are often considered to be in the same category. However, making a public pizza job because the private version failed does not mean we should replace the rest of the food businesses, too.

This applies in our current situation. Private Bounty Hunter failed (you're lying to yourself if you say otherwise), was replaced with a public system. I'm not saying PPA is any better, I'd actually prefer it if it were gone as well, however, I don't think we should remove it just because we replaced Bounty Hunter's system. Public protection wouldn't work out very well anyways...


Think of it this way: we didn't just release a new system. We replaced another out-dated and rarely-used one. We upgraded to 2.0

[Thanatoses]

Ha, it failed? You're smoking crack out of all your holes and more. Rofl.

Bounty Hunter was the most profitable business on Era and most sucessful player-owned business. We were NEVER on the chopping board ever in our history due to our productivity and etc. We never failed, you saw it as that because throughout its history and when I came about getting it, I have no doubt you hated the business, and without doubt consider it a failure because it didn't fit your nimrodic ideas. Good thing our goals are not nor ever were to fit your nimrodic ideas, which is why you'll see it return.

The reasons for its low activity and rare use were obvious, it was where it was because it received no attention/assistance. I was banned for that "convenient" time period and etc. It didn't fail, it slowed down and will be brought back up to speed, when that happens, I can't wait to see your hatred for me and the business flare up.

Ironically, your system has less business than the private one received when it was "together". Haha, I know... I've seen it. All you did was allow everyone to hunt bounties? You fixed no problem but your own personal one, you could never be a bounty hunter, never had, never would've... haha.

[Pelikano]

Sales, if you think it failed you're really wrong oO

Let's give you an example of how good BHer was:

When there were BHer hirings (very rare), people would leave Events to join them, meaning ETs couldn't host for 1-2 hours :]

And no I am not kissing Wil's ass, it was just fun to get hunted by BHers that could actually kill you and I loved trying the tryouts.

[salesman]

Originally Posted by Thanatoses

Ha, it failed? You're smoking crack out of all your holes and more. Rofl.

Bounty Hunter was the most profitable business on Era and most sucessful player-owned business. We were NEVER on the chopping board ever in our history due to our productivity and etc. We never failed, you saw it as that because throughout its history and when I came about getting it, I have no doubt you hated the business, and without doubt consider it a failure because it didn't fit your nimrodic ideas. Good thing our goals are not nor ever were to fit your nimrodic ideas, which is why you'll see it return.

The reasons for its low activity and rare use were obvious, it was where it was because it received no attention/assistance. I was banned for that "convenient" time period and etc. It didn't fail, it slowed down and will be brought back up to speed, when that happens, I can't wait to see your hatred for me and the business flare up.

Ironically, your system has less business than the private one received when it was "together". Haha, I know... I've seen it. All you did was allow everyone to hunt bounties? You fixed no problem but your own personal one, you could never be a bounty hunter, never had, never would've... haha.

Yea, this whole thing is because I could never get into bounty hunters. I always thought that all those years of not ever trying to get in would pay off, but I was wrong...and now Bounty Hunter will suffer. sarcasm

Cool, Bounty Hunter was a group of good pkers that everyone apparently wanted to be in...you can go do the same thing with a party or gang.

With the new system 191 bounties have been completed, and about 35k has been removed from the economy in less than a week. I know there's always an initial hype, but I plan on adding some things shortly to make it even more interesting and hopefully keep the bounties rolling.

[Scary_Sock]

Sigh.
When will this end?

[Thanatoses]

In our system's first week, we made 450,000$. You are so in our league, lol.

In any event, your system's success is irrelative to our business's success. If anything, it'd have quite frankly been a competition, rofl. I think thats something you wanted to avoid, where would players place bounties? To an elite band of pkers, or to a random player? Lol. I wonder...

Well, hopefully, we'll soon find out.
Also, if you were able to check how much was taxed from bounty hunter, the numbers would prove to be astronomical no doubt.

So sorry Jr, you ain't doin' anything that we haven't already done, better.

[Vman13x]

I used to be in PPA to protect people but what I realized was that why are people paying money to protect them when they can just get their friends? As for bher people just come up and ask me to let them kill me its pathetic really I liked have bounty hunters around,and now.....

[Thanatoses]

You're not the first one to have said that, majority of the players have been having similar complaints, hopefully Squirt and Daz are on point.

The Pub System is nice, but in no way could or should replace Bounty Hunter. They can co-exist, but the Dev Team didn't like Bounty Hunter in the first place, so they tried to make something to ease players from being too upset at the loss. Doesn't seem to be holding up and its opening week.

People would rather be hunted by someone's job / priority is their death. Rather than someone who could careless either or, they don't have to do it.

Easy to ask your friends to protect you, doubt a FRIEND would chase you up and down Era non-stop just for 75 bucks... but Bounty Hunter sure would. (We were lowering prices to just that after doing some research on the current state of the economy) Ask Squirt.

[salesman]

Originally Posted by Thanatoses

In our system's first week, we made 450,000$. You are so in our league, lol.

Highly, highly doubt it. Most of it probably came from depositing your own money into the safe which most business owners do. The 35k is only how much was taxed after a bounty was completed, 25%...and doesn't include bounties that haven't been completed yet.
Not to mention bounty prices are less than half of what they used to be...I could've kept them high and had mostly the same results (in regards to number of bounties placed).

Originally Posted by Thanatoses

In any event, your system's success is irrelative to our business's success. If anything, it'd have quite frankly been a competition, rofl. I think thats something you wanted to avoid, where would players place bounties? To an elite band of pkers, or to a random player? Lol. I wonder...

Well, hopefully, we'll soon find out.
Also, if you were able to check how much was taxed from bounty hunter, the numbers would prove to be astronomical no doubt.

So sorry Jr, you ain't doin' anything that we haven't already done, better.

We've already proven that people rarely used the private system to place bounties, that's why we removed it...lol

[Thanatoses]

First of all, my NUMBER one rule ask anyone was that no one in Bounty Hunter deposited money to the safe. Only time I ever deposited money was if a player sent me money fron a raid contract (Check it) or if they deposited the pay themselves.
Second of all, doubt it all you want... those that were around back then, know it to be the truth, Icarus was manager at the time, GC was Admin, ask him, ha. That was what it was, bra... your system was far outdone.

Not to mention I have never had 450,000$ cash on me or my atm account.

You've PROVEN what? Roflmao? The two weeks of our lowest inactivity ever, we made over 25 percent of what your system made in its OPENING week. Your system made less than 10 percent of what we made in our opening week? You're outdone already.

If it needed to be removed due to failure, the people who's job it is and who are QUALIFIED to do so, would've done it. Not the ones who were hired to build, not think. Seeing as dumb moves like this are made when you think, rofl.

Think about events, not businesses... hmk?

[salesman]

Originally Posted by Thanatoses

First of all, my NUMBER one rule ask anyone was that no one in Bounty Hunter deposited money to the safe. Only time I ever deposited money was if a player sent me money fron a raid contract (Check it) or if they deposited the pay themselves.
Second of all, doubt it all you want... those that were around back then, know it to be the truth, Icarus was manager at the time, GC was Admin, ask him, ha. That was what it was, bra... your system was far outdone.

You've PROVEN what? Roflmao? The two weeks of our lowest inactivity ever, we made over 25 percent of what your system made in its OPENING week. Your system made less than 10 percent of what we made in our opening week? You're outdone already.

If it needed to be removed due to failure, the people who's job it is and who are QUALIFIED to do so, would've done it. Not the ones who were hired to build, not think. Seeing as dumb moves like this are made when you think, rofl.

Think about events, not businesses... hmk?

First of all, it's not a business, it doesn't make money -- it's a job. Its main purpose isn't to provide a bounty hunting service, it's entertainment. It's more fun to place a bounty on someone hoping to hurt their score, make them paranoid, or deliver a message than to just pay to have them killed, leaving it at that. It's also wayyy more fun to be able to hunt people yourself.

Also, if you factor in the fact that 35k is only the amount removed from taxes, not the total amount spent by players, and the fact that bounties are on average 70% cheaper than before, my total is if not greater than, relatively the same as, the 450k that you cannot substantiate.

[Thanatoses]

If its not a business, but a job. Why was the "business" removed? lol. It doesn't interferre with your "job" as you put it.

And increasing the price means a decrease in bounties, lol... thats pure logic. It will definitely not pass it, nor even get close, lol.

In any matter, if you want someone's score to drop, shouldn't you have the option of selecting "professionals" to do it for you? Which would furthermore promote the business, and players who were killed due to a public bounty might want the hunter hunted down by "professionals", lol.

My point: There is always a generic and name brand form of a product.

Speedy Pizza = Generic
DD and DH = Name Brand

Gun Shop = Generic Ammo
Ammo Mart and GP = Name Brand.

PPA and Bounty Hunter are not the same, and we all know it. Two Diferent Types of Businesses, with two different products.

Your public system = Generic
Bountu Hunter = Name Brand.

Poor people use you for low-quality service, financially comfortable people use us for quality service.

I see competition in that, so does everyone else. Not to mention Bounty Hunter was a GOAL for many pkers.

[salesman]

I believe Chris and I have given you several reasons for removing the business, all of which were more than valid. Though, none of which you seem to accept.

I just stated that the current system is not a service, and adding another system for bounties would be counter-productive.

I can see how hiring "professionals" might be a good idea, but if something like that was added, it wouldn't be in the form of "Bounty Hunter" as you know it, but would most likely be incorporated into the public system.

[CharlieM]

Shouldn't the owner atleast be refunded since I'm assuming he wasn't given any forewarning that their buisness was being closed.

[Thanatoses]

The reasons you have given are a subtotal of none because NONE are valid, not just to me but to anyone but you two.

Reason 1: Business wasn't booming for two weeks.

Circumstances (You seem to have ignored) : Leader was banned at the time, system was malfunctioning, prices were unattended to.

Also neither of you are allowed to delete a business for this reason, lol. This is at the discretion of Daz and Squirt making it further MORE invalid.

Leaving that reason to be invalid.

Reason 2: Impossoble to co-exist.

That was proven wrong long ago, making that invalid.

Thats all I recall, got anymore?

We are the professionals, like I stated no "system" can measure skill to even give you "professionals.

The number one player on your list right now is Rykon, roflmao. He accepted over 150 bounties and failed over 95 percent of them, true professional.