UN Management.

[Andy0687]

Originally Posted by zokemon

Typical Graalian fallacy.
A developer is simply someone (at least on Graal) who leads his/her own projects and have a larger range of rights and staff to use to their avail.

How is what you said any different from what I said with the exception of you trying to jump all over my **** and look hot on a public forum?

A Graalian Developer can lead their own projects just like a NAT or LAT or GFX can, Developers are Multitalented individuals with more then one specality and rights to compensate for that, who still answer to the same people NAT LAT and GFX do, including a chosen "Developer Admin".

[Inspiration]

Being able to lead your own projects doesnt make you a developer at all.

I've seen developers who can't organize a project to save their lives, but they're pretty capable in all fields of development.

Developer, in my terms, is just someone who is capable in a way that I, if I was in the position of a Manager or General Admin, would want directly under my supervision and not under an LAT, GFX, or NAT admin.

[NeoJenova]

In my opinion, UN isnt a hard server to run when you have the time to give it the proper attention.

There is no possible way to make everyone happy on a server with a population like UN. So there will ALWAYS be complaints.

As far as staff, I always prefered to hire people that actually played UN for what it was instead of hiring those who were more skilled from other servers, because those people that play UN would have more incentive to make there home server better rather than just seeing it as a job on a large server.

The problem with that is you tend to run into the age range of 11-17 on UN where maturity isn't neccesarily at its peak. So the work ethic of these young, unpaid, volunteering children aren't exactly something you can control.

I guess what I am trying to get at is, running a server such as UN is very hard unless you can do everything yourself without NEEDING staff to complete or finish projects. Staff should be seen as helping your already smooth running server, adding input, and creativity into what you have created. I found out that giving staff an assignment that you can not do isn't something you can get away with on UN, because more times than not it will not be completed on time... or at all.

What UN needs is a manager that can develop in all positions and has the work ethic to create what he/she invisions. I.E. Liquidice

Atleast that was the problem I continued to run into.

I miss the dream team though... Me, Xec, Manta, Paradox, Pixie, BlooKat, and Samara.... bad ass combination.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by NeoJenova

I miss the dream team though... Me, Xec, Manta, Paradox, Pixie, BlooKat, and Samara.... bad ass combination.

if bloo kat worked there shouldn't we be seeing good graphics?

[NeoJenova]

Originally Posted by Gerami

if bloo kat worked there shouldn't we be seeing good graphics?

his graphics were removed looooong ago man im talkin almost 4-5 years ago b4 his archaic days... he had well over 300 heads and shields on UN all started with blookat-* we ended up having to remove most of them removing some of his NPC and level graphics with them.


UN was blookats first server...


o ya i forgot about UnholySinner aka S][N aka unknown (Unholy)

[Inspiration]

I would never want to Manage UN, the size of the playerbase and the diversity would drive me nuts.

[zokemon]

Originally Posted by Andy0687

How is what you said any different from what I said with the exception of you trying to jump all over my **** and look hot on a public forum?

There is no way I am trying to "look hot on a public forum". Do you honestly think people browse these forums and go "oh my, that guy is so cool how he put that other guy down, I want to be just like him!" No. That does not happen.

Originally Posted by Andy0687

A Graalian Developer can lead their own projects just like a NAT or LAT or GFX can, Developers are Multi-talented individuals with more then one specialty and rights to compensate for that, who still answer to the same people NAT LAT and GFX do, including a chosen "Developer Admin".

A "NAT", "LAT", or "GFX" can not actually (in theory) lead a project since they are hired strictly for doing other people's projects. Why do you think developers are often more respected then your run of the mill scripter, tiler or graphic artist? In fact, scripters with almost no talent in tiling or graphics usually become developers simply because they usually have the most devotion to a server compared to others (not saying all scripters that become developers have no other skills though).

Not trying to pick you out personally, dude; just trying to break all these typical Graal fallacies that exist.

[Demisis_P2P]

Originally Posted by zokemon

Do you honestly think people browse these forums and go "oh my, that guy is so cool how he put that other guy down, I want to be just like him!" No. That does not happen.

Yes it does.

[Inspiration]

Originally Posted by zokemon

There is no way I am trying to "look hot on a public forum". Do you honestly think people browse these forums and go "oh my, that guy is so cool how he put that other guy down, I want to be just like him!" No. That does not happen.

It probably doesnt happen exactly like that, but for whatever reason most posters have other posters they look up to for whatever reason.

Sometimes the reason is because someone constantly puts others down and acts cool.

[Crono]

Huh, I always thought Developer = LAT, GAT, and NAT

[Andy0687]

Originally Posted by zokemon

A "NAT", "LAT", or "GFX" can not actually (in theory) lead a project since they are hired strictly for doing other people's projects.

So is a multitalented developer, i dont understand your point yet.

Why do you think developers are often more respected then your run of the mill scripter, tiler or graphic artist?

To me they arent, they are all equal. Thats what makes a staff team a good staff team is not putting one person above another just because of a silly title.

just trying to break all these typical Graal fallacies that exist.

I just dont know who you are to try to tell everyone else what a graalian developer is when its very obvious that most people would say something similar to what I have said?

[TraxxasMaster]

In my opinion UN staff sucks, Joe could'nt pick good ETs for his life and then Most of the staff just abuse there boots to run on walls so everyone with 100 hours thinks there cool.

[klyde15]

I don't see anything wrong with the ETs Joe hire. Besides that, we're not forcing you to play on this server, even though you're not supposed to.

[SwedishKing]

Originally Posted by TraxxasMaster

In my opinion UN staff sucks, Joe could'nt pick good ETs for his life and then Most of the staff just abuse there boots to run on walls so everyone with 100 hours thinks there cool.

I don't get it, You don't like the UN staff, and the server?
Why are you still creating trials to get able to go on Unholy Nation.
Besides, Joe is problaby the best ETA ever.

stop crying.

[Andy0687]

Originally Posted by SwedishKing

I don't get it, You don't like the UN staff, and the server?
Why are you still creating trials to get able to go on Unholy Nation.

You dont have to like a server to go there and hope for improvement if youve played for a long time and just simply watched it degenerate.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by zokemon

A "NAT", "LAT", or "GFX" can not actually (in theory) lead a project since they are hired strictly for doing other people's projects. Why do you think developers are often more respected then your run of the mill scripter, tiler or graphic artist? In fact, scripters with almost no talent in tiling or graphics usually become developers simply because they usually have the most devotion to a server compared to others (not saying all scripters that become developers have no other skills though).

Not trying to pick you out personally, dude; just trying to break all these typical Graal fallacies that exist.

No, you are incorrect. Developer is a broad umbrella term that encompasses anybody who develops (such as gfx, levels, scripts, sounds, music, animations, etc). Regarding the subject of members of a development staff having projects, this has always varied from server to server and from playerworld to playerworld. I would say over the years I've gained a fair bit of experience in developing for different playerworlds and not once have I ever seen the use of the term "Developer" as you're using it.

The history of "Developer" is that back in the day on Main Server (or Classic or whatever it's called these days) used to have the LAT (Levels Administrative Team) which was charged with the duty of administrating levels (obviously). Levels were considered a sum of all the tiling, scripts, graphics, and any other material within a level file. For whatever reason, other servers started designating LAT to mean solely tilers, and level work as solely tiling. This caught on and somehow it became the de facto standard for servers. As servers and later playerworlds went on, I guess some people started to realize the best way to run a server is to have all the people developing the stuff to be on a single team (because generally if you could do one thing, you can do the others), which is how the Main server originally ran (all under the umbrella term of LAT). Because these playerworlds didn't misunderstood what a level was, they couldn't use LAT as a term, so they came up with the term "Developers". It's all really been a cycle. A Developer is really a member of a LAT and a member of a LAT is really a developer (with a very narrow responsibility - tiling).

[MysticX2X]

Joe does suck. And alot of the UN staff do abuse or it was dama when he worked there dunno havent seen much abuse lately though. I only stay at Un for sparring/events basically.

[Dizturbed]

Originally Posted by zell12

Shut it down and ban everyone that plays/works there? The PWA have been instructed by the management a while ago not to interfere much there because of the high player count, yet they constantly break the code of conduct.

Could you be more specific on which rules they supposedly violate?

[Lord Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by SwedishKing

Besides, Joe is problaby the best ETA ever.

[Grey]

Originally Posted by SwedishKing

Besides, Joe is problaby the best ETA ever.

[Andy0687]

Originally Posted by SwedishKing

Besides, Joe is problaby the best ETA ever.

[eronix]

.. Over the year?

Unholy Nation has sucked ever since the invention of TRIALS.

[Loakey_P2P]

well i never play un as i dont like one thing about it . tho people want to discuss playercount they should take this into account . since zodiac has made the classic list un's playercount has been lacking for three querters of every day . a 100+ player count ? well zodiacs the only one that has been able to manage that in the last two or three month's . i cant say much about the managerment as im not there enough to see anything about it . but i do know this , kids cant manage a server . if there is such an issue then mabey choosing management for classic server's should be left up to the higher ups such as stefan , unix , or globals . one of the biggest reason's i didnt like the place is why i dont like alot of thing's . disarray , i hate disorder , be it the layout , the system's , npc's or what ever . if wikid realy did do as everyone said , then he is the best person for the job .

alot of people did complain about such thing's as a midevel server with cars , it was just redundent . i keep hearing tho how the game is made up of just a child based population . which in truth is bs , i myself am twentysix , ive also seen people in their thirty's and fourty's . alot of them are between eighteen and earlie twenty's . but as said before , why put such time and effort into a server . it's not like their being paid or get anything for it other then bragging rights . a little extra incentive might prove to be usefull but i doubt it . like the accounts , a trial account can play on any of the classic server's , its free (no price) . how ever if you log off a server its all reset , you dont get to keep any thing you collect . but if you pay for a real account you keep what you collect . mabey something to that effect could be added for staff of classic server's . perhaps ability to log onto new additions of graal , like graal3d . or access to special sections of the forum's , some kind of incentive to help progress graal server's .

it does seem true that now a days people arnt hired for what skill's they have or what they can do but really who do you know and how many people like you . as for the whole developer thing . in all truth anyone who can do work on graal , be it a level editor , a scripter , and graphic artist or whatever , is a graal developer . they have atleast one skill in the graal creation progress . i myself have always thought that for a person with just one skill is to their position , level editor is a lat , a scripter is a nat . but if they have more then one skill they would be a developer . but no matter what you do or how many skills you have , your a graal developer .

[MysticX2X]

Originally Posted by eronix

.. Over the year?

Unholy Nation has sucked ever since the invention of TRIALS.

Well they cant enter the spar room:P. I tryed asking to get them banned from events or more majorly, Team events, because trials ruin the **** out of them. But they just say no.

[Rufus]

Example of staff needing to shape up.. spot the issue(s):



(Hopefully Moon Goddess won't have a heart attack at this sight.)

[MysticX2X]

Originally Posted by Rufus

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Those are all gps and et's. I don't see a point.

Or are you jost commenting on the nicks...

[eronix]

I see a bunch of untrained staff posing as pokemon characters and a guy who sounds like Elvis.

I also see a shared account ;o guess what one has the * in it, nope it's not staff.

Also looks like staff rivalry day ;o

[Door]

Is that FAQ on RC?? x.x Nevermind the rest of the blatant unprofessionalism..

[eronix]

Do those retards at UN still give their Events Team RC's?

[kenyonandelliot]

Originally Posted by eronix

I see a bunch of untrained staff posing as pokemon characters and a guy who sounds like Elvis.

I also see a shared account ;o guess what one has the * in it, nope it's not staff.

Also looks like staff rivalry day ;o

Don't forget Ed, Edd n' Eddy

UN is falling.. I liked it better with LiquidIce and Okilian

[Crow]

Originally Posted by Loakey_P2P

a 100+ player count ? well zodiacs the only one that has been able to manage that in the last two or three month's

What?

http://statistics.graal.us/server/show/36
http://statistics.graal.us/server/show/109

[maximus_asinus]

I think Rufus might have been referring to the GP at the top of the list. I also think it is funny that 'Eddy' tagged his client and RC.