What happened to Event Island Raffle?

[MasterNuke]

Fix it already.

[Gothika]

I'd rather use the Events Island one instead of Hataru. But I don't know if it's fixed.

[Ravenblade1979]

The events island raffle house turned into a school for some reason but the one in Hotaru is just fine.

[MasterNuke]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

The events island raffle house turned into a school for some reason but the one in Hotaru is just fine.

Well... this is a computer game. There is no reason why they can't make it function as both. Besides... the Hotaru raffle sucks chunks. It'd be more convenient for both the Event Masters and the players if raffle functionality was put back into the Event Island Raffle Room.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by MasterNuke

Fix it already.

Answer:

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

The events island raffle house turned into a school for some reason but the one in Hotaru is just fine.

I don't see why we need 2 raffles rooms. The school is fine for several RP events and will not turn back into a raffle room.

[MasterNuke]

Originally Posted by Sam

Answer:


I don't see why we need 2 raffles rooms. The school is fine for several RP events and will not turn back into a raffle room.

Originally Posted by MasterNuke

Besides... the Hotaru raffle sucks chunks.

1. It's kinda dark.
2. People crowd the box.
3. Players can attack other players using certain methods.
4. Reasons 2 and 3 are exponentially worse if the player base hates you.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by MasterNuke

1. It's kinda dark.
2. People crowd the box.
3. Players can attack other players using certain methods.
4. Reasons 2 and 3 are exponentially worse if the player base hates you.

Those problems can be solved by small improvements in the level.

[MasterNuke]

Originally Posted by Sam

Those problems can be solved by small improvements in the level.

Except, if I recall correctly, the room was never really meant to be used solely as a raffle room.

Could you explain the logic of turning the heavily used Event Island raffle room into a school that is very rarely used?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by MasterNuke

Except, if I recall correctly, the room was never really meant to be used solely as a raffle room.

Could you explain the logic of turning the heavily used Event Island raffle room into a school that is very rarely used?

Yes, because I don't want to see so many raffles being hosted. One raffle room is enough. On the other side I want to give a broad range of different possible opportunities to host interesting events instead of stupid raffles.

[MasterNuke]

Originally Posted by Sam

Yes, because I don't want to see so many raffles being hosted. One raffle room is enough. On the other side I want to give a broad range of different possible opportunities to host interesting events instead of stupid raffles.

Raffles are pretty rarely hosted now only because it's a total pain in the ass to host them. The reason for that is because the good raffle room was turned into a school room. I want to remind you that Graal is a game. In a game, people play to have fun. You may not think giving away items to people at random is fun, but they do. If it's boring/stupid to you, do what I do. Combine raffle with a different event to make it interesting. I remember hosting Monster Survival Raffle a long time ago, and it seemed pretty fun.

I'm going to suggest something. Make the event island raffle room into a multi-purpose room. Make it so you can drag the furniture around and rearrange it. Have a command that toggles focus to the top seat when you sit. Among one of those pieces of furniture in the room, include a raffle box.

[Ravenblade1979]

Originally Posted by MasterNuke

Raffles are pretty rarely hosted now only because it's a total pain in the ass to host them. The reason for that is because the good raffle room was turned into a school room. I want to remind you that Graal is a game. In a game, people play to have fun. You may not think giving away items to people at random is fun, but they do. If it's boring/stupid to you, do what I do. Combine raffle with a different event to make it interesting. I remember hosting Monster Survival Raffle a long time ago, and it seemed pretty fun.

I'm going to suggest something. Make the event island raffle room into a multi-purpose room. Make it so you can drag the furniture around and rearrange it. Have a command that toggles focus to the top seat when you sit. Among one of those pieces of furniture in the room, include a raffle box.

Ed give up while your ahead. Once they make up their minds its done right there. And raffle I think is hosted once a week by proto or kyden and I have done it in the past few weeks myself. Do you think that we get that much stuff in our em bags these days? Thats what we have to work with and I for one won't give up my personal items just to please people at these things. If its once a week then the hotaru raffle is fine. But there should be a barrier in place to stop ppl from coming near the yellow box.

[MasterNuke]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

Ed give up while your ahead. Once they make up their minds its done right there. And raffle I think is hosted once a week by proto or kyden and I have done it in the past few weeks myself. Do you think that we get that much stuff in our em bags these days? Thats what we have to work with and I for one won't give up my personal items just to please people at these things. If its once a week then the hotaru raffle is fine. But there should be a barrier in place to stop ppl from coming near the yellow box.

It's not alright to surrender to half-assing quality.

[Ravenblade1979]

Originally Posted by MasterNuke

It's not alright to surrender to half-assing quality.

no but what are you gonna do?? All you can do is voice your opinion on here. Everyone else doesn't seem to mind hotaru raffle. I have seen many a thing turned down on here.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

no but what are you gonna do?? All you can do is voice your opinion on here. Everyone else doesn't seem to mind hotaru raffle. I have seen many a thing turned down on here.

Ed, you or anybody else can show us a modified hotaru ball and raffle room. I am sure Björn and/or Stefan are open for a renewing.

[Damix2]

Funny that for as long as I can remember Sam has wanted us to stop having many raffles yet when I was an EM, thats all people wanted to do.

Why take away what they want?

[DonnyCypher]

god sam is sucha fkin noob, hes such a lazy POS, who do i need to talk to get sam and bjorn fired? seriously?

[Ravenblade1979]

Err Donny what did sam do that was that bad? YOu mean about events island raffle. Well I agree with him 100%...we have 1...thats all we need.

[MasterNuke]

Originally Posted by Sam

Ed, you or anybody else can show us a modified hotaru ball and raffle room. I am sure Björn and/or Stefan are open for a renewing.

You simply change the event island raffle room to the way it was before and then make everything in the room movable like the furniture in the pub. It's something I cannot do myself because I don't have the right resources to do.

Originally Posted by DonnyCypher

god sam is sucha fkin noob, hes such a lazy POS, who do i need to talk to get sam and bjorn fired? seriously?

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

Err Donny what did sam do that was that bad? YOu mean about events island raffle. Well I agree with him 100%...we have 1...thats all we need.

I'm not going to point at Sam or Bjorn... but not enough was done these past years to count as "work" on this server. A few changes here and there, but in reality, the amount of things that have been broken have canceled out any progress made.

It's not about necessity... it's about quality. The Event Island Raffle house was much preferred to host raffles in compared to the Hotaru Ballroom. But, for some bizarre reason, someone found it necessary to degrade the quality of raffles to make room for a school. The idea seems sound until you factor in the fact that Graal IS A ****ING GAME. A pointless, rarely used school could of been made somewhere else without even having to touch a perfectly good raffle room. They had the ENTIRE LANDMASS OF EVENT ISLAND to work with. This isn't some real life government trying to save money on construction by converting buildings. THIS IS GRAAL. Even if Event Island were crowded with buildings, it could just be stuck in some toilet like that huge ass labyrinth in Zol's Pub.

If you don't feel like reading all that, I'll put it in one sentence.
The quality of service that the server provided was lowered for no real reason other than selfish thoughts of optimism.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by MasterNuke

It's something I cannot do myself because I don't have the right resources to do.

Same here.
And as I said, I prefer a modification of the hotaru room and leave the other one as it is.

[Gothika]

Originally Posted by DonnyCypher

god sam is sucha fkin noob, hes such a lazy POS, who do i need to talk to get sam and bjorn fired? seriously?

Sorry dude, you've crossed the line there. Sam is awesome.

[Ravenblade1979]

hmm well Ed why not just suggest a new event that can go in? I mean beauty isn't being used anymore...we could have two new brand spanking new events to host.

[MasterNuke]

Originally Posted by Sam

Same here.
And as I said, I prefer a modification of the hotaru room and leave the other one as it is.

It's not about what you prefer. It's about what the players and Event Masters using the rooms prefer. If I were still an Events Master, I'd be pissed off at the general attitude shown in this thread.

I prefer an Events Island Raffle room over Hotaru Ballroom raffle for a few reasons:
-Hotaru Ballroom wasn't designed specifically to be a raffle room.
-Event Island Raffle was made for the sole purpose of raffles, and thus had adequate controls to keep the room in order for raffles.
-Bringing back Event Island Raffle would be the easiest choice to implement assuming backups were made of the previous level.
-You have this huge amount of land on Event Island to use anyway. You could just make another school that nobody uses.

There are more, but I have to leave for class.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by MasterNuke

It's not about what you prefer. It's about what the players and Event Masters using the rooms prefer. If I were still an Events Master, I'd be pissed off at the general attitude shown in this thread.

I prefer an Events Island Raffle room over Hotaru Ballroom raffle for a few reasons:
-Hotaru Ballroom wasn't designed specifically to be a raffle room.
-Event Island Raffle was made for the sole purpose of raffles, and thus had adequate controls to keep the room in order for raffles.
-Bringing back Event Island Raffle would be the easiest choice to implement assuming backups were made of the previous level.
-You have this huge amount of land on Event Island to use anyway. You could just make another school that nobody uses.

There are more, but I have to leave for class.

Fact is that I'm still the Events Admin so it's my decision. So far I can see the posts EM's did here they agree with me.
I don't know what Hotaru Ballroom was designed for and it doesn't matters because things changes, that's life.
You are not EM anymore so you don't need to handle problems by trouble makers crowding the counter.

[Ravenblade1979]

Originally Posted by Sam

I don't know what Hotaru Ballroom was designed for and it doesn't matters because things changes, that's life.

Change is one thing ppl don't like it seems.

Originally Posted by Sam

You are not EM anymore so you don't need to handle problems by trouble makers crowding the counter.

He knows he isn't but he just merely made a suggestion and the answer "no" was given a few times in here by you. We do however need a kick or level kick command in the hotaru raffle house.

Originally Posted by MasterNuke

It's not about what you prefer. It's about what the players and Event Masters using the rooms prefer. If I were still an Events Master, I'd be pissed off at the general attitude shown in this thread.

sad realization is that you aren't a Events Master anymore. You suggested something and it was given the "no" treatment.

Originally Posted by MasterNuke

I prefer an Events Island Raffle room over Hotaru Ballroom raffle for a few reasons:
-Hotaru Ballroom wasn't designed specifically to be a raffle room.
-Event Island Raffle was made for the sole purpose of raffles, and thus had adequate controls to keep the room in order for raffles.
-Bringing back Event Island Raffle would be the easiest choice to implement assuming backups were made of the previous level.
-You have this huge amount of land on Event Island to use anyway. You could just make another school that nobody uses.

You prefer it. No one else really seems to care. GK has changed since your day of hosting events. I can't even host during the day usually Mon-Fri because there is barely 20 ppl on by the time i get off. Times change and as Sam said. He's EM Admin..his word is law.


Now lets look at this stat wise. Hotaru ballroom is the right size for the event...granted i need a kick or level kick but ppl don't seem to mind..they walk out and they are back to wherever they were warped from and if they walk in at least they are on hotaru island and don't have to walk all the way across events island to get back to main.

[MasterNuke]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

hmm well Ed why not just suggest a new event that can go in? I mean beauty isn't being used anymore...we could have two new brand spanking new events to host.

Thanks for going off topic.

Originally Posted by Sam

Fact is that I'm still the Events Admin so it's my decision. So far I can see the posts EM's did here they agree with me.
I don't know what Hotaru Ballroom was designed for and it doesn't matters because things changes, that's life.
You are not EM anymore so you don't need to handle problems by trouble makers crowding the counter.

Then that would make you responsible for the quality of events. If such quality is low, then you aren't doing a good job.
Fayt would use Event Island Raffle over Hotaru. I can't tell what Ravenblade's intents are though.
Some people just do things because they can. If they can't do it, then it won't happen. Hotaru raffles are an example of that. Levels of respect toward the Events Master can be a factor to that, but it's mainly because of lack of control.

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

Change is one thing ppl don't like it seems.

I don't like changes that aren't completely thought out.

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

He knows he isn't but he just merely made a suggestion and the answer "no" was given a few times in here by you. We do however need a kick or level kick command in the hotaru raffle house.

Just give EMs a global "punt" command that kicks people to random locations on main.gmap. Kicking just provokes people to cause more problems 5 seconds later. The "punt" command could have a second parameter that would have the "punt" reason displayed on the screen.

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

sad realization is that you aren't a Events Master anymore. You suggested something and it was given the "no" treatment.

I'm not an Events Master anymore due to inactivity.
Until I get a real reason and explanation as to why Events Island Raffle isn't being brought back, I'm not going to accept the "no".

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

You prefer it. No one else really seems to care. GK has changed since your day of hosting events. I can't even host during the day usually Mon-Fri because there is barely 20 ppl on by the time i get off. Times change and as Sam said. He's EM Admin..his word is law.

That's because most of the people that would care quit the game. It's because a lot of the active players quit the game. It could very well be partially Sam's fault then since he is the EM Admin. Even if his words are law, that doesn't make them good words.

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

Now lets look at this stat wise. Hotaru ballroom is the right size for the event...granted i need a kick or level kick but ppl don't seem to mind..they walk out and they are back to wherever they were warped from and if they walk in at least they are on hotaru island and don't have to walk all the way across events island to get back to main.

The Events Island Raffle room was designed specifically for raffles. It had a kick command. A perfect solution already existed but then it was torn down for some reason.

[Ravenblade1979]

Originally Posted by MasterNuke

Then that would make you responsible for the quality of events. If such quality is low, then you aren't doing a good job.
Fayt would use Event Island Raffle over Hotaru. I can't tell what Ravenblade's intents are though.Some people just do things because they can. If they can't do it, then it won't happen. Hotaru raffles are an example of that. Levels of respect toward the Events Master can be a factor to that, but it's mainly because of lack of control.

I am not saying I wouldn't use events island raffle house but you also can't blame Sam for stuff being the way it is. If you are on as much as I am you would see the type of people that are on. We have nothing but scammers and usders, whiners etc. Those are the people who bring down the quality. Not sam.



Pretty much dude you just have to accept it. I mean there are so many other factors too that you have to include.

[Taikun]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

Pretty much dude you just have to accept it. I mean there are so many other factors too that you have to include.

stop acting like you know what youre talking about because you dont!

[Ravenblade1979]

Originally Posted by Taikun

stop acting like you know what youre talking about because you dont!

And you do? I barely see you on.

[Waltz5]

I have to agree with Ed.

Raven's last raffle had many problems, namely with people not listening to him saying, "Don't crowd the box." or "Below this line." I think that is reason enough to be able to use the Events Island Raffle. Most hosts have this problem and are forced to stall until they listen or have to pillor people. And what about our EM's who don't have the ability to pillor? They are not in control of their own event.

Look on the map, I believe it is marked "Raffle" yet can't serve it's function. There was no reason to tear it down. If you wanted something else, just make it on the island. It's not hard to find a spot. In short, there was no reason for this switch to be made other than laziness.

[Ravenblade1979]

LOL oh well either way we need a level kick command if sam is keeping the hotaru raffle.

[Waltz5]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

LOL oh well either way we need a level kick command if sam is keeping the hotaru raffle.

That and a :chair enter/tables so people don't crowd the yellow box. Should be easy enough additions.

[Taikun]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

And you do? I barely see you on.

you are a pretty new player to GK, you have been playing for a few months and you think you own the place... i had never heard of you till i came onto this thread and then i asked who you were on GK and i was immediatley PMed by 6 people, (only 9 were online) and every single one of them said you were aweful, horrible, and mean to everyone i cant say what else they said because my post would be deleted. now i realise why they said that, are you really that bad? prove you are not

edit: from reading previous threads i can see you say "I barely see you on" for other frequent players too!

[MasterNuke]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

I mean there are so many other factors too that you have to include.

I would like to hear these "factors".

[Ravenblade1979]

Originally Posted by Taikun

you are a pretty new player to GK, you have been playing for a few months and you think you own the place... i had never heard of you till i came onto this thread and then i asked who you were on GK and i was immediatley PMed by 6 people, (only 9 were online) and every single one of them said you were aweful, horrible, and mean to everyone i cant say what else they said because my post would be deleted. now i realise why they said that, are you really that bad? prove you are not

I have been playing for over 2 years now Taikun. Again how often are you on. And frankly this is OOC but my character is made to be a total ass. I am serious. I am trying to be better with people and frankly don't care what they think. I had one person come on today who claims to have gotten me fired from being a GP. Only me and sam knows what really happened.

So go ahead and listen to those people. I will tell you the same thing I told everyone else. Until you get to know me yourself don't judge what others say.

[Ravenblade1979]

Originally Posted by MasterNuke

I would like to hear these "factors".

I am talking amount of people who are on usually, how close it is to main. the fact it warps you back to where you were pulled from..etc.

[MasterNuke]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

I am talking amount of people who are on usually, how close it is to main. the fact it warps you back to where you were pulled from..etc.

Attendance is a factor for ALL events. Location and warping back are things that only matter after the event. It warps you back to outside the last building you walked in... but that's true for EVERY building that was properly made.

Can you name a factor that is specific to raffles?

[ReBorn_Spirit]

It would be possible to use a refocus script so ANYONE SITTING could see the raffle box and the crowding around would not be required anymore. If you like I can get someone the code from the forest castle, or you can find similiar (and anooyingly slower) from Samurai or even Dustari.

As far as Event isle goes, I would much rather like to see it integrated into the mainworld maps so you can sail to it and do a king of the hill like event with it between multiple kingdoms / groups.

[cyan3]

Originally Posted by ReBorn_Spirit

It would be possible to use a refocus script

People do not need a focus script i can see the box over on the other side of the room. You don't need to be near it but yet people still do go near the box.

[Ravenblade1979]

Originally Posted by MasterNuke

Attendance is a factor for ALL events. Location and warping back are things that only matter after the event. It warps you back to outside the last building you walked in... but that's true for EVERY building that was properly made.

Can you name a factor that is specific to raffles?

Actually your wrong on the warping thing. If you start the event and it warps them into the building then it does that but otherwise they have to walk back. And since I need to reset some warp points for events then the raffle on hotaru will be a blessing. Especially for slow people.

A big factor would be location Ed. Would you rather go back to main from Hotaru island or Events island? Another would be people's speed.

[Taikun]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

I have been playing for over 2 years now Taikun.

Aha, no you have not, im not an idiot you know! dont insult my intelligence

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

Again how often are you on.

Uh i have over 3 thousand hours... a lot perhaps?

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

I had one person come on today who claims to have gotten me fired from being a GP. Only me and sam knows what really happened.

How does this affect anything i said? it doesnt, its simple you are not liked full stop. Even BJ said that you were fired so dont continue to make stuff up, we are not all stupid and fall for your lies