Forum driving license

unixmad · #1 10-09-2006, 03:26 PM

We are introducing today the forum driving license.

Each forum user is receiving today a blank forum driving license with 3 points, each infraction will take a number of points from your driving license. Your losen points are automaticaly recovered after 10 days.

Here is the list of infraction and the number of points taken:

Spam: 1 Point
Personal attack against someone: 1 Point
Inappropriate Language: 1 Point
Posting Non-Graal related links/url's: 1 Point
Signature/avatar/custom title violation: 2 Points
Recreating deleted/closed thread: 2 Points
Discussing bans or infractions: 2 Points
Evading the curse filter: 2 Points
Insulted other member(s) and Inappropriate language: 3 Points
Custom infraction can be given: number of points will be decided by the moderator.

If your 3 points are taken from your forum driving license, your account will be automatically banned for 1 week.

For each infraction you will receive an explanation.

Devil · #2 10-09-2006, 03:27 PM

I will never lose a point

Cool idea though??

-Edit, if I could say one thing, could we (or cyberjoueurs) please revise the OFFLINKING of other websites. I can understand if it is to illegal things, or other MMORPG's, but please re-think the situation towards other weblinks in future if this is possible.

Magadal · #3 10-09-2006, 03:29 PM

Mh. Not good. I loved to evade the swear filter :[

MysticX2X · #4 10-09-2006, 03:29 PM

Personally i think 3 points is 2 low.

post 555

Devil · #5 10-09-2006, 03:30 PM

Mystic, the forum rules are easy to follow (90% of the time) I don't see how this is a problem.

If you get banned for 1 week by not following the rules, you need to be banned in my opinion.

xXziroXx · #6 10-09-2006, 03:35 PM

So, where can I check how many points I currently have?

Demisis_P2P · #7 10-09-2006, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by xXziroXx

So, where can I check how many points I currently have?

www.doesn'texist.com/yourmemory

Does that count as an offsite link? D:
Technically it's not even a link since you can't click it, but, yeah...

Darlene159 · #8 10-09-2006, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Devil

Mystic, the forum rules are easy to follow (90% of the time) I don't see how this is a problem.

If you get banned for 1 week by not following the rules, you need to be banned in my opinion.

Agreed.

Crono · #9 10-09-2006, 03:41 PM

Demisis_P2P · #10 10-09-2006, 03:42 PM

Technically it's more of a 'three strikes' policy.
Just so you know.

Sam · #11 10-09-2006, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xXziroXx

So, where can I check how many points I currently have?

Quote:

Originally Posted by unixmad

We are introducing today the forum driving license.

Each forum user is receiving today a blank forum driving license with 3 points...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P

www.doesn'texist.com/yourmemory

Does that count as an offsite link? D:
Technically it's not even a link since you can't click it, but, yeah...

No, but as spam...

Rufus · #12 10-09-2006, 03:48 PM

I don't agree with this as many of the infractions are a matter of opinion.

Say, if someone posted something they deemed not spam, but a moderator thought it was, they could be banned for a week. The punishment does not seem to fit the crime.

Crono · #13 10-09-2006, 03:50 PM

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# Insulted other member(s) and Inappropriate language: 3 Points

Actually, this is insane. If someone is obviously acting like a complete idiot we're not allowed to call them an idiot? These forums are for Graalians, do you have any idea how we treate eachother ingame?

Darlene159 · #14 10-09-2006, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rufus

I don't agree with this as many of the infractions are a matter of opinion.

Say, if someone posted something they deemed not spam, but a moderator thought it was, they could be banned for a week. The punishment does not seem to fit the crime.

It is 1 point for spam...you get 3 chances per 10 days for spam.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerami

Actually, this is insane. If someone is obviously acting like a complete idiot we're not allowed to call them an idiot? These forums are for Graalians, do you have any idea how we treate eachother ingame?

You can tell someone they aren't acting appropriately, without calling them an idiot.
These are the forums, not the game.

unixmad · #15 10-09-2006, 03:55 PM

I have already said that 10 times but we want the forums to be a friendly place.

Forums are a public place and you are not allowed to do in public what you can do in private.

zim5354 · #16 10-09-2006, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darlene159

It is 1 point for spam...you get 3 chances per 10 days for spam.

You can tell someone they aren't acting appropriately, without calling them an idiot.
These are the forums, not the game.

We know in the game we dont have these problems.

Devil · #17 10-09-2006, 03:57 PM

If a moderator got out of hand, you would easily be able to contest it, ASLONG as you were in the right and could prove it, as far as I'm concerned.

Zim, don't play around, in game is moderated differently than the forums. Considering it is run by players for players, and can not be run by proper staff all the time on all servers.

Sam · #18 10-09-2006, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerami

... do you have any idea how we treat eachother ingame?

I can imagine. But there's a small difference: here it last's for years (and Googi find every typed word from years ago

)

Darlene159 · #19 10-09-2006, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by zim5354

We know in the game we dont have these problems.

In game is much worse

No control whatsoever.

Crono · #20 10-09-2006, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

here it last's for years (and Googi find every typed word from years ago

)

And you find people's PM's from years ago in the history folder.

Quote:

Originally Posted by unixmad

I have already said that 10 times but we want the forums to be a friendly place.

Calling one or two people something that is true based on their posts does not make the forum unfriendly. We're still one big happy family.

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Forums are a public place and you are not allowed to do in public what you can do in private.

Graal is private? Wow...

Quote:

You can tell someone they aren't acting appropriately, without calling them an idiot.
These are the forums, not the game.

These are the forums for the game, people would assume it's the same thing. o.o i sure did when i first started viewing the forums.

Either way I still think the rules are too extreme, one insult and you're banned for one week? :///

Rufus · #21 10-09-2006, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darlene159

It is 1 point for spam...you get 3 chances per 10 days for spam.

That was just one example.

Personal attack against someone: 1 Point
- This is all a matter of opinion, some of the posts I've made about Sam recently could be seen as "personal attacks" but they were not.
Inappropriate Language: 1 Point
- There is a filter for this.
Posting Non-Graal related links/url's: 1 Point
- These links could be removed, threads moved.
Signature/avatar/custom title violation: 2 Points
- Easily removed upon request or edited.
Discussing bans: 2 Points
- Again, thread can be closed due to the rules.
Evading the curse filter: 2 Points
- Not that big of a deal, can be moderated.
Insulted other member(s) and Inappropriate language: 3 Points
- I could take an offence to some of the things a moderator has said, as I have, does this mean they would get a point? It's all based on opinion.

Recreating deleted/closed thread: 2 Points
- This is the only one I agree with.

To be honest the moderators are doing a fine job in keeping these type of "crimes" at bay, this infractions idea just looks like having a reason to ban people.

-Ching · #22 10-09-2006, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darlene159

In game is much worse

No control whatsoever.

I agree with you there.

Devil · #23 10-09-2006, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by -Ching

I agree with you there.

It doesn't take a genius to figure that out, please.

Demisis_P2P · #24 10-09-2006, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam

No, but as spam...

Pish posh.
I was indirectly answering his querie.
He wanted to know if there is any way that forum users can view their 'license' and see how many points they have.
There isn't, so I was suggesting that he'd simply have to remember when he gets reprimanded.

Devil · #25 10-09-2006, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P

Pish posh.
I was indirectly answering his querie.
He wanted to know if there is any way that forum users can view their 'license' and see how many points they have.
There isn't, so I was suggesting that he'd simply have to remember when he gets reprimanded.

Give the guy a break, if he wasn't doing his job, he would be fired/removed as a moderator for GraalOnline.

If you were in his position, and were offered his job, you would have to do the same thing, so don't give me, players, or himself (Sam) that crap, it's un-needed and you just make yourself look like a problem player.

Grow up.

unixmad · #26 10-09-2006, 04:09 PM

Moderators will decide in good faith like are doing police or judge in real life.

When someone is breaking rules if he/she rarely do it then he will just receive a warning, if he is well known to break rules then he will receive zero tolerance.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rufus

That was just one example.

Personal attack against someone: 1 Point
- This is all a matter of opinion, some of the posts I've made about Sam recently could be seen as "personal attacks" but they were not.
Inappropriate Language: 1 Point
- There is a filter for this.
Posting Non-Graal related links/url's: 1 Point
- These links could be removed, threads moved.
Signature/avatar/custom title violation: 2 Points
- Easily removed upon request or edited.
Discussing bans: 2 Points
- Again, thread can be closed due to the rules.
Evading the curse filter: 2 Points
- Not that big of a deal, can be moderated.
Insulted other member(s) and Inappropriate language: 3 Points
- I could take an offence to some of the things a moderator has said, as I have, does this mean they would get a point? It's all based on opinion.

Recreating deleted/closed thread: 2 Points
- This is the only one I agree with.

To be honest the moderators are doing a fine job in keeping these type of "crimes" at bay, this infractions idea just looks like having a reason to ban people.

Crono · #27 10-09-2006, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unixmad

When someone is breaking rules if he/she rarely do it then he will just receive a warning, if he is well known to break rules then he will receive zero tolerance.

I'm screwed.

Sam · #28 10-09-2006, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rufus

That was just one example.

Personal attack against someone: 1 Point
- This is all a matter of opinion, some of the posts I've made about Sam recently could be seen as "personal attacks" but they were not.
Inappropriate Language: 1 Point
- There is a filter for this.
Posting Non-Graal related links/url's: 1 Point
- These links could be removed, threads moved.
Signature/avatar/custom title violation: 2 Points
- Easily removed upon request or edited.
Discussing bans: 2 Points
- Again, thread can be closed due to the rules.
Evading the curse filter: 2 Points
- Not that big of a deal, can be moderated.
Insulted other member(s) and Inappropriate language: 3 Points
- I could take an offence to some of the things a moderator has said, as I have, does this mean they would get a point? It's all based on opinion.

Recreating deleted/closed thread: 2 Points
- This is the only one I agree with.

To be honest the moderators are doing a fine job in keeping these type of "crimes" at bay, this infractions idea just looks like having a reason to ban people.

We can give infractions, we must not do it. Its a kind of control system for both. Users will check if they are on a bad way, mods can give you a "yellow card" without points, but also a "red card" which means 1-3 points.
You know how much posts with spam like "looooool" in the forums. We dont warn a user who do it once or twice, but if someone do it by 50% of his posts, he deserves a infraction.

Bl0nkt · #29 10-09-2006, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by -Ching

Wow, how lame.

You sure do know how to please your customers.

Ever thought of running for president of North Korea?

hahaha
Why do we hate eachother? Honestly, we're so close.

Darlene159 · #30 10-09-2006, 04:11 PM

@Rufus:
Members pay no attention when things are simply removed, moved, edited, whatever.
There is absolutely no excuse for the actions of a lot of members of these forums, and hopefully this will put a stop to it.

New members, unpopular members, unknown members cannot even post on these forums, particularly in the Development forums or the playerworld hiring forums without getting attacked to death, and it makes me sick.
they have just as much right to post here, and be treated with respect, as anyone else who is "popular" on these forums. This treatment of these members makes me very angry.

unixmad · #31 10-09-2006, 04:14 PM

It's not because we don't enforce some rules on graal that they are allowed.
You will see soon that some unfriendly behaviours will be stopped on graal.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerami

And you find people's PM's from years ago in the history folder.

Graal is private? Wow....

maximus_asinus · #32 10-09-2006, 04:15 PM

We asked if the moderation could be relaxed when you guys asked us what we thought, and then you turn around and make it more strict? Pathetic.

Crono · #33 10-09-2006, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unixmad

You will see soon that some unfriendly behaviours will be stopped on graal.

You'd just ruin it then.

Darlene159 · #34 10-09-2006, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Ching

Wow, how lame.

You sure do know how to please your customers.

Ever thought of running for president of North Korea?

See, it is posts like this that are totally not needed. This is nothing but a personal attack against Unixmad, and is not helpful at all

Devil · #35 10-09-2006, 04:16 PM

With what Darlene says, I agree.

I watch one person who asks for new people to join his playerworld, get attacked because he went under another alias (however many days/months/years ago) and 98% of people in that thread gave the guy a hard time because of what he done in the past.

It's very unfair, if you do not like the person, it's easy as not posting in his thread and let the thread run it's course. If it is not correct (as a thread) let it be closed on it's own behalf, instead of being closed or posts being deleted because people don't like that person, or what is being said.

SIMPLE

Rufus · #36 10-09-2006, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Members pay no attention when things are simply removed, moved, edited, whatever.
There is absolutely no excuse for the actions of a lot of members of these forums, and hopefully this will put a stop to it.

New members, unpopular members, unknown members cannot even post on these forums, particularly in the Development forums or the playerworld hiring forums without getting attacked to death, and it makes me sick.
they have just as much right to post here, and be treated with respect, as anyone else who is "popular" on these forums. This treatment of these members makes me very angry.

I totally agree, I'm also sick of the treatment that new users and developers are treated, and the way they feel like they have to join in to fit in. I feel however that this new system will be used in personal vendetta's against certain people. I think the punishments should fit the crime, rather then being based upon points.

Demisis_P2P · #37 10-09-2006, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darlene159

@Rufus:
Members pay no attention when things are simply removed, moved, edited, whatever.
There is absolutely no excuse for the actions of a lot of members of these forums, and hopefully this will put a stop to it.

New members, unpopular members, unknown members cannot even post on these forums, particularly in the Development forums or the playerworld hiring forums without getting attacked to death, and it makes me sick.
they have just as much right to post here, and be treated with respect, as anyone else who is "popular" on these forums. This treatment of these members makes me very angry.

I haven't had any trouble with people attacking me since I started posting on the forums.
The only person that's been mean to me so far is Stephen.
And now Devil.

Crono · #38 10-09-2006, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darlene159

See, it is posts like this that are totally not needed. This is nothing but a personal attack against Unixmad, and is not helpful at all

I wouldn't look at it as an attack, more of a statement comparing unixmad's rule of the forums to the leader of north korea's rule of north korea.

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It's very unfair, if you do not like the person, it's easy as not posting in his thread and let the thread run it's course.

No. If someone doesn't like someone they should go ahead and post it. Why not? It's not breaking rules, and what are these forums for? Expressing positive opinions? No, expressing opinions in general, as long as they fit the rules.

Darlene159 · #39 10-09-2006, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerami

You'd just ruin it then.

Maybe some members should learn how to act appropriately in public.

excaliber7388 · #40 10-09-2006, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Devil

Mystic, the forum rules are easy to follow (90% of the time) I don't see how this is a problem.

If you get banned for 1 week by not following the rules, you need to be banned in my opinion.

I should sue you for making me bite my tounge so hard.
I found out about the infractioon system this morning when I found out I got one for inquiring (in the flying tech thread) about how the tech will work so I can implement it on my server.
Funny, huh?