Lifetime Classic

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Spark910

If I was to be honest, Graals only world that is worth promoting would be Zone I think, and I can think of ways to do this easily (and some freely), and then people can stay or go onto other worlds from there.

That's a matter of opinon, I think.
Personally, I dislike Zone (maybe because I am female, don't know).
Graal needs to be advertised as a whole. All features of it should be advertised in order to draw in more people IMO.
Different people like different things.

[_Z3phyr_]

Originally Posted by Spark910

If I was to be honest, Graals only world that is worth promoting would be Zone I think, and I can think of ways to do this easily (and some freely), and then people can stay or go onto other worlds from there.

/agree 73.948723562356%

Zone is a new graphical theme to the game. Yes, it's a complete 180 from the original premise of the game, but its fun to play in its own way and it hasn't been around long enough to have oldbies say "oh lol I remember back when I was a noob and got my first gold subscription..." when they think about it yet... so everyone doesn't have -as much- to say about it.

However, so as to not throw advertising into a single style of the game -- I think that an advertising campaign would have to exemplify/include the classic, GK, era, and Zone styles of the game. (I add Era to the list because it has its own style and premise compared to the other three -- I was never too fond of the server but I still acknowledge its position in the game. I would add Valikorlia too but when you glance at it, its a classic style unless Clash manages to release his game after god knows how long its been)

(edit - Darlene beat me to the post... I think we're kinda on the same page with the idea of including all of the styles of the game in an advertising campaign -- maybe you could use the styles as examples of the game's customizability and opportunities for entertainment?)

[Spark910]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

That's a matter of opinon, I think.
Personally, I dislike Zone (maybe because I am female, don't know).
Graal needs to be advertised as a whole. All features of it should be advertised in order to draw in more people IMO.
Different people like different things.

Assuming they promote a gold server, then it's that or GK. GK would have too much competition, and while price and a few other features may be of attraction, people would probably question why they'd play that over a 3D version. It also takes too long to get used to (as all games do).

Zone is quick and easy and to the point. It's constant action and gameplay, and you could probably play it fairly happily as a trial account as saving your stats on Zone isn't that big of an issue - although they will eventually want more health and items.

I'd personally get a website up just for zone, list all weapons and features, stick a download link to it and then get websites to review it - those who review arcard style games. People would check it out, and then they would also perhaps stick around and pay for Zone, or pay for another server.

It's just that if you advertise any classic server it'll be hard as visually it isn't that impressive, and some are fairly similar (although there is a lot more custom looking servers now).

But advertising Zone will attract the young people Graal is most likely to appeal to, as (not to play on sterotypes too much) but young boys like their shooting games! And Zone is quite a fun little game to play. Zone is probably the best chance of getting a positive review, as I think Graal may get a bit of criticism just because it's such a different type of game (but of course the reviewers can also look at the other servers).

[Zero Hour]

Originally Posted by unixmad

So Cyberjoueurs have to find solutions to attract more players (and I am working on it very actively) but also find solution to not loose endlessly money with long time customers.

Very cool, Stephane. It's nice that you're asking the players. For years I saw people with Classic accounts and I wondered if I was missing something because it didn't make economical sense.

Just give the current classic another three months, the final of which will be a free gold month, and then end the classic service. Then only VIPs or a special "classic" account deal which pays less than VIPs, can access them.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Zero Hour

Just give the current classic another three months, the final of which will be a free gold month, and then end the classic service. Then only VIPs or a special "classic" account deal which pays less than VIPs, can access them.

I agree with this other than the part about "special classic account". there is no need for this when VIP is fairly cheap. I fully believe that if the lifetime classic accounts are done away with, that eventually quite a few members will upgrade. (Don't get mad, it is just my opinion, one person.)
I do think that Graal should run specials periodically to give people a chance to view Graal as a whole. Maybe give them a couple of weeks full, unlimited access? Of course this would have to be advertised quite a bit in order to draw in new players.

[Sam]

For me it was the quest system of classic that was fun for me. This is something that will make people having fun and stay. If you dont have a target you get bored. Otherwise as stated before: advertisement is the magic word. Use things like Google AdWords and such.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Sam

For me it was the quest system of classic that was fun for me. This is something that will make people having fun and stay. If you dont have a target you get bored. Otherwise as stated before: advertisement is the magic word. Use things like Google AdWords and such.

See, that's the thing. A majority of the older players loved the simplicity of Graal as it was in the beginning. Doing quests to gain hearts, money, swordpower, shieldpower, etc.... (my favorite)
On the other hand, lots of people want the Gold type, RP servers.

All should be advertised to draw in a larger group of people.

[Zero Hour]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

I agree with this other than the part about "special classic account". there is no need for this when VIP is fairly cheap. I fully believe that if the lifetime classic accounts are done away with, that eventually quite a few members will upgrade. (Don't get mad, it is just my opinion, one person.)
I do think that Graal should run specials periodically to give people a chance to view Graal as a whole. Maybe give them a couple of weeks full, unlimited access? Of course this would have to be advertised quite a bit in order to draw in new players.

Actually this inspires me - that's a good idea to remove VIP, but instead of special deals just have special days of the week (Wednesday) when Classics can log on again for a few hours.

[KuJi]

Globals should all get together and make a world together.. but your also lacking globals for such projects.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Zero Hour

Actually this inspires me - that's a good idea to remove VIP, but instead of special deals just have special days of the week (Wednesday) when Classics can log on again for a few hours.

I didn't say to remove VIP, lol
I said to remove the lifetime classic account deal (is it even still available?)

I am sure there are lots of ways to run special deals to give potential players a chance to play the game and see what it is all about, but it has to be advertised, advertised, advertised!!!

[Zero Hour]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

I didn't say to remove VIP, lol
I said to remove the lifetime classic account deal (is it even still available?)

Sorry, that is actually what I meant. Just a little stupid this morning

[KuJi]

Should convert all classics to 1 year of classic (starting.. maybe now?)

Then make a new package for unlimited classic at 60$ or so.. it'll sell.

[projectigi]

Originally Posted by KuJi

Globals should all get together and make a world together.. but your also lacking globals for such projects.

and then?
it will be a world with a theme
some players will like it others not
you cant make a perfect world, even with all top gfx, scripters, gani makers etc

[Zero Hour]

Originally Posted by KuJi

Should convert all classics to 1 year of classic (starting.. maybe now?)

Then make a new package for unlimited classic at 60$ or so.. it'll sell.

Then they're in the same situation they're in now, only with a brief flurry of money. Essentially, classic accounts don't work (in a economical way).

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by projectigi

and then?
it will be a world with a theme
some players will like it others not
you cant make a perfect world, even with all top gfx, scripters, gani makers etc

Yes, but if it is something different then what we already have, it might draw in new players that might be interested in whatever type of gameplay it has. Different things for different people.

Originally Posted by Zero Hour

classic accounts don't work (in a economical way).

Exactly. Graal is losing money on this. Classic members are basically getting something for nothing because it is for a lifetime.

[dude2020]

Originally Posted by KuJi

Then make a new package for unlimited classic at 60$ or so.. it'll sell.

then we should bring out unlimted gold for 120$

[KuJi]

Originally Posted by dude2020

then we should bring out unlimted gold for 120$

wtf? You pop stuff out your ass or something?


You can just give 3 months to current classics to upgrade for either 1 year classic for 20$ or unlimited.


Another good idea would be to allow classics on the top 2 servers or something? Or allow only 30 classic accounts per server.

[Zero Hour]

Originally Posted by dude2020

then we should bring out unlimted gold for 120$

I don't think you're quite getting it. The IDEA behind classic "One time payment" is the problem. Besides, that is ridiculous.

[medved]

Why would people with classic accounts keep playing Graal after the changes Zero Hour is suggesting when they can just go play one of those South Korean free-for-eternity online games?

[KuJi]

Another good idea is classics get maybe 24 hours of game play a month?

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by medved

Why would people with classic accounts keep playing Graal after the changes Zero Hour is suggesting when they can just go play one of those South Korean free-for-eternity online games?

You might be suprised

[excaliber7388]

Since this is about the new flying tech. I just want to know, will the entire script not work for non vip/gold, or just the zooming feature?
If it's just the zooming feature, and the script will still work, then thar's okay. I'd rather classic servers have to do special things for vip/gold. For example, Era giving a coupon for a cheaper car for VIP members. I personally would add special features om my server If I knew it would help Graal out, such as special guns, etc. I just didn't want to limit flying, what is to be a large part of my serer, to a few people.
Maybe make every server offer a few weapons to gold/vip only, or let them do special quests. I'd be more than happy to add those kind of features to my server
Another good idea would be to reveal more things to gold/vip only, let them use beta material, or even help develope it.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

Since this is about the new flying tech....

No, this is about lifetime classic.

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by Sam

No, this is about lifetime classic.

But it's creation is. I just want an answer to my question

[KuJi]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

But it's creation is. I just want an answer to my question

Post in the other thread then.

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by KuJi

Post in the other thread then.

I did, but I'm afraid the entire post will be deleted for being off topic

[Admins]

Originally Posted by medved

Why would people with classic accounts keep playing Graal after the changes Zero Hour is suggesting when they can just go play one of those South Korean free-for-eternity online games?

That's what the discussion is about. Those games give free access, but charge money for changing the look, for items, for events etc.

[Elk]

those games also earn money with advertising other games or sites...which gets the game more players and more money
got it?

[KuJi]

Every 3 months you should allow trials full access for one week on previews. (w/ saving.. for the week.. after that they get reset giving them a week to play and upgrading on the 7th day.. or maybe you can save it but not allow them to use the items until they upgrade?)

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by Elk

those games also earn money with advertising other games or sites...which gets the game more players and more money
got it?

Yes advertising is important.

[KuJi]

z.z.... okay then I won't give anymore ideas to solve the problem since I've given like 5-10 already w/ 0 comments on such =o!

[Zero Hour]

Originally Posted by medved

Why would people with classic accounts keep playing Graal after the changes Zero Hour is suggesting when they can just go play one of those South Korean free-for-eternity online games?

What I'm suggesting is pretty fair. They get 3 months to decide if they're going to upgrade or not, and then to add to it their final month is gold for free.

[WanDaMan]

Finish the guild system please. I'm getting very impatient about that x-x

[excaliber7388]

The classic accounts should stay, but there should be a lot of extras and reasons to upgrade. The biggest reason I keep upgrading is I like having my own server, and I need VIP for it.

[Elk]

im just upgrading to pm people on other servers

[Googi]

Originally Posted by unixmad

So Cyberjoueurs have to find solutions to attract more players (and I am working on it very actively) but also find solution to not loose endlessly money with long time customers.

We keep telling you that ridiculous rules and overbearing moderators are causing people to leave, but you don't do anything about it. The moderation on the forums isn't making you look "professional", it isn't impressing anybody and it isn't something any successful MMORPGs do. It's causing people to quit (or, more rarely, to be banned for stupid reasons) and then tell everyone else not to upgrade.

[excaliber7388]

I didn't realize that was a vip/gold thing only.
I just wouldn't want big parts of classic servers to be limited to gold/vip only.
I'd like to see extra vip/gold only things, just not things that would limit developers.
Classic servers should have to have so many gold/vip benefits on their servers to stay classic. That way there's a large amount of benefits for gold/vip, but it doesn't take away from the core game for classic accounts.
Also, Googi makes a good point, don't delete his post because it's about moderation, it's a good suggestion. Who would pay more just to come here?

[jacob_bald6225]

I'm not going to pay for a game that refuses to do anything to help the situation on the server I play on. I feel ignored as a customer.

Originally Posted by Gerami

I'm not an expert or anything but you need to give people a reason to upgrade. I don't mean one addition and restrict it, I mean worthwhile gold server additions. Make a new 2D gold server, or something. It's been a while since Graal Online has made their own server. Zone is simply a revival of the old Zone made by Angel and them.

If there were a new offical, classic-esque server, I would upgrade to gold to play it.

[xXziroXx]

Graal needs avdertising.

Why have it not been done? Sure, Graal might be mentioned in one place or another, but is enough advertising being done? No, far from it. Make signatures for people to have in their signature on other forums so the players themself can help in advertising. Pay for Google adds (I dunno if you pay for them or how it works..) - that will give you tons of hits every day.

Another thing that you guys really should be slapped on the fingers for, is, that you update the graalonline.com page once a year or so. Why arnt you updating it often? Because you are lazy? I dont think so, but even a simple thing like that makes GraalOnline look bad for new players.

How can you earn money?

One solution, that I dont really like myself, is to let other games advertise on your website for a monthly fee. Other then that.. well, I dont know.

Accounts
Allow Trial accounts to work as a p2p, but limit it to 1 hour game play a day. p2p accounts shouldnt have to be paid for, although they should be limited to classic servers ONLY.

The VIP package is pretty much useless, only have the Gold package. The majority of players would chose Gold over VIP if they only were paying for one, since the Gold package gives them unlimited play time on Gold and Hosted servers unlike VIP. Sure, VIP lets you make a global guild - *wow*

The Global Staff / Servers
Why is there rarely new additions to the Classic list? Is there really that few Hosted servers that got what it takes to get there? And why is there so few Hosted servers, and its rarely updated? It should be updated alot more often..

Well, Ive said my thoughts.

[Minoc]

I'd be willing to pay more for an Old Graal based server.