Classic Progress Report.

[maximus_asinus]

Well. Lets take a look at how much Classic has progressed. Its been out for awhile now. At first glance, nothing really has been added on, we continue to explore and we find a couple new guild houses, nothing major here. If you haven't seen, the perma clothes were added, but that was a couple months ago.

Classic has had more then enough time to grow, and it hasn't. I will bet Storm will reply and try to shrug this off by claiming bugs in various things prohibited him for making quests. Well skip passed the cutscenes. You should of had atleast one quest released during this time, [edit]any other server would have been shut down or moved to the under construction tab.[/edit] When I was LAT, Exodus and myself made the levels for a quest, but they sat untouched for a couple months. The changes to some of the overworld levels were done by me, and I quit my position a week ago.

Something needs to be done. If we could purchase the Pre NPC Server levels, that'd be great, something like Tyhm suggested in another thread, a race to put together the greatest Classic. Or maybe hire back someone like Tyhm (I doubt he'd return, but he was probably the best thing that ever happened to Classic), and make another dev server with the Pre NPC Server levels, that he (and others) could work on.

Chances are this thread will be closed, but we need people to speak up for classic, its dying, and nothing is being done.

[URBANLEGEND]

Max, I for one, with many other people have complained about the lack of progress. and all storm tells us is because "not everyone is using v3." "not everyone is using v4.". But still, things could be added yes, but without the cut sceans its virtualy impossible to unstand the quest. But you cant just blame storm for this, we did the best he could. He and Selflon restarted the server from thym's original starting point and you know what stefan did when the finished it? REJECTED IT, so if your gonna blame anyone, blame stefan. Also, people like GrowlZ who start things then ditch the project and its responsibility are also to blame. I take some blame myself for not doing my job the best i could when i was LAT, but at that time classic looked as promising behind the sceans as it does now. So maybe if you talked to the development staff once in a while youd know what was going on.

[maximus_asinus]

I know all about Stefan rejecting the levels from before. They could have reworked some things to make it satisfactory, but instead they decided to redo everything, including things that didn't need to be touched. (see movement and hit detection).
There is no excuse for how poorly the server has been Managed since it was released however. Who cares about cutscenes? Original Classic didn't use them for a long while, and even then, nobody really paid any attention to them.

The downfall of Classic is Storms fault, and his alone. We need a more active Manager, who isn't subborn, and will listen to the ideas of fellow classic members. Storm don't bother saying that you do, because you would have dumped that flawed piece of garbage you call a hit detection/movement system long ago.

[URBANLEGEND]

Originally Posted by maximus_asinus

I know all about Stefan rejecting the levels from before. They could have reworked some things to make it satisfactory, but instead they decided to redo everything, including things that didn't need to be touched. (see movement and hit detection).

i still dont see a reason for hit detection or movement, but theyre there and i doubt theyre going to go away..

There is no excuse for how poorly the server has been Managed since it was released however. Who cares about cutscenes? Original Classic didn't use them until for a long while, and even then, nobody really paid any attention to them.

Sure, they didnt pay attention to them, but it made the main idea for the quest clearer. and how to beat it easier. Player interaction is what makes or breaks a server...

The downfall of Classic is Storms fault, and his alone. We need a more active Manager, who isn't subborn, and will listen to the ideas of fellow classic members. Storm don't bother saying that you do, because you would have dumped that flawed piece of garbage you call a hit detection/movement system long ago.

No, The downfall isnt just Storm's fault. It's all of our faults anyone whos ever played there, its their fault to. For eaither not supporting the project, trying to stop the project, interrupting the porject, or simply not paying attention to the project. Classic has been going down more and more since Thym went inactive after the release of Race's on classic.

[maximus_asinus]

The lack of updates and that blasted hit detection system drove away most of the community. I can blame that on Storm.
I don't see how Classic can make a comeback now, they'll need to get rid of Storm, demote him, fire him, whatever & a real Manager would take his place.

Tyhm, COME BACK!

[URBANLEGEND]

Originally Posted by maximus_asinus

The lack of updates and that blasted hit detection system drove away most of the community. I can blame that on Storm.
I don't see how Classic can make a comeback now, they'll need to get rid of Storm, demote him, fire him, whatever & a real Manager would take his place.

Tyhm, COME BACK!

The lack of updates, again, has been going on since thym went inactive and put up races. The next update after that was the removal of the races, then after, storm being made manager and the npcs server going up.


Is it amazing Storm became manager and that magical npcs server we've been waiting for for years goes up? Be he does nothing?

[maximus_asinus]

Anyone could have done that work and put up a server of that quality in a week. You're giving him too much credit.

[URBANLEGEND]

Ok max, imagine this.
You made a playerworld that players have been wanting for years. You submit it to the PWA to get the server put up, and they say "No, Because Gmaps do not support the old bombs and arrows. and because of that you practicly need to remake your server."
Then, you have about 35 people on your back to get something out NOW, so you take the mainly used levels and put them in a overworld to make the players happy, but because of more graal updates you cant release everything you want? Would suck wouldnt it?

[Crono]

IMO graal v3 and v4 need to be thrown out the window and v2 should continue to be updated. Nothing wrong with v2 and its better than v3 imo. I havnt used v4 yet, though, so I cant form an opinion on that one.

[maximus_asinus]

The only problem was bombs and arrows? Hell, they could have used another system for that that, and it wouldn't require remaking the hit detection system. I seem to recall a post somewhere, someone make explosions on a gmap via tiggeraction or something? That is an obsurd defence, and doesn't explain why they decided to restart everything.

[Crono]

Why the hell was .gmap released when it didnt work with graal's standard bombs and arrows anyway?

[maximus_asinus]

Originally Posted by Gerami

Why the hell was .gmap released when it didnt work with graal's standard bombs and arrows anyway?

I don't know. I don't know why Classic had to use GMAP anyway. They could have gone with a regular map or no map at all. I would have been happier to see that instead of this garbage.

[maximus_asinus]

*bump*

I would purchase the levels & server space to rescript the REAL classic.

[-Ramirez-]

Originally Posted by URBANLEGEND

and you know what stefan did when the finished it? REJECTED IT

...?

[Ajira]

Originally Posted by Gerami

IMO graal v3 and v4 need to be thrown out the window and v2 should continue to be updated. Nothing wrong with v2 and its better than v3 imo. I havnt used v4 yet, though, so I cant form an opinion on that one.

v4 is probably the best version of Graal. It has the same features of v2 and v3 + more, and it is also much faster. v4 also has the particle engine which makes things even better.