Zodiac V2: Suggestions

[fowlplay4]

We are currently in the process of re-scripting the server basically from the ground up. Yes we are actually doing it this time, not just talking about it.

Planned Changes:

- Removal of Prestige Classes
- Reworking of the Class Leveling System
- Item Sockets / Enchanting of Weapons, Armor
- Revamped Equipment Slots
- Patterned / Phased Boss Battles
- A visible storyline

I'd also like to get a new GUI Scheme going, instead of the dull black one according to players. As well as improving the overall quality of the server.

So feel free to suggest things you'd like to see in Zodiac V2.

If you ****post I'll delete it, so don't bother.

[pig132]

Make leveling harder, alot harder. Possibly increase the level cap so its not just a rush to level 60 and then pk.

Get rid of CMPs. Current zodiac, you can only pk if you are level 60 with max cmps. If you are 58, don't bother.

More, less *** instances.

my2cents

[Crono1508]

Create a 8-second combat system that doesn't allow a player to regain health by sitting or running against a chair and wall for that matter. And if a player decides to run inside a building (no-pk) while in combat, give the player a 30 second debuff that states,"You've fled from combat and unable to perform any abilities. " It definitely would reduce laming.

In the end, be original. Stop copying World of Warcraft.

[doyouskate]

Originally Posted by Crono1508

Create a 8-second combat system that doesn't allow a player to regain health by sitting or running against a chair and wall for that matter. And if a player decides to run inside a building (no-pk) while in combat, give the player a 30 second debuff that states,"You've fled from combat and unable to perform any abilities. " It definitely would reduce laming.

I love that 30 second debuff idea.

[Sinkler]

Quests!

[WanDaMan]

I'd love to see alot of modifications to the overworld and baddies on the overworld instead of being in dungeons!

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by WanDaMan

I'd love to see alot of modifications to the overworld and baddies on the overworld instead of being in dungeons!

There already is baddies on the overworld, or at least there was when I last played I'm sure. Not on the main island though.

[Elk]

Yay finally the prestige classes get removed !

[papajchris]

Originally Posted by pig132

Make leveling harder, alot harder. Possibly increase the level cap so its not just a rush to level 60 and then pk.

Get rid of CMPs. Current zodiac, you can only pk if you are level 60 with max cmps. If you are 58, don't bother.

More, less *** instances.

my2cents

Okay so the level cap is raised to say 70.... Eventually people will get 70 and then just pk.

i do agree with making leveling harder. In my opinion, level 30 shouldn't be considered low, it should be like whoa your level 30!?!? I also want questing and not just killing npcs. I have been trying to push for this so i hope it can get done now.

On v2, i think you should add boats and make the gmap more useful. At the moment, there is no need in leaving the main island except for the occasional high adventure to the class baddy or w/e. Thirdly, I want nations to be treated like they were when zodiac first came out and revitalize nation wars, people need to have pride in their nation. Nations should have their own identities and should be different.

It would be cool if nations could be built physically and destroyed. When nations get money (maybe from taxes or winning nation wars or something?) they should be able to build fences and lay cannons and add health to doors, etc.. Then nations can come and destroy these cannons and fences and such.

[DustyPorViva]

Levels is one of those fickle things to change. If they change how hard it is to level, what about the many, many players who already hit the cap? It won't really be fair to new players if just about every other player only had to put 25% of the effort they have to to hit the cap.

How if they do it by simply raising the XP requirements for level-ups, I imagine they could throw together an algorithm that would calculate the player's level determined by how much current xp they have, and scale them appropriately. This, however, means that many players will lose 'progress', even though they technically did not lose anything xp-wise, but just their visual representation(their level).

[Unkownsoldier]

Originally Posted by pig132

Make leveling harder, alot harder. Possibly increase the level cap so its not just a rush to level 60 and then pk.

Get rid of CMPs. Current zodiac, you can only pk if you are level 60 with max cmps. If you are 58, don't bother.

More, less *** instances.

my2cents

Jerret told me a month or two ago on RC that it is impossible to make the level cap any higher without screwing everything up or making the server crash or something. Now I guess he would refuse this idea.

[FaLLChiLD]

More originality, less WoW would be cool.

Nice to hear you guys plan to finally get rid of that tacky black GUI system.

[fowlplay4]

Not changing the level cap, 60 is a decent amount of leveling and the problem with changing V1's level cap was that the class leveling system was built around level 50.

Questing is an obvious one, and we will make sure to include them from the get-go, as well as a better newbie experience.

I plan on experimenting with guard npcs outside of our main house, to kill troublemakers. Hoping for some funny rebel party raids against them.

As for these "more originality" suggestions, they are really vague.

[Dark_Zeratul101]

Suggesting to make leveling harder is not the brightest of all ideas.
However, making leveling FUNNER should be high priority.

[pig132]

It takes less than a day to get max level and max cmps, how is that not a problem..

[Crono1508]

Make leveling as a group worthy with difficult level bosses. Maybe add in a new system item feature like a Diablo II theme.

[Crono]

Leveling is currently more like an obstacle than anything.

[xXMonkeyManXx]

Originally Posted by Elk

Yay finally the prestige classes get removed !

Umm excuse me? I Love the prestige classes. I love Runeprowler, Timeweaver, Dragoon and Freelancer.
I don't understand why at all you would want these gone, they add alot to Zodiac and give more options to players.

Originally Posted by pig132

It takes less than a day to get max level and max cmps, how is that not a problem..

Umm what? Less then a day? Name one person who has gotten to 60 and maxed cmp'ed in one day. Not to mention if you need a masser, you can't possibly expect there to be one there.

Originally Posted by pig132

Make leveling harder, alot harder. Possibly increase the level cap so its not just a rush to level 60 and then pk.

Get rid of CMPs. Current zodiac, you can only pk if you are level 60 with max cmps.

I woudn't say make it extremly harder. Just a little if you catch what i'm saying. I like the leveling system, but it is a little to easy....ish.

I agree with the whoe getting rid of CMP.

If staff does and maybe will deside to get rid of CMP, let us chose the Element of out choice when we /creset (class reset) and when we /reset (Completly reset that char to level 1) Other wise, being stuck with fire for everything would kind of suck.

I also think you should make it so that not everyone can be rich instantly, and I also think that you shoudl delete completly all the "Battlemaster" and "Nightblade's" and "Archmage's". It's completly unfair how not eveyrone can afford that, and without it you don't stand a chance at pking.

Another thing, make it extremly hard to be rich. So we don't have millionare's running around with well millione's while the poor get erm... "poorer" and the rich get richer.

[fowlplay4]

Prestige classes are getting removed because they're more trouble than they're actual worth.

We also plan on implement some economy aspects to the game as well (Job Systems).

[pig132]

I've gotten to 60 with pretty much max cmps in a day...all you need is a vamp fang and a Vampire race and you're set to 60. This in itself is a problem

[xXMonkeyManXx]

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

Prestige classes are getting removed because they're more trouble than they're actual worth.

Oh ok, i see what you mean. I'm happy with my Mage anyway.

Originally Posted by pig132

I've gotten to 60 with pretty much max cmps in a day...all you need is a vamp fang and a Vampire race and you're set to 60. This in itself is a problem

Well yes, that's if you got vamp fang and vamp race, otherwise it's pretty hard.

[WaDaFack]

Just to get some thing straight, these changes will only take affect in Zodiac V2 AFTER a reset.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Moving on..

Originally Posted by Dark_Zeratul101

Suggesting to make leveling harder is not the brightest of all ideas.
However, making leveling FUNNER should be high priority.

I agree with you 100%. Right now the leveling system is boring to the extent were you want to just fall asleep. Other than following the same lineup for leveling,i.e; Lich's -> Vamps -> Elves -> Drags -> Glads -> SDs -> Feral, there should be a wider selection on were players want to level, not adding the same NPCs somewhere else, I'm talking about a completely different dungeon.

Leveling is too easy also, I mean players can just sit on the side and let someone mass for them. Maybe EXP should be evenly distributed depending on how many people are in your party, therefore having a advantage and disadvantage.

But let's not focus on leveling only, how about other things out there such as . . . New Suffixes/Prefixes, Item names ETC.
I was thinking of having more than 1 line of armor for classes, since Zodiac V2 is going to have a higher player count than it should have a wider selection in what armor you want to use. For example, other than the same o'l Manawoven, maybe there can be another type of Level 55 Mage armor with higher defense and has an additional stat.
With this you can also throw in some rare armor, like "Berserker armor" which ANY class can use, but gives a lot of defense!
Those "Rare" armor's can be powerful but what are the chances of one actually dropping? Especially from the hardest bosses in the game!

[WaDaFack]

I was actually told my PRs and Jerret himself that they are resetting the server.
Not exactly sure where you got your information from.

[fowlplay4]

Current Zodiac will not be compatible with Zodiac V2, like any other server release. So it HAS to be reset when it's released to public on the main server.

As for this time around we plan on providing more customizable aspects to the game.

Small Development Update: Drafting GUI, Working on Item System.

[Exhausted]

Originally Posted by pig132

I've gotten to 60 with pretty much max cmps in a day...all you need is a vamp fang and a Vampire race and you're set to 60. This in itself is a problem

No it's not. Taking forever to level up is a reason other RPGs are really lame. It's always nice on Zodiac how you can basically just pick up a new character and PK with it in about a week.

And tbh, it should be faster to level. Bashing the S/space key to kill thousands of baddies over and over again is no fun at all.

Also you forget when Drander made NPCs more "high tech" to make it harder to level. The entire server threw a fit.

[salesman]

Just the 2 cents from someone who hasn't played very much:

I got bored fast because I leveled up with some friends in only a few hours, and when I say "with" I mean they did all the work for me. It's too easy to level up, but that doesn't mean you should just increase the difficulty. Try making it harder, but fun. At least make it so everyone in a party has to be involved instead of just sitting in a corner leeching experience.

[Pelikano]

Originally Posted by salesman

Just the 2 cents from someone who hasn't played very much:

I got bored fast because I leveled up with some friends in only a few hours, and when I say "with" I mean they did all the work for me. It's too easy to level up, but that doesn't mean you should just increase the difficulty. Try making it harder, but fun. At least make it so everyone in a party has to be involved instead of just sitting in a corner leeching experience.

Even leveling alone is way too fast.
If you make the leveling this fast, there shouldn't be a level cap, otherwise there's no big competition, since everyone will get 60 in a few days

[fowlplay4]

Ideally getting level 60 in a week of constant grinding sounds reasonable, but I do understand that the 1-59 content is merely an obstacle to the endgame content and does need attention which is why it's going to be one of our main focuses.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

Ideally getting level 60 in a week of constant grinding sounds reasonable, but I do understand that the 1-59 content is merely an obstacle to the endgame content and does need attention which is why it's going to be one of our main focuses.

Is it really necessary to have to level up from 1 to 60?

[WaDaFack]

I think players who are level 59 should have a chance to fight players who are level 60. They obviously can't now because of CMPS.. right?

But other than that, the current main GUI is becoming dull and boring, we need something new but still simple!

[fowlplay4]

Originally Posted by Crono

Is it really necessary to have to level up from 1 to 60?

I like to think that it is

[Crono1508]

The thing about Maloria's greatness was not having a level cap. And with that said, leveling was difficult and very time consuming. Honestly the server had a great variety of different levels all around. Only the hardcore players reached beyond 57 on Maloria.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

I like to think that it is

Then yeah, fun factor is a major issue. I know WoW gets around the problem through exploration but I just can't see it being pulled off on Graal without a huge amount of effort and developmental skill in both level design and graphics.

[Crono]

I was thinking about shields. You could disable using setshield and introduce the concept of 1 handed weapons vs weapons that take up both hand slots and then implement shields.

You would probably have to re-do a lot of ganis and decide what should be considered a one handed weapon but I think in the long run it would be worth it. How the shield itself reduces damage is still up for debate, such as the def bonus it gives not counting if the player is attacked from behind. Would be a nice factor when choosing between katars or daggers, and would allow two handed swords and axes to have higher damage ratings (because then it would be balanced). Could maybe even have shield sizes so that not all shields can be worn by all classes.

Just a random thought.

[fowlplay4]

We actually are already doing that lol.

[Frankie]

59's won't ever have a chance against 60's. it just doesn't work that way. pking at level 60 is a whole different ball game because of all the CMP options and gear options.

if you guys are saying that leveling and CMPing is so easy, why not level to 60 and max CMP instead of trying to pk level 60's at 59? durr hur

[Crono]

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

We actually are already doing that lol.

Just make sure it makes sense please.

[k_killar]

Make GFxers make armor show on your character.

[Elk]

Originally Posted by k_killar

Make GFxers make armor show on your character.

Show me how this would be possible

[Unkownsoldier]

Originally Posted by Elk

Show me how this would be possible

Pretty easily, you just need to make a new body for the overall person. Look at atrius they have a body that could work. Then you just develop the hat, body plate, leggings, shoes, and gloves. Then when you equip them they just show up such as in maple story.