Vulgar Chat Now Recorded

jake13jake · #1 11-07-2006, 07:56 PM

Vulgar chat is now recorded.
I would instruct the GP to only use it if there are complaints about someone being harassed. I have no intention of it being used to jail players for cursing in private conversation, etc. However, I don't control how it will be used, so talk to Stryker if you don't like it. Frankly I'm not shocked at how large the file is after one day.

Also, I'm not making an effort to make it not record certain words that conflict with spellings of words that are not vulgar, simply because the purpose is not to isolate vulgar language.

Darlene159 · #2 11-07-2006, 08:34 PM

Cool...I might start playing classic again

xAndrewx · #3 11-07-2006, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

Cool...I might start playing classic again

You didn't play due to vulgar messages? =O
Cool addition

Darlene159 · #4 11-07-2006, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by xAndrewx

You didn't play due to vulgar messages? =O
Cool addition

Correct, and harrassment. Seems the staff is commited to solving the problem though.

zim5354 · #5 11-08-2006, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

Correct, and harrassment. Seems the staff is commited to solving the problem though.

I wonder why you were harassed

Minoc · #6 11-08-2006, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by zim5354

I wonder why you were harassed

Because many players are too childish to confront her by other means?

KuJi · #7 11-07-2006, 09:24 PM

PHP Code:


			
function onActionServerSide(action)
{
  switch (action)
  {
    case "chat":
    {
      savelog2("chat.txt", format("%s: %s", player.account, params[1]));

      break;
    }
  }
}

//#CLIENTSIDE
function ChatBar.onAction()
{
  triggerserver("gui", this.name, "chat", ChatBar.text);
}

xAndrewx · #8 11-07-2006, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by KuJi

PHP Code:


			
stuff

Wrong, that records all. This one just records the Vulgar messages :P

KuJi · #9 11-07-2006, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by xAndrewx

Wrong, that records all. This one just records the Vulgar messages :P

o pff.

PHP Code:


			
this.chatrecord = {{"words", "here"}};



if (ChatBar.text.contains(this.chatrecord))

{

// SEND

}

xAndrewx · #10 11-07-2006, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by KuJi

o pff.

PHP Code:


			
this.chatrecord = {{"words", "here"}};



if (contains(ChatBar.text, this.chatrecord))

{

// SEND

}

Re-check

lol

KuJi · #11 11-07-2006, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by xAndrewx

Re-check

lol

Either one works.. or suppost to?

KuJi · #12 11-07-2006, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Skyld

Why do you insist on posting scripts in these threads? The thread's purpose is to inform you that the system already exists.

Boredom =(.

I think it's a stupid idea to log every single person's chat and send it to the server to log it.

but it can't be worse then the guy who did a 0.05 timeout triggering the server to just get the current chat and save it.. I felt bad for the 150 mb file in an hour =(

_Z3phyr_ · #13 11-08-2006, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Skyld

Why do you insist on posting scripts in these threads? The thread's purpose is to inform you that the system already exists.

Actually I appreciate the display so that I know it is simple, it works, and in this particular instance I learned how to make things happen when the player hits Enter in the Chat box text.

didn't know that. call me a noob.

maximus_asinus · #14 11-07-2006, 11:00 PM

I'm hoping this cannot log vulgar messages sent in toguilds...

This is starting to borderline invasion of privacy me thinks.

Darlene159 · #15 11-07-2006, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by maximus_asinus

I'm hoping this cannot log vulgar messages sent in toguilds...

This is starting to borderline invasion of privacy me thinks.

It should only be used to check on a message that was reported. I'm sure that is the purpose of it (or I hope so)

nO1 · #16 06-30-2007, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by maximus_asinus

This is starting to borderline invasion of privacy me thinks.

Agreed. I don't really feel comfortable with the fact that people like Stryker can read my PMs freely now.

This and the setnick logging system seem completely unnecessary. Swearing and harrassment through nicknames (this never happens) aren't really problems on classic anymore, and I'm confident that GPs can deal with the occasional offenders effectively without this big brother nonsense being implemented.

EDIT: It is interesting that the majority of people in support of this don't even play Classic though! Nanny nation.

Bell · #17 06-30-2007, 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by nO1

Agreed. I don't really feel comfortable with the fact that people like Stryker can read my PMs freely now.

This and the setnick logging system seem completely unnecessary. Swearing and harrassment through nicknames (this never happens) aren't really problems on classic anymore, and I'm confident that GPs can deal with the occasional offenders effectively without this big brother nonsense being implemented.

EDIT: It is interesting that the majority of people in support of this don't even play Classic though! Nanny nation.

Its not recording chat in pm's that I'm aware of, only masses, toalls, onscreen and toguilds. As for nicks the only time those are useful is if someone complains about being harrassed via pm's. It makes it easier to prove or disprove. Or if someone is using a nick to give out inappropriate links.

nikomi946 · #18 11-08-2006, 12:17 AM

Yes, thats its purpose. To be able to prove whether a complaint is manufactured chat to get someone in trouble or actual chat. I for one don't want to read through hundreds of MB's of logs just to pick on someone. Its only for claim substantiation.

Rufus · #19 11-08-2006, 05:43 AM

This would be pretty easy to evade wouldn't it?

KuJi · #20 11-08-2006, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Rufus

This would be pretty easy to evade wouldn't it?

sure @$$ Hole Migger DITCH KOCK SUCKER (example of avoiding it)

lol, but yeah.. will be easily - above is an example.

btw, I can bet I get an infraction for this =1

Twinny · #21 11-08-2006, 06:26 AM

Kuji - your probably on high infracture alert. You better believe the mods are taking extra care to check your every post

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I don't think constant monitoring is wise. I do prefer having the ability to monitor someone who haasrepeatedly done bad stuff but monitoring from go seems...invasive. Next there will be a room which has NPC's cloning each player showing their actions and speech

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1984 / Big Brother anyone?

jake13jake · #22 11-08-2006, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by KuJi

sure @$$ Hole Migger DITCH KOCK SUCKER (example of avoiding it)

lol, but yeah.. will be easily - above is an example.

btw, I can bet I get an infraction for this =1

uhh... that would actually be picked up just for the fact that it's very lenient in what it records.

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

Seems the staff is commited to solving the problem though.

I wouldn't say that statement is quite right. Staff... committed? So why I resigned as LAT Admin is a lie? Yet, I'm still doing a lot of the work, and meanwhile PR is threatening to remove my RC, though I don't believe he has a right to.

Rufus · #23 11-08-2006, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jake13jake

uhh... that would actually be picked up just for the fact that it's very lenient in what it records.

What if I cursed in French?

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Originally Posted by jake13jake

..meanwhile PR is threatening to remove my RC, though I don't believe he has a right to.

It should be the other way round in my opinion.

maximus_asinus · #24 11-08-2006, 06:33 AM

Ultimately I don't mind these additions, aslong as they are being used for what they were designed for. I don't want to see a couple months down the road (but probably will), GPs handing out warnings/jailings for profanity said in playerchat, or a toguilds if it wasn't reported as harassment/used in general conversation with another player.

Twinny · #25 11-08-2006, 06:39 AM

I hope GP's don't use logs as evidence 2+ weeks on. These logs should automatically be deleted after a certain amount of time..

It would suck to be jailed by a GP based on swear word count over 6 months

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smirt362 · #26 11-08-2006, 12:51 PM

You could probably easily set up a warning/auto-jail system that gives you so many warnings and then sends you to jail/silences you for a certain amount of time. I think we have something like that on the mass system on Maloria.

Tyhm · #27 11-09-2006, 12:00 AM

I think it should default to Off, and be activated by players. Thus, if someone's being harassed, they can turn on the recorder and Viola, evidence. Since players tend not to have access to serverside strings, relatively hacksafe...

jake13jake · #28 11-09-2006, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyhm

I think it should default to Off, and be activated by players. Thus, if someone's being harassed, they can turn on the recorder and Viola, evidence. Since players tend not to have access to serverside strings, relatively hacksafe...

Yea, but if there are a lot of them turned on it has the potential to lag the server to death.

Tyhm · #29 11-10-2006, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by jake13jake

Yea, but if there are a lot of them turned on it has the potential to lag the server to death.

...as opposed to them all, always being on? I think you've confused me-
Me: It should be something players have to turn on - you activate it recording incoming vulgarity to be used as evidence in a formal complaint, the rest of the time it's off.
You: But then if everyone turned it on at the same time, the server would lag to death.
Me: ...isn't that what it's doing now, Everyone has it turned on?

Maybe if it recorded multiple instances of the same people - all 20 people in level 14 turning it on and recording 20 instances each of the 19 other people each swearing - that could be a problem...

jake13jake · #30 11-10-2006, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Tyhm

...as opposed to them all, always being on? I think you've confused me-
Me: It should be something players have to turn on - you activate it recording incoming vulgarity to be used as evidence in a formal complaint, the rest of the time it's off.
You: But then if everyone turned it on at the same time, the server would lag to death.
Me: ...isn't that what it's doing now, Everyone has it turned on?

Maybe if it recorded multiple instances of the same people - all 20 people in level 14 turning it on and recording 20 instances each of the 19 other people each swearing - that could be a problem...

I thought you meant recording all chat.
Anyways, it's much much much simpler just to have it on all the time, and shouldn't lag the server at all.

Crono · #31 11-09-2006, 08:58 PM

i quit classic then

KuJi · #32 11-11-2006, 01:17 AM

recording all chat is death to the npc server x.x

Glefistus · #33 02-02-2007, 02:24 AM

wtf, classic used to be the only cool server swearing wise cuz they didnt care much. this sux, I am considering quitting classic 0.o

killerogue · #34 02-02-2007, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Glefistus

wtf, classic used to be the only cool server swearing wise cuz they didnt care much. this sux, I am considering quitting classic 0.o

This is what the Graal community has come to.

Polo · #35 02-02-2007, 05:22 PM

I should probably clarify this.

Personally, I don't care if you swear in messages to other player as long as your both happy for that to happen. The reason this was introduced was that before we would get a complaint about swearing, but have no evidence to go with it. Because of this, lot of people were reporting fellow players just to get them in trouble, often when they had not sworn at all. With things recorded, we can easily verify any claims, which just helps us from wrongly warning people. We are not going to troll through the history just to catch everyone who ever swore, it's only there as an aid for when its required. Anyway, in most cases players are not getting jailed for swearing unless it's very severe and persistent. In that case they are fully aware of what they are doing and will have had warnings (both informal and formal) before hand.

I should probably also point out that theres been quite an increase in vulgar mass messages over the last year or two, something that is preventing a lot of people from enjoying mass messages. I just wish people would have a little more thought about what they are massing at times, as Graal is a game for all ages.

Hope that clears thing up. You are welcome to ask me more about it in-game if you wish.

Darlene159 · #36 02-02-2007, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Polo

I should probably also point out that theres been quite an increase in vulgar mass messages over the last year or two, something that is preventing a lot of people from enjoying mass messages. I just wish people would have a little more thought about what they are massing at times, as Graal is a game for all ages.

The mass messages is why I was glad to see this implimented. I agree with you in saying it doesn't matter what people say in private PM's, as long as the other person doesn't mind, but like you, I wish people would show a little restraint in public/mass messages. Not everyone wants to read that stuff.

Devil · #37 02-02-2007, 05:55 PM

Considering at the end of the day, they are just words, words that people have been told that they are "bad".

I can't believe people actually cry over such little things. I would hate to see what they would be like in person.

Tigairius · #38 07-01-2007, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Devil

Considering at the end of the day, they are just words, words that people have been told that they are "bad".

I can't believe people actually cry over such little things. I would hate to see what they would be like in person.

I love you.

Devil · #39 02-02-2007, 06:56 PM

Don't get me twisted, I really hate going on classic (when I used too) and every man and his dog would be massiving absolute CRAP.

Tyhm · #40 02-02-2007, 08:59 PM

Thought:
There should be a seperate category for Persistent Messages. Instead of getting the same mass several times because that one guy wants to make sure everyone hears him asking where he get ying-yang in box, send a Persistent message and it's "stickied".
Also makes it easier for the GPs to figure out who's sending them, since it'll be there for a while if they're abusing it.