The Sparring Thread

Sword · #1 08-21-2005, 05:25 AM

I'm sure this idea is not one all too unique, but I think it's a good one, having not seen a thread like this in a long while. Sparring is the top event practiced on Graal - some take it seriously, some don't. With this thread, I have three questions:

1.) Who is the best sparrer on Graal? (Use the poll for this please, but also post your pick, if you'd like. I hope the provided choices are to your liking, as they should be.)
2.) Who are the top 10 sparrers on Graal, in order? (Please use the following 25-player pool, which was constructed by myself and others in intent to keep people from making cutesy favoritist lists: Brett, Neo, Gate, Ares, Thallen, Highlander, Quick Strike, Magnus, Sora/Renee, Deophite, Cyclone, Evenglare, Exodus, Clel, X-Storm, Onet, Tyrant, Tortoise, Nomad, King Clops, Mercury, Dark Pheonix, Mariah, Halo, FrozenHeat - I hope the list is to your liking.)
3.) What server is home to the best sparrers on Graal? (Please list your reason for picking what server you do, as well, which could come in the form of a list of sparrers or so forth.)

Matt · #2 08-21-2005, 05:45 AM

1.)Who is the best sparrer on Graal?No answer because i've only sparred people from Delteria and N-Pulse.

2.)Who are the top 10 sparrers on Graal, in order?FrozenHeat,Thallen,DP,Deophite,Highlander,Halo,
Gate,Ares,Sora,Exodus.

3.)What server is home to the best sparrers on Graal?
N-Pulse, and Delteria

Curt1zzle · #3 08-21-2005, 07:18 AM

Add my name! I DEMAND IT!

I'm a Messiah and founding NBK for God sakes!

Crono · #4 08-21-2005, 10:35 AM

Is this "Neo" Neo Jenova?

Sword · #5 08-21-2005, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerami

Is this "Neo" Neo Jenova?

Yes.

Also, I tried to make this list as active as possible. Daniel rarely spars even when he is online, which is maybe for a good 30 mins a week. Also, if you post, just to stay on topic, I'd really appreciate if you answered all 3 questions, rather than just one, to get this topic flowing. Thanks.

Polo · #6 08-21-2005, 12:00 PM

Best Sparrer: I dont anyone can ever create a list of fair choices for the poll. Different servers have differing lag and diferent typical styles, and so some people from better at different places. To create a list of 10 from one server alone is tricky, let alone from all of Graal.

Best 10 Sparrers: Of the 25 listed, all the ones I've sparred, I've at least beaten them once. I dont really think I can pick 10 from that.

Best Crop: Historically, Classic has always produced some of the best sparrers, at least in my opinion, though with the recent changes in hit detection, were in too much a transitional phase to really defend any kind of claim. I dont play/spar enough anywhere else to form an opinion.

xAndrewx · #7 08-21-2005, 01:36 PM

Daniel Demigod.

Malinko · #8 08-21-2005, 03:54 PM

Let's hold a random spar tournament with these sparrers to find out.

Sword · #9 08-21-2005, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Malinko

Let's hold a random spar tournament with these sparrers to find out.

Well, provided an average top 10, I think about 5 tournies including those 10 sparrers would be nice, to show consistancy. 1st place gets you 10 points, 2nd place earns 9, etc. After the 5 tournies, the player with the highest points wins. Or we could do 'round robin,' everyone spars everyone, player with the most wins... wins.

I figured the list I assembled cropped together the top 10 best active, but everyone has their own opinion, and my poll may not be perfect. I'd like more feedback.

Infernix · #10 08-21-2005, 05:43 PM

Ive sparred most of those people and beat them al even though a lot of them can still be me, it goes back and forth. Look nooblets let me teach you alittle about sparring. You dont have just one amazing sparrer on graal who is the best of them all. You have a select group of sparers that can compete against each other and win back and forth. There will never be the best. Unless your nothing but there Fan. Seriously I think this is nothing but a Fan Thread....and Im sure you have no clue who outa that group of people use a trainer.

I can answer #3 though, Npulse and UN are currently the spar zones and are the places youll find "some" of the best.

Chris · #11 08-21-2005, 07:14 PM

A few years ago, that list would be people mostly from early Shaded Legend.

NeoJenova · #12 08-21-2005, 07:35 PM

Lets all do a best 2/3 tournement.

You can all come participate in the UTC (Unholy Tournement of Champions) on August 26th.

Bring a friend and particpate in the UTCTT (Tag Tournement) on August 27th.

Inspiration · #13 08-21-2005, 07:42 PM

Cool I beat all these people more than 50% of the time when I was sparring, except brett who I was about 50/50 with.

NeoJenova · #14 08-21-2005, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Inspiration

Cool I beat all these people more than 50% of the time when I was sparring, except brett who I was about 50/50 with.

Pffft...

Deophite18 · #15 08-22-2005, 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inspiration

Cool I beat all these people more than 50% of the time when I was sparring, except brett who I was about 50/50 with.

likewise

Jared · #16 08-23-2005, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Inspiration

Cool I beat all these people more than 50% of the time when I was sparring, except brett who I was about 50/50 with.

Now we know that's a damn lie, don't we? How do we know? Because you've never beaten me a day in your life in all of the spars we've had throughout the years.. including some as recently as the middle of last year. I don't mean any offense really.. I just don't like it when someone who has never beaten me a day in his life says that he can beat me fifty percent of the time.

NeoJenova · #17 08-23-2005, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inspiration

Cool I beat all these people more than 50% of the time when I was sparring, except brett who I was about 50/50 with.

Prove it.

UTC.

August 26th.

Be there.

MKxTortoise · #18 08-23-2005, 08:57 PM

Hey Ken, sparring isn't a verbal activity. If you're so great come kill someone, quit talking about how good you used to be. Good then and good now are totally different things.

Sword · #19 08-23-2005, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeoJenova

Prove it.

UTC.

August 26th.

Be there.

You've already advertised once, please don't spam this thread with your tourny, especially when it's one that is currently being won by (obvious) speedhackers.

Also, I was just jailed on another account on UN for 'harassment upon NJ' according to Booj. I beat Neo in spar two times on NP and he was embarassed, and this is the way he vents out his anger. Immature and irresponsible, look at for these things if you participate in the UTC or play UN at all.
Along with the new arena, this is why all the good sparrers play NP.

Back on topic, now.

NeoJenova · #20 08-24-2005, 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sword

You've already advertised once, please don't spam this thread with your tourny, especially when it's one that is currently being won by (obvious) speedhackers.

Also, I was just jailed on another account on UN for 'harassment upon NJ' according to Booj. I beat Neo in spar two times on NP and he was embarassed, and this is the way he vents out his anger. Immature and irresponsible, look at for these things if you participate in the UTC or play UN at all.
Along with the new arena, this is why all the good sparrers play NP.

Back on topic, now.

Huh?

diagram · #21 08-24-2005, 04:19 AM

I fail to see the entertainment in sword servers, so I really can't judge.

However, from the bolded sentence below, I can tell you're a complete failure.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sword

You've already advertised once, please don't spam this thread with your tourny, especially when it's one that is currently being won by (obvious) speedhackers.

Congratulations.

Chris · #22 08-24-2005, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diagram

I fail to see the entertainment in sword servers, so I really can't judge.

However, from the bolded sentence below, I can tell you're a complete failure.

Congratulations.

Meph rox, k?

Sword · #23 08-21-2005, 09:58 PM

I really adore how you guys vote on the poll but don't participate with the other 2 questions within the topic.

Zurkiba · #24 08-21-2005, 11:34 PM

Farin
and 2k1

ThinkDifferent · #25 09-01-2005, 05:41 PM

(This is Fidel Castro Illusion / Joker Rain)

None of those people listed can be considered the best sparrers on Graal. As previously stated, with different lags and such, there are a lot of dependant variables (I think?). I have beaten all of them at least a few times, and some more than others. Tort doesn't win anywhere but Delteria, seeing as on Delteria he is never banned for toggle usage. When he comes to N-Pulse, he has never beaten me. Highlander beats me more than I beat him, but out of the rare times that we spar I do beat him also. I have only sparred NJ twice, and it was one a peice. There are many better sparrers than those listed, and instead of boosting your ego and saying that you can decide who is the best and who isn't, you should organize a Graal wide spar tournament.

NeoJenova · #26 09-01-2005, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThinkDifferent

you should organize a Graal wide spar tournament.

http://wgfc.myfreebb.com/index.php?s...428115b41fb7cd

Stay up on how it goes its a World Graal Fighting Circuit.

Sorry Invite Only, I didn't organize it don't ask me anything about it.

Check the matches held section of the forum and the rankings of the forum every other day it is usually updated.

Jared · #27 09-09-2005, 02:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThinkDifferent

(This is Fidel Castro Illusion / Joker Rain)

Highlander beats me more than I beat him, but out of the rare times that we spar I do beat him also.

You have never won a spar against me? I remember beating you 4-0 in the finals of two et tourneys on n-pulse on the same day. I don't remember sparring you any other times, but if I did, I'm sure you lost or I would remember it. I do remember you begging me to let you win a spar in one of those tourneys, though.

Also, being able to beat a person once out of a bunch of spars doesn't mean you're as good as them. Anyone can beat anyone once.

Corp1 · #28 09-09-2005, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jared

Also, being able to beat a person once out of a bunch of spars doesn't mean you're as good as them. Anyone can beat anyone once.

A point well made that some Graalians cant seem to grasp the concept of...

Wormx2 · #29 09-09-2005, 06:29 PM

Thats why serious spars are always two out of three...

Deek2 · #30 09-11-2005, 12:38 AM

No <3 for the Deek in this thread.

MKxTortoise · #31 08-21-2005, 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sword

1.) Who is the best sparrer on Graal? (Use the poll for this please, but also post your pick, if you'd like. I hope the provided choices are to your liking, as they should be.)

Me, Brett, or Neo. I voted for myself but that was to be expected.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sword

2.) Who are the top 10 sparrers on Graal, in order? (Please use the following 25-player pool, which was constructed by myself and others in intent to keep people from making cutesy favoritist lists: Brettx, Neox, Gatex, Aresx, Thallenx, Highlanderx, Quick Strikex, Magnusx, Sora/Reneex, Deophitex, Cyclonex, Evenglarex, Exodusx, Clelx, X-Stormx, Onetx, Tyrantx, Tortoisex, Nomadx, King Clopsx, Mercuryx, Dark Pheonixx, Mariahx, Halox, FrozenHeatx - I hope the list is to your liking.)

Brett, NeoJenova, Tortoise, Highlander, Quick Strike, Sora, Magnus, Deophyte, X-Storm, Ares

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sword

3.) What server is home to the best sparrers on Graal? (Please list your reason for picking what server you do, as well, which could come in the form of a list of sparrers or so forth.)

Almost certainly Unholy Nation.

Boy I can't wait until people who used to play come in and talk about how much they owned back in version 2.x when "sparring really mattered" or something.

KensuKusangi · #32 08-21-2005, 11:12 PM

i owned back in version 2.x back when sparring really mattered

Minoc · #33 08-21-2005, 11:19 PM

Xavier or Bloodysin.

Crono · #34 08-21-2005, 11:30 PM

neo, not tortoise

simple as that

James205 · #35 08-22-2005, 01:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sword

1.) Who is the best sparrer on Graal? (Use the poll for this please, but also post your pick, if you'd like. I hope the provided choices are to your liking, as they should be.)

Magnus, Clops, Frozenheat, Juntao and Roman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sword

2.) Who are the top 10 sparrers on Graal, in order? (Please use the following 25-player pool, which was constructed by myself and others in intent to keep people from making cutesy favoritist lists: Brett, Neo, Gate, Ares, Thallen, Highlander, Quick Strike, Magnus, Sora/Renee, Deophite, Cyclone, Evenglare, Exodus, Clel, X-Storm, Onet, Tyrant, Tortoise, Nomad, King Clops, Mercury, Dark Pheonix, Mariah, Halo, FrozenHeat - I hope the list is to your liking.)

Too bad I don't play n-pulse/unholy nation so maybe i would be on that list ;P

Top 10:
Frozenheat
Clops
Nomad
Highlander

That's all I think actually disserve to be on the list, everyone these days changes their latency or some other settings now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sword

3.) What server is home to the best sparrers on Graal? (Please list your reason for picking what server you do, as well, which could come in the form of a list of sparrers or so forth.)

Easily would of been Shaded Legend but due to lack of players it's most likely Npulse/unholy nation.

The Evil Within · #36 08-22-2005, 06:17 AM

I voted for Brett just because he's the best on the list.

Top 11 (in order from best to worst) is as follows: Halo, FrozenHeat, Shadow Dynasty, Myself, Brett, Tortoise, Thallen, Highlander, Gate, Dark Phoenix, Jeebs (not using your list cause your people mostly suck).

The best Sparrers don't really have a home server, almost everyone on my top 10 list jumps between servers, but they all call either UN, N-Pulse, or Delt home so those 3 servers are where the "best sparrers" are from I guess.

syltburk · #37 08-22-2005, 12:13 PM

Renees only good because of her incredible lag.

XGoLink · #38 08-22-2005, 01:57 PM

Infernix · #39 08-22-2005, 06:24 PM

Zz Anyone who uses a trainer and doesnt get caught is my vote. QS and Thallen arnt bad everyone else is like blah no competition there or uses a trainer so they dont count.

o and Delteria has ok sparers I find like atleast 3 people who are good there once in awile. Thats are willing to spar atleast....isnt that bull**** how everyone thinks they are so good but sit there like bums and never spar. =( and those people with like 1800 rate afraid to spar a 1200..rofl thats sad.

Sword · #40 08-22-2005, 08:49 PM

The thread is going pretty good so far,l no big arguements or anything like that.
I'm trying to get at least 50 votes before the 30-day expiration on the poll is up, so get some people to check the thread out and give us their opinion!

View Poll Results: Who is the best sparrer on Graal?
Ares	2	4.08%
Brett	8	16.33%
Thallen	7	14.29%
Exodus	4	8.16%
Highlander	1	2.04%
Tortoise	10	20.41%
Clel	0	0%
Quick Strike	2	4.08%
Neo	11	22.45%
Cyclone	4	8.16%
Voters: 49. You may not vote on this poll