Events and gps vs Hosted section?

[excaliber7388]

I've heard multiple people say that having events team or GPs as staff before you are hosted, you may hurt yout chances for getting your server on the hosted section. First off, is this true? If so, this is a rather foolish rule. I know that while in develope mode, you shouldn't have that kind of staff because you're developing, but that doesn't make much sence. The events on my sevrer are responsible for making events, as well as hosting them. In fact, the old events admin recently became good enough at levels and scripting to get the Co-manager possition. If it weren't for the fact that he was an events member, he never would have gotten this far (in fact in the beggining he only wanted to be events). He's contributed a LOT to the server, and if he had not been with us as an events member, he never would have helped us out with our levels and such. My GP chief has been on DR for more hours than me, and has contributed, gfx, heads, and bodies, as well as levels. So yes, it's a dev sevrer, and all staff members server to make the server better in some way. If you have only dev staff, and you have 10 staff members who work on ONLY dev materials, you're not doing as good as a server with 10 dev staff, and 7 events or gps, who also contribute. My non dev staff have helped push DR on a lot, and have made it fun (as DR has been playable for some time). We have a good events system, coins, and prizes, as well as a good jailing system, why waste them? So, if this is a real rule, I would like a good explanation for it, and why i should get rid of some of my staff, just because they would rather host an event than make levels (and all the events or GPs have uploaded something to the server anyway). So why make these rules that would only slow me down? Please clear this rumor up, and if it's not a rumor, help me to understand why it is a rule. Thanks!

[napo_p2p]

Because normally a dev server has not enough playerbase to require a separate group that handles JUST events or JUST player relations.

And yes, this is pretty much a rule:

Originally Posted by Playerworld Rules

Invisible and closed off playerworlds do not need staff such as FAQs, GPs until they are visible. So they should not have any of these staff. When they are visible but in the 3rd tab they should wait to see if they need these extra staff, as they may not.

It it reasonable to hire event staff for your server if they are also developing the events. However, if your event staff are meant to just host events, then it probably isn't neccessary. In your case it seems ok.

[excaliber7388]

yeah, all staff do something for developement, but the server does have a large playerbase for a dev server, we've gone days with over 20 players on. We don't have many events team members, or Gps, but they do help, and GPs have jailed already, and events are hosted as well, but when there aren't many people on, they do dev work, or in between events they help out.

[MysticX2X]

THats funny, i only see staff on and 2 people who visit for a minute.

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

THats funny, i only see staff on and 2 people who visit for a minute.

If you don't have anything inteligent to say, don't say anything at all.
DR does have players to interact with, however, all staff do something for the server. GPs allow people to work, and the server to be up at the same time, so that we can have players, keep them under control, and still develope a server. Though, we have had very few problems, the system for jailing even gives GPs enough time to help out. So in a way, everyone is developing, no matter what tag they have on

[Warcaptain]

Just curious (not trying to be antagonistic here or anything) but what buisness is it of Graal's what 'staff' positions an owner wants to make? I mean.. I can understand (somewhat) moderating RC access a bit, but if I want to give someone a 'Boob' tag and make them in charge of seeing if bushes respawn.. and putting them on the staff list.. what buisness is it of yours to tell me not to do that? (really, again.. not trying to be a jerk just trying to find out your reasoning)

[Yen]

Originally Posted by Warcaptain

Just curious (not trying to be antagonistic here or anything) but what buisness is it of Graal's what 'staff' positions an owner wants to make? I mean.. I can understand (somewhat) moderating RC access a bit, but if I want to give someone a 'Boob' tag and make them in charge of seeing if bushes respawn.. and putting them on the staff list.. what buisness is it of yours to tell me not to do that? (really, again.. not trying to be a jerk just trying to find out your reasoning)

It's not like they're paying for the se-- Oh wait, they are.

[GryffonDurime]

I think I may well be the only member of 2k1 Dev who can not script, gani, make graphics or levels. This, however, is more a server issue.

I agree that a manager, when paying for a server, should be able to hire staff as is his wont, so long as he comes to terms with the security risk that puts his project at.

[ApothiX]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

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My god, it took me like 20 mins to read that damn thing due to the lack of formatting and decent punctuation.

Originally Posted by GryffonDurime

I agree that a manager, when paying for a server, should be able to hire staff as is his wont, so long as he comes to terms with the security risk that puts his project at.

What about having staff members that put general GraalOnline security at risk, or who's sole purpose is to annoy the playerbase? Should managers still be allowed to hire those people?

[Malinko]

Well, the purpose of development playerworlds is to develop. So it's quite okay to hire Events Team to create events for the playerworld.

Positions such as F.A.Q. and Graal Police aren't needed as much since those positions tend to interact with players. Most underconstruction playerworlds do not have players, so there is no purpose. Of course, there could be some sort of position I guess. I've seen F.A.Q. and Graal Police people develop. I remember when the current Manager of Delteria, MisconectioN was GP Chief or so and he was making a spar complex. I guess that's usually okay. Maybe it's a peference thing to be player staff rather than development staff. Who knows.

But in general, there shouldn't be staff on UC playerworlds who do no work.

[Warcaptain]

Originally Posted by Malinko

Well, the purpose of development playerworlds is to develop. So it's quite okay to hire Events Team to create events for the playerworld.

Positions such as F.A.Q. and Graal Police aren't needed as much since those positions tend to interact with players. Most underconstruction playerworlds do not have players, so there is no purpose. Of course, there could be some sort of position I guess. I've seen F.A.Q. and Graal Police people develop. I remember when the current Manager of Delteria, MisconectioN was GP Chief or so and he was making a spar complex. I guess that's usually okay. Maybe it's a peference thing to be player staff rather than development staff. Who knows.

But in general, there shouldn't be staff on UC playerworlds who do no work.

There shouldn't be, in the sense that there really is no purpose. But there is no reason why there cant be. Especially when we are paying $100 a year to have that playerworld.

As long as we arent violating any copyright laws, or creating security issues, we should have the right to call anyone staff we want.

[unixmad]

Do you think $99 a year is really paying the costs for running a server ?

Also Playeworlds are part of the Graal Player community and to run the Graal community we need rules. We need to enforce rules because Players are paying for playing graal and we can not let a playerworld owner ban someone with not good reason (to give a exemple).

You can still discuss the rules and give your point of view but when we give rules they should be respected by everyone.

Originally Posted by Warcaptain

There shouldn't be, in the sense that there really is no purpose. But there is no reason why there cant be. Especially when we are paying $100 a year to have that playerworld.

As long as we arent violating any copyright laws, or creating security issues, we should have the right to call anyone staff we want.

[Warcaptain]

Originally Posted by unixmad

Do you think $99 a year is really paying the costs for running a server ?

Also Playeworlds are part of the Graal Player community and to run the Graal community we need rules. We need to enforce rules because Players are paying for playing graal and we can not let a playerworld owner ban someone with not good reason (to give a exemple).

You can still discuss the rules and give your point of view but when we give rules they should be respected by everyone.

I totally agree with you. There need to be rules. I did mention security issues, but I didn't think to mention account issues, which is entirely valid. Players also pay to play which means that they have rights.

My statements were supposed to say that its unfair to say that they can't give jobs to whomever they want. RC is another thing, if they are not showing responsibility towards their RC Management then the Graal should step in. But, as I said, if a playerworld wanted to start hiring and training staff for non-development jobs then they should have the right. But the same rules apply to non-development RC's as would any other RC's.. instead of focusing on denying people the ability to hire or create whatever staff positions they want, you should focus on policing irresponsible behavior by staff in general and/or managment.

As for the server fee's, I do not think that it is unreasonable, in fact I think it's not bad at all. I do believe that requiring playerworld managers to have a gold and/or VIP account is a bit unfair. If someone wishes to develope a playerworld they shouldn't have to have a gold or vip account to log onto that playerworld and have limited rights on the forums. I am trying to look at things on the point of view of perspective gamers and developers.. they don't want to have to pay to view something they develop. I feel that graal is making some great steps to become a more mainstream game, but there are still many changes left to make and I am happy to see you and Stefan are attempting to take them in a more constructive manner. Keep up the good work.

[Matt]

I think Managers don't hire ETs and GPs just for them to do their job. I think a small part of this has to do with playercount. Some managers tend to hire GPs for the sole purpose of being active and helping keep the playerworlds playercount up, because a high playercount will most likely attract more players and possibly developers.

But as its been said before, although managers love trying to create a good playerworld, they along with the rest of their staff need to obey and enforce the rules of GraalOnline.

[Mark Sir Link]

Originally Posted by unixmad

Do you think $99 a year is really paying the costs for running a server ?

Yes. Don't kid yourself, a company cannot sustain itself if it is not making profits. If you're losing money, or breaking even on graal servers, you'd probably cease the ability to posess them.

Perhaps 99 dollars != cost of a server, but last time I checked, there are 5 servers running 100 plus GServers.