IP Banned

Moonite · #1 12-19-2003, 08:41 AM

Greets,

so if u dont wannaa read my pm's I start a tread

I got banned because he upgraded my acc
I didnt know he was a hacker

so stefan(or other high staff) blocked my ip adres...

so I get Lifetime ban only because I gave my password out?

this is not fair

I want second chance

please...

w3dg1tz8 · #2 12-19-2003, 09:06 AM

I was told be a certain global admin that they don't use global IP bans anymore...

Thought · #3 12-19-2003, 09:20 AM

Still, account sharing is illegal...

w3dg1tz8 · #4 12-19-2003, 10:06 AM

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Originally posted by Thought
Still, account sharing is illegal...

That hardly classifies for an IP ban...

syltburk · #5 12-19-2003, 10:16 AM

wow is this hard to anderstand

NEVER EVER give OUT your PASSWORD to PEOPLE

dlang · #6 12-19-2003, 10:18 AM

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Originally posted by w3dg1tz8

That hardly classifies for an IP ban...

I agree

w3dg1tz8 · #7 12-19-2003, 10:20 AM

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Originally posted by syltburk
wow is this hard to anderstand

NEVER EVER give OUT your PASSWORD to PEOPLE

I'm not sure about anyone else here, but I don't care that he was sharing an account. To me, sharing an account is a small time and getting an IP ban for it (if he is telling the truth and the correct story) is rediculous. It seems to me as though minor rules are being enforced more than the important ones.

Loriel · #8 12-19-2003, 12:52 PM

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Originally posted by w3dg1tz8
I was told be a certain global admin that they don't use global IP bans anymore...

Said global admin seems to have been wrong.

Moonite was indeed IP banned because his account was fraudently upgraded, so to speak.

Crono · #9 12-19-2003, 01:37 PM

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Originally posted by syltburk
wow is this hard to anderstand

NEVER EVER give OUT your PASSWORD to PEOPLE

But I remember Lyzndzey (spelling?) said that it was ok for people to upgrade your account if you get the recipt right after and change your password right away.

DarkShadows_Legend · #10 12-19-2003, 02:02 PM

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Originally posted by Gerami

But I remember Lyzndzey (spelling?) said that it was ok for people to upgrade your account if you get the recipt right after and change your password right away.

I remember that too.
Unixmad said it was okay in one of his recent very long threads, but the people that do this put themselves at risk of being banned. He said it around the time Sky, Negligence, Devil and a few others got banned for CC fraud.

Moonite · #11 12-19-2003, 02:06 PM

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He said it around the time Sky, Negligence, Devil and a few others got banned for CC fraud.

IP ban? or just that acc that was upgraded?

Crono · #12 12-19-2003, 08:55 PM

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Originally posted by DarkShadows_Legend

I remember that too.
Unixmad said it was okay in one of his recent very long threads, but the people that do this put themselves at risk of being banned. He said it around the time Sky, Negligence, Devil and a few others got banned for CC fraud.

Devil got unbanned before anyone else did .. and the person who "frauded" (his cc expired as he said) was exgear.

syltburk · #13 12-19-2003, 09:55 PM

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Originally posted by w3dg1tz8

I'm not sure about anyone else here, but I don't care that he was sharing an account. To me, sharing an account is a small time and getting an IP ban for it (if he is telling the truth and the correct story) is rediculous. It seems to me as though minor rules are being enforced more than the important ones.

It was a suggestion

Lyndzey · #14 12-19-2003, 10:04 PM

I was told it is ok but if you are banned, you can never be unbanned.

And with the IP thing, I might have told you I can't IP ban but Stefan and unixmad can.

Moonite · #15 12-19-2003, 10:05 PM

so.. I can never play graal anymore @ home?

I gave my server alrdy to Loriel....

syltburk · #16 12-19-2003, 10:13 PM

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Originally posted by Moonite
so.. I can never play graal anymore @ home?

Probably not.

marcoR · #17 12-19-2003, 10:57 PM

IP bans are hard to get rid of..

TripleE · #18 12-19-2003, 11:17 PM

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Originally posted by w3dg1tz8

That hardly classifies for an IP ban...

Well there may have been other reasons why Moonite was IP banned. IP bans are usually for people who are known hackers, or make threats about hacking graal. But if it's credit card fraud, mayeb the admins decided that it's best to have frradulant peple out of gral completly?

WHIPENIE4 · #19 12-20-2003, 12:34 AM

if only you knew how many Account Sharings go on in Graal, I see it all the time, report it, never are they banned on Classic x.x I dont even think the GPs care about it anymore. but hey. If Harrasment is Global Ban, Account Sharing should be too

Moonite · #20 12-20-2003, 09:04 AM

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We only block ips when there are DDos attacks, not ips of normal players. So it's porbably a different problem.

I didnt hack...

Spark910 · #21 12-20-2003, 12:19 PM

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Originally posted by Moonite

I didnt hack...

What is the ban reason? (I didnt read post, so sorry if its already been said)...hm... btw whats the protest here? If you want to be reduced to a normal global account ban you still can't use graal as its against the rules to come back with a new account +_+

Moonite · #22 12-20-2003, 01:59 PM

Why they just did blocked that upgraded acc?

Milkdude99 · #23 12-20-2003, 03:03 PM

This thread is illegal to start with , discussion of bans are not allowed on the Forums.

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-----GENERAL-----
Discussions of bans are not permissible. If you have a question about a ban or would like to make an appeal, contact the relevant administrator by Forum PM (Private Message) or by e-mail.

A mod please close this thread.....

w3dg1tz8 · #24 12-20-2003, 03:36 PM

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Originally posted by Milkdude99
This thread is illegal to start with , discussion of bans are not allowed on the Forums.

A mod please close this thread.....

Ugh, no. I disagree with that rule and you on this one. Only Stefan and unixmad can IP ban and we know how hard it is to get in contact with them (like fugitive Saddam and Bin Laden). Anyways, this should stay unless one of you global goody-two shoes will work this out.

I don't like the chances of that though...

Darlene159 · #25 12-20-2003, 04:24 PM

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Originally posted by w3dg1tz8

Ugh, no. I disagree with that rule and you on this one. Only Stefan and unixmad can IP ban and we know how hard it is to get in contact with them (like fugitive Saddam and Bin Laden). Anyways, this should stay unless one of you global goody-two shoes will work this out. I don't like the chances of that though...

Regardless of what you think, it is still against the rules to post about bans on the forums.

Moonite · #26 12-20-2003, 06:40 PM

Lol

I send stefan Lots of Pm's and Send unixmand lots of emails..

but if they dont ansere me...
so I started this tread

I payed this year 145€ for graal.
and u guys just ban me...

and Stefan if u only ban IP adresses if someone hack with DOS graal or someting like that..
why is my ip adress banned then?

I want Justice

:o

Milkdude99 · #27 12-20-2003, 07:10 PM

It is pretty clear on who to contact for certain things . There is a chain of command on Graal as in real life, going straight to Stefan or Unixmad is not the proper way of doing it and is why you don't get an answer 99% of the time.

Account problems --- Go to Lyndzey ( Accounts Admin )
That's her job.

Playerworld Problems--- Go to the PWA
Thats their job

if you follow these 2 simple guildelines you just may get something done alot sooner..

DarkShadows_Legend · #28 12-20-2003, 08:16 PM

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Originally posted by Milkdude99
Account problems --- Go to Lyndzey ( Accounts Admin )
That's her job.

She won't do anything to help this person with a problem like this. Her intent was to make this thread so she can get advice on what she needed to do and/or find out why she was banned.

WHIPENIE4 · #29 12-20-2003, 08:50 PM

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Originally posted by Darlene159
Regardless of what you think, it is still against the rules to post about bans on the forums.

and it is neither of your jobs to tell us this, if the Administrators think so THEY CAN delete it. 1 of them have already replied i guess that means its ok.

Darlene159 · #30 12-20-2003, 09:05 PM

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Originally posted by WHIPENIE4

and it is neither of your jobs to tell us this, if the Administrators think so THEY CAN delete it. 1 of them have already replied i guess that means its ok.

Doesn't have to be my job to keep people from getting in trouble...I am just a nice person that way

Milkdude99 · #31 12-20-2003, 09:30 PM

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Originally posted by WHIPENIE4

and it is neither of your jobs to tell us this, if the Administrators think so THEY CAN delete it. 1 of them have already replied i guess that means its ok.

No it means Angel hasn't seen it yet , but I will make sure she does.

WHIPENIE4 · #32 12-20-2003, 09:42 PM

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Originally posted by Milkdude99
No it means Angel hasn't seen it yet , but I will make sure she does.

STEFAN is in charge of Angel, STEFAN has seen this post, STEFAN had the choice to delete it but did not. Angel can't do anything about it if Stefan hasn't

Milkdude99 · #33 12-20-2003, 09:43 PM

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Originally posted by DarkShadows_Legend

She won't do anything to help this person with a problem like this. Her intent was to make this thread so she can get advice on what she needed to do and/or find out why she was banned.

You don't speak for Lyndzey and it is not your place to say what she will do or not do. She deals with accounts and that is what she does. She does not select what she will do or not do. if it is within her power she will or get with Unixmad or Stefan on it. (She does have a high global RC) As for her intent, I do not question her intent only the method she chose; which is the Forums. Regardless of intent it is illegal to do so here, you cannot run the Forums or the Game but making things illegal but if the intent is good we will overlook it type attitude. Use the protocols provided to solve a problem you have , it is why they are set up that way.

WHIPENIE4 · #34 12-20-2003, 09:51 PM

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Originally posted by Milkdude99
You don't speak for Lyndzey and it is not your place to say what she will do or not do. She deals with accounts and that is what she does. She does not select what she will do or not do. if it is within her power she will or get with Unixmad or Stefan on it. (She does have a high global RC) As for her intent, I do not question her intent only the method she chose; which is the Forums. Regardless of intent it is illegal to do so here, you cannot run the Forums or the Game but making things illegal but if the intent is good we will overlook it type attitude. Use the protocols provided to solve a problem you have , it is why they are set up that way.

Lyndzey has already stated she can't help. Why can't you understand this?

Divider · #35 12-20-2003, 09:52 PM

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Stefan or Unixmad is not the proper way of doing it and is why you don't get an answer 99% of the time.

Going to Stefan is always a good option, he actually listens when you PM him, worked for me when I got banned on forums for "trying to steal my account" and no one else would listen, they were like "suuure", well..they didnt literally say that, but you get the picture.

w3dg1tz8 · #36 12-21-2003, 02:15 AM

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Originally posted by Milkdude99
You don't speak for Lyndzey and it is not your place to say what she will do or not do. She deals with accounts and that is what she does. She does not select what she will do or not do. if it is within her power she will or get with Unixmad or Stefan on it. (She does have a high global RC) As for her intent, I do not question her intent only the method she chose; which is the Forums. Regardless of intent it is illegal to do so here, you cannot run the Forums or the Game but making things illegal but if the intent is good we will overlook it type attitude. Use the protocols provided to solve a problem you have , it is why they are set up that way.

haha.

to all your posts. Wow, what to start with first... this a tough one. I'm really sure Lyndzey and the PWA team have so much power to deal with an IP ban (unbanning it). The only things you could possibly do is go and talk to unixmad and/or Stefan about it.

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Stefan or Unixmad is not the proper way of doing it and is why you don't get an answer 99% of the time.

Tsk, tsk, tsk, Milkman. Seeing as though you say that, I'd like to see the little team of "elite" global administrators unban this guy without going to Stefan or unixmad.

But then again, I don't think you were talking about globals in general, just us small people who play and contribute money to Graal, right?

Darlene159 · #37 12-21-2003, 04:02 AM

w3d...Lyndzey can ban and unban accounts, it is her job to take care of accounts

DarkShadows_Legend · #38 12-21-2003, 04:29 AM

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Originally posted by Darlene159
w3d...Lyndzey can ban and unban accounts, it is her job to take care of accounts

She is very reluctant to carry out those actions though.

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Posted by Moon God
You don't speak for Lyndzey and it is not your place to say what she will do or not do. She deals with accounts and that is what she does.

Of course I don't. I wasn't speaking for her. I was stating what I know to be true based on a past experience where she refused to help someone I knew that had a similar problem.

Also she (Lyndzey) did post here.

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Posted by Lyndzey
And with the IP thing, I might have told you I can't IP ban but Stefan and unixmad can.

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Posted by Moon God
Regardless of intent it is illegal to do so here, you cannot run the Forums or the Game but making things illegal but if the intent is good we will overlook it type attitude.

Are those rules current and official or out of date and questionable? Please provide proof. (a link would be nice).

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Posted by Moon God
As for her intent, I do not question her intent only the method she chose; which is the Forums.

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Posted by Moonite
so if u dont wannaa read my pm's I start a tread

She was ignored and so she sought out another way to get her question answered. Stefan did respond, and he did not close the thread like he could have done.

Darlene159 · #39 12-21-2003, 04:51 AM

here DarkShadows_Legend

http://forums.graal2001.com/forums/a...p?s=&forumid=4

new rules, it is at the bottom

190 · #40 12-21-2003, 05:19 AM

Buy your own account...