You Want Real Balance in the Kingdoms?

[ariella]

Well I'm probablly setting myself up for even more harrassment, but here's an idea for getting more "balance" in game play. I've heard alot of suggestions for why a "New Kingdom" should be established. But here's an idea Stefan.... a New Kingdom Island" run by female players!!!! There is definately a lack of balance on this server when it comes to male and female players. If you just look how the kingdoms are set up you can see that it's geared toward male players.

This thread is not meant to attack male players, or the reputation of Graal itself. I'm just trying to state the facts. Most female players (including myself) who have ever reached any kind of real role within their kingdom (including having "rights") have to wait twice as long (if not longer) then male players to achieve that status. Most female ranks like Queen and Princess are social roles within most kingdoms, and have no real authority... which also comes down to no real respect as a player for your achievements. I am very thankful for Zen who has at least after I had been playing for 6 months., and there was a governemt overahaul.. has given me some rights in the kingdom. But I know I will never ever have the chance to be his second in command... or someday have a chance to be the kingdom leader, no matter how long I play. That's just how it is.

Now please before you start slamming me with critisizm, this isn't an idea just to so i can be a "leader" But why shouldn't I or any other female at least be able to know that it's a role that she can achieve for the same reasons as a male player.

We have all read the comments in other threads about the sexual harassment - verbal abuse etc... that almost every single female that i have ever talked to on this server has had to endure. Some male players understand how this kind of behavior is a "serious problem" and some don't see it as a problem at all. But never the less it continues! And the bottom line is if female players were respected at all... "This would not be happeneing at the degree it does.

A Kingdom run by females would at least give us a chance to better use our skills and talents that are otherwise being overlooked. It would give new female players a place to grow as a player without having to submit to "gender" harrassment in and out of her guild. There are all kinds of reasons that its a good idea. And it will be interesting to see the response this post gets. So post away! And Stefan..It would be good to hear your comments about it!!!!

[Matin]

I really like the idea...
An isle full of amazones
The paradise

[Xeross]

That wold rule =)

[Tseng]

I thought the idea of RPing and RPing Kingdoms was to simulate a society that had a certain set of rules, both written and unwritten. You complain of a lack of female roles in that society - yet, it would not be a very accurate RP if that were the case. Now, if a king died and there were no princes to take the throne, then yes a queen could come to power.

Regardless; your proposed idea is good in theory. It is a good solution to the problem you stated.

I only have one question: but a kingdom of all females? Considering the female population of graal kingdoms (and all of graal for that matter) is relatively small, what'll that do to all the regular kingdoms? Take all the females out, and then you are just rather undoing the whole society. Segregated Kingdoms is what would result. Ugh.

[ariella]

I only have one question: but a kingdom of all females? Considering the female population of graal kingdoms (and all of graal for that matter) is relatively small, what'll that do to all the regular kingdoms? Take all the females out, and then you are just rather undoing the whole society. Segregated Kingdoms is what would result. Ugh.

I hear what your saying Tseng... and one the kingdom would be an option for female players to join.. not a demand. And it would definately have to be thought out well before put into action.

I also agree with you that kingdoms have rules etc. But a rule is only as good as there enforcement.

And maybe the RP of kingdoms is that "its a man's world" Then what I am suggesting is an RP Kingdom where "its a woman's world" and while I am sure there will be clashes... at least female and male players will be on fair ground when dealing with or oevercoming it.

As far as it being a small kingdom... for now yes.... but again don't under estimate the power of female players to build a successful, thriving kingdom with even more "female players" joining graal and staying!

[Dark-Hashi]

Tseng is right... I am totally for a new kingdom, But this ruling by females thing is way over the top, If a female wanted to they could take control of one of the kingdoms... We have all seen LA been queen of nearly all kingdoms.. ok bad example hehe, But If a kingdom (as Tseng said) had all females then the other kingdoms wouldn't have queens or any women at all o.o Now that would create a bigger unbalance.. and on a personal note Raz... You could become the king of Zormite if you took it to yourself to do so... I don't mean overthrow Zen but I am just saying females have all rights males have they just don't use it...

[Muha_builder]

Hey.. I voted for (2)NO cause in the first place i though it was a bad idea.. Not such a bad idea but it can be solved on a EASY way



But what you are telling about that females have to wait twice as long as males for a role with rights..That isnt true at all..Maybe a liltle bit but the kingdoms Dustari,Zormite Republic,Cresent Pirates,Forest, Samurai could add more female ranks and some female ranks with rights.. How's that? This is how the problem of you females could be solved very easy.. easier than your idea..

[TifaKhan]

Well my sister and i like the idea.
Everything said is true.
Take Pirates for examly.
I was the only one left on tag for a long long time, i finally got promoted to , dum dum dum, postman???????
i was like ok, this is totally sexist
setnick Tiffany Mazus of the sexist (Crescent Pirates)
lol
ok i have a wierd sense of humour as many will agree.
But in time i made Lady and got rights to recruit and aprove
houses (thank you Nate!)
And even though my rank will change hopefully i'll still be able to continue helping out that way.
(I guess Lady doesnt sound Piratey, what else would you call a female pirate) ponders the issue..
Anyway, sadly its true not many girls play Graal let alone Graal Kingdoms.
Even if this shouldnt come about, least it might make people realize we arent just dumb females, i run a server, ive proven i can do what they can.
And i started to resurect Pirates, even though i glady say, Ghost PIrate has given us a lot to think about now hes back.
Hes making us *terror of the seas* again.

[Tseng]

Originally posted by ariella


I hear what your saying Tseng... and one the kingdom would be an option for female players to join.. not a demand. And it would definately have to be thought out well before put into action.

Yes; well I explained what would inevitably happen if it became a 'big hit'.

I also agree with you that kingdoms have rules etc. But a rule is only as good as there enforcement.

Agreed - many kingdoms have failed in the past and most likely still fail to enforce sometimes even the most basic of rules.

And maybe the RP of kingdoms is that "its a man's world" Then what I am suggesting is an RP Kingdom where "its a woman's world" and while I am sure there will be clashes... at least female and male players will be on fair ground when dealing with or oevercoming it.

Most RPing kingdoms do operate that way ("man's world"). However, you say they will be on fair ground - I disagree. There will always be thick-headed people who wouldn't even consider the idea, or who would simply remain sexist. I'm sure, if this passed, there are those obscene people who would have a lot of bad things to say, and there would of course be players who would never think RPing with your kingdom could work; as they would consider it "weak" or some other random insult they throw out against people.

As far as it being a small kingdom... for now yes.... but again don't under estimate the power of female players to build a successful, thriving kingdom with even more "female players" joining graal and staying!

Do you really think that would happen? That more female players would stick with graal because a 'female kingdom' existed? If so, the numbers would be rather minimal.

Originally posted by Dark-Hashi
but I am just saying females have all rights males have they just don't use it...

This is not necessarily the case.

[Dark-Hashi]

Originally posted by TifaKhan
I was the only one left on tag for a long long time, i finally got promoted to , dum dum dum, postman???????
i was like ok, this is totally sexist

Maybe this is because you didn't do anything for CP? or that nate was NEVER ON LOL I don't agree it takes longer to rank up for females, I became a trusted friend of Chris thats why I got my rank up and what you are saying is making you a hypocrite, if you believe that it is sexist and you're calling them sexist then.. you get my point *being childish ^-^*

[Tseng]

Originally posted by Dark-Hashi

Maybe this is because you didn't do anything for CP? or that nate was NEVER ON LOL I don't agree it takes longer to rank up for females, I became a trusted friend of Chris thats why I got my rank up and what you are saying is making you a hypocrite, if you believe that it is sexist and you're calling them sexist then.. you get my point *being childish ^-^*

How does believing something to be sexist and calling it sexist make her a hypocrite? I'm not following your logic here.

[Dark-Hashi]

This is not necessarily the case.

No no no you didn't understand me, I ment females are just as smart as males... there for having the brains to become king if they really wanted to...

[Dark-Hashi]

Originally posted by Tseng


How does believing something to be sexist and calling it sexist make her a hypocrite? I'm not following your logic here.

Did you happen to miss the *being childish* remark? I think so...

[Tseng]

Originally posted by Dark-Hashi

No no no you didn't understand me, I ment females are just as smart as males... there for having the brains to become king if they really wanted to...

What you're saying implies that the reason no female is a kingdom leader or important in a kingdom is because they don't want to be, whereas it is quite obvious that there are several other factors limiting its occurance.

[Dark-Hashi]

Originally posted by Tseng


What you're saying implies that the reason no female is a kingdom leader or important in a kingdom is because they don't want to be, whereas it is quite obvious that there are several other factors limiting its occurance.

Well if Stefan actually allowed it... you get what I am saying though, They can become in power just like men can