Mvp weapons

[Kohola_KinG]

I have a question. Why are these weapons untradeable when the EC's weapons aren't?

Surely if you earn MVP weapons that's a much harder thing to accomplish then surely you should have more freedom to do whatever you please with your weapons? But instead it's the opposite way around?

This annoyed a lot of people when the SD was made untradeable and only giving a few days notice. What was the reason behind that? Wait.. I'll tell you the reason..

It's because i asked Zao to stock them as they're never stocked and he said ill only stock them if they become untradeable. May i ask why? He decided to stock one and let me buy for 20 mvp coins and made me do a deal with him not to tell anyone and told me if i were to trade it he would delete it from my account with no refunds. Sadly i didn't give a **** about what he said because he was the person being corrupt, not me. I earned my mvps and bought my weapon. The reason it was made untradeable was to cover his ass incase i bought it and sold it. (No idea what the problem in that is) but he seemed to have one.

So my question is. Why is weapons such as Ares, flaks etc all tradeable when MVP weaons aren't? Especially considering the Ares is probably the best gun in the game.

Makes no sense. Just make them all tradeable. It gives people more guns to aim for, not everybody can get the chance to compete for MVP's and the ones who do get teamed in events so they dont win mvps so it's just a vicious circle of the same people winning mvps and having these weapons.

Make them tradeable so people have more things to do when it comes to merching etc i see no harm in them being tradeable? Just remove the pawn option and it's all good?

[Eclipse]

I agree

[Supaman771]

I always made the MVP/EC weapons untradable cause I disliked the occurrences when people (namely Seth/Sebastien) abused events (namely races at 3am) to get insane amounts of EC.. and sold Bows/LS/Flaks for mini fortunes in a matter of weeks.

A smaller issue happened when Samurai swords came out, but they're less popular than the EC items were and MVP are harder to get so that was fine.

When MVP guns came out I made sure to make them untradable. The goal is to earn something unique... when people see someone with a Vector I wanted them to know "That guy was a 20 time MVP he must be pretty good." etc. Also collecting the set was a sweet bonus.

I did the same when we released the EC items. Somebody, somewhere changed this at some point. And it's honestly too late now (These guns shouldn't even be available anymore, the shop was supposed to rotate stocks bi-yearly and only stock 3 of each one.. which would in theory make trading them less of an issue).

Mp5 SD was another anomaly.. someone just threw it in the shop and it kept getting stocked. I like how Zao approached the issue after I brought it up to him, giving a deadline to trade then making them untradable again. He stocked one for me to buy too, as long as I didn't trade it before the deadline. This is hardly abuse, as you said we earned the coins and wanted our prizes... but waiting a few weeks or not to get them was nbd really.

Just make them all untradable.

[Kohola_KinG]

Originally Posted by Supaman771

I always made the MVP/EC weapons untradable cause I disliked the occurrences when people (namely Seth/Sebastien) abused events (namely races at 3am) to get insane amounts of EC.. and sold Bows/LS/Flaks for mini fortunes in a matter of weeks.

So instead of fixing the main problem being, the event bot... You just made them untradeable letting them have as many coins as they wanted for anytime a new weapon came out ?

Why didn't you just remove the event bot and the problem would have been solved? That's the only thing thye could have abused. If they played normal events from ET's hosting then that is not abuse at all, that's called playing and winning and earning...

I don't see the problem now with people abusing, it's our weapons and we want to trade them. It's a playercount with average of 50 players, the hell does it matter? You still haven't given me a good reason why they should remain untradeable? I can give you a list of why it should be tradeable

So, make them tradeable.

[Supaman771]

Originally Posted by Kohola_KinG

So instead of fixing the main problem being, the event bot... You just made them untradeable letting them have as many coins as they wanted for anytime a new weapon came out ?

I personally wasn't staff however I was on here posting threads about the issue for quite awhile that's why I remember it.
I'm not sure of the exact management, but this occurred prior to the Samurai Sword being added to the MVP shop so it was pretty long ago.

It got fixed eventually, yeah.

But they should be untradable because people would just keep converting coins into money via. these items... and players who didn't earn them would just buy them. Not only is that extremely lame and boring, but the players who already have them would just gain a ton of personal value with the flip of a switch.

[Kohola_KinG]

Originally Posted by Supaman771

I personally wasn't staff however I was on here posting threads about the issue for quite awhile that's why I remember it.
I'm not sure of the exact management, but this occurred prior to the Samurai Sword being added to the MVP shop so it was pretty long ago.

It got fixed eventually, yeah.

But they should be untradable because people would just keep converting coins into money via. these items... and players who didn't earn them would just buy them. Not only is that extremely lame and boring, but the players who already have them would just gain a ton of personal value with the flip of a switch.

They would be selling their weapons for money already in the economy. Nothing is being pumped into the economy from this? It's just money moving from one player to another. Giving them more items to trade and new guns to play with, no problem in that?

Eventually the more MVP items there is out there that has been bought and is tradeable it will lose some of it's value. This is when you introduce new MVP weapons. A lot of people see this as a way of getting money for themselves. They make money through pking and earning prizes rather than having to work in mines etc.

You guys are just killing fun rather than making fun. Your reasons don't seem to convince me enough they should remain untradeable. They cant pawn them so not like a lot of money is being pumped into the economy anyway and even if it was, who cares? Not like staff care about that anyways when it's currently still happening with gang points and money per kill.

Players would prefer it to be tradeable. It makes more fun and sense than making them untradeable.. for somebody like me i could end up with all those weapons and then a bunch of useless mvp coins? makes no sense.

MAKE THEM TRADEABLE.

[Fiberwyre_P2P]

Originally Posted by Kohola_KinG

So instead of fixing the main problem being, the event bot... You just made them untradeable letting them have as many coins as they wanted for anytime a new weapon came out ?

I don't think being able to buy a brand new weapon right when it comes out is that big of a deal.
What is the difference between buying a new weapon with old ECs versus new ECs? You still had to play and win the same amount of events to get them.

[Eclipse]

Originally Posted by Supaman771

I personally wasn't staff however I was on here posting threads about the issue for quite awhile that's why I remember it.
I'm not sure of the exact management, but this occurred prior to the Samurai Sword being added to the MVP shop so it was pretty long ago.

It got fixed eventually, yeah.

But they should be untradable because people would just keep converting coins into money via. these items... and players who didn't earn them would just buy them. Not only is that extremely lame and boring, but the players who already have them would just gain a ton of personal value with the flip of a switch.

but we allow betflipping?

[Eclipse]

winning 11 mill over night NBD, being able to sell MVP guns OMGERD NOOO

[Kohola_KinG]

Originally Posted by Fiberwyre_P2P

I don't think being able to buy a brand new weapon right when it comes out is that big of a deal.
What is the difference between buying a new weapon with old ECs versus new ECs? You still had to play and win the same amount of events to get them.

It's a big deal when they're abusing systems to get them, aren't you reading what's been said?

If people earn their ec's and buy them then no, it's certainly NOT a big deal.

It's also no big deal if these guns are made tradeable. Rogues just being silly here, he still hasn't given me a good enough reason why they should be untradeable. Nobody has?

Why? Because their is none.... Nobody abuses anymore for EC's.. So they're allowed to sell their items.. Impossible to abuse MVP's and harder to earn, so why cant we sell our weapons???

[Godzilla]

I remember when they were tradable, they were going for 1mil a pop, I doubt they would reach higher than that after the initial week or so. I don't see the big deal in them being tradable, although I did like the exclusivity of them being non-tradable.

[Kohola_KinG]

Originally Posted by Godzilla

I remember when they were tradable, they were going for 1mil a pop, I doubt they would reach higher than that after the initial week or so. I don't see the big deal in them being tradable, although I did like the exclusivity of them being non-tradable.

Yes they were, but that's fine? It's money moving from one player to another. No problems here. There is no big deal in them being trade-able that's thing. Exclusivity is having them limited to people of wealth or high social class. I hate this with a passion.

[Supaman771]

Meh, I guess I'd be willing to make them tradable, but it would ultimately be up to Zao or Amsel so you have to get their permission. If I just changed it randomly they'd probably whine.

[Godzilla]

Each MVP gun is quite over-powered but balanced at the same time through;

Vector -24 clip
AR15 - fire-rate isn't high
AA12 - basically old AA12 with 2 less clip
MP5 SD - 19 damage

If they become tradable we might see nerfs happen to them... which would suck.

[Kohola_KinG]

Originally Posted by Supaman771

Meh, I guess I'd be willing to make them tradable, but it would ultimately be up to Zao or Amsel so you have to get their permission. If I just changed it randomly they'd probably whine.

Direct them to this thread and tell them to give their reasons on why it shouldn't be trade-able. We can discuss it all night but it makes no sense to limit them to the same people. I'm losing my nut having to keep this gun on my inventory... I earned it i should have the right to do what i like with it. So should anyone else.

Make them trade-able and bring more things to the market for people to trade and use. It only makes sense and it's what the players want.