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Nature2 03-01-2008 02:43 AM
Tired of Summoned Monsters
 
1 Question : Why ppl do it?

Why ppl get strong monsters they kill PMODE Player?

its just annoying that the flute acs like the best wep in the game

How they do it:

They get monsters to follow then they play the stop song and all monsters begin to attack....

outside it isnt a problem but at BOMBORIA TRADEROOM you can just kill all player
with magical monsters...

sometimes i have to pillory ppl so they stop it but maybe they will do it again...

ppl loose all there gems and items because of that and they think they are save in the trade room... NOT ANYMORE

theunknown 03-01-2008 02:46 AM
Hmm
 
Get staff to make a script so magic doesn't hurt in trade? It'll work like the party system when you can't hurt your party with weapons or magic. Simple.

joeyruocco 03-01-2008 02:46 AM
Thank you iv lost countless diamonds when that one kid brings in Monsters from immences and my magic resist is -57

Jcs1919 03-01-2008 02:47 AM
Yes but when you have pillory ppl , you isn't jail for 15minute

Noobie8205 03-01-2008 02:48 AM
I agree this has gotten out of hand, and before people go running their mouth about "Oh well you shouldn't be idling!!" I walked away from my computer for 3 minutes to make my sick girl friend some food and come back and notice my character was no longer where I left him... I ran back and there were over 30 diamonds laying on the ground... had Maroku not been there they would have gotten away with it and people woulda been screwed...

sango_ku 03-01-2008 02:49 AM
I'm ok with you but all players do that !
Just don't forgot to quit GK when you are afk or when you sleep :)

Jcs1919 03-01-2008 02:50 AM
Yep :P

cbk1994 03-01-2008 02:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by theunknown (Post 1377177)
Get staff to make a script so magic doesn't hurt in trade? It'll work like the party system when you can't hurt your party with weapons or magic. Simple.
PHP Code:
function monsterAttack()
{
  if ( this.level.name == "inside_traderoom.nw" ) // or whatever the level name is
  {
    return;
  }
  goAttack();
} 
They could easily make the script -- there must be a reason they aren't. Whether it comes from lack of support, or through a reason they want people to die in the trade room ...

theunknown 03-01-2008 02:57 AM
Heh. Sometimes I amaze myself with my ideas. xD

joeyruocco 03-01-2008 03:02 AM
i think summ on pet monster should just be disabvles becasue all it does is casue trouble xD

Googi 03-01-2008 03:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nature2 (Post 1377175)
outside it isnt a problem but at BOMBORIA TRADEROOM you can just kill all player with magical monsters...
Those are charmed monsters, not summoned monsters.

Revontulet 03-01-2008 03:49 AM
I'll probably be flamed for this, but oh well.

...

But really, if there was a shred of new content for players to enjoy, maybe they wouldn't be driven to doing silly things like this.

Ravenblade1979 03-01-2008 04:14 AM
@Romain - so you should logoff when you go afk huh...keep that in mind next time you go afk in trade please.

@Googi - we have the same problem with summoned monsters too.


1) This problem will never stop
2) Bjorn has said countless times that people can make stuff and send him a message about it. No offense but with him, stefan and Tig having the most access only so much can be done. So yeah get to work...there's lots of people who can dev on gk...am sure some of them would love the chance to dev a good idea.
3) Only way to stop it in trade is to pretty much as someone said disable magic..but go even further and not allow monsters/summoned monster in the building.
4) I will look into designing an actual hangout other then trade where people could go and just idle if they want or shoot the breeze.
5) Change what the killed person drops to fingers instead of other stuff.

Ziro_of_the_Turks 03-01-2008 04:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nature2 (Post 1377175)
sometimes i have to pillory ppl so they stop it but maybe they will do it again...
Why are you allowed to do that?!??! !pissed!

First, let me say: Recently, in one night, I lost over over 60,000 platinum and 200 diamonds because i was in a "safezone" and forgot to log off graal at night. As much as I hate certain people for making me lose all that money, I wouldn't want people getting pilloried for this crap. If it's such a problem, then just... fix it. But it's so simple and not-so-hidden that it shouldn't be considered a bug, and therefore not a punishable offense since it's not bug abuse. Let them be banned from all kingdoms like scammers. But don't pillory them. That's like the classic graal "jailing" which is like the universal banning.

Ravenblade1979 03-01-2008 04:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Ziro_of_the_Turks (Post 1377209)
Why are you allowed to do that?!??! !pissed!

First, let me say: Recently, in one night, I lost over over 60,000 platinum and 200 diamonds because i was in a "safezone" and forgot to log off graal at night. As much as I hate certain people for making me lose all that money, I wouldn't want people getting pilloried for this crap. If it's such a problem, then just... fix it. But it's so simple and not-so-hidden that it shouldn't be considered a bug, and therefore not a punishable offense since it's not bug abuse. Let them be banned from all kingdoms like scammers. But don't pillory them. That's like the classic graal "jailing" which is like the universal banning.
basically maroku was hoping that was a deterrant..thats all. But its apparently legal to do....so either staff fixes this or we stop complaining.

Stephen 03-01-2008 05:03 AM
The problem isn't the monsters, it's your perspective.

If a player is able to charm monsters and kill you with them, they're either more powerful than you or you're not there to defend yourself. If they're more powerful than you... well them's the breaks; toughen up.

If you're AFK and they pwn you... well that sounds like a lot of fun to me, so I see nothing wrong with it. Idle somewheres else, if you don't like being lamed.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979 (Post 1377214)
basically maroku was hoping that was a deterrant..thats all. But its apparently legal to do....so either staff fixes this or we stop complaining.
I hate this - this is counter-think.

Instead of enjoying a aspect of gaming - competition - you're complaining it, and trying to have it taken away or numbed. You realize the game's mechanic's are mainly those to compete? Either between NPCs or, when you're at a higher, between players.

This sort of retardation of the system has lead to a economical fist-truck, and the lack of motivation for players to remain. Where previously players were competing to preform... actively joining kingdoms and trying to convince more powerful players to help them, now they're wandering aimlessly, with no real goal "Well Hell, I just got handed some of the best gear in the game, and all I can do now is level for a few months until... what? Until I can have nothing else to do?"

The problem here isn't something MISSING. This retardation has damaged the game's mechanics, turning off or simply disinteresting players. Now the only ones that remain are either there to experience what was once believed to be good, or those who played when it was good. When was it good? Before this carebear germankr3w came along and decided "We must fix the economy!", "We must make this more fair!".

Once you start seeing it from the right perspective is when you can start to see all these stupid bandaids e-tards have cried for, and equally e-tarded admins have added.

BigBear3 03-01-2008 05:20 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by joeyruocco (Post 1377178)
that one kid
:fro:
Quote:
Originally Posted by sango_ku (Post 1377181)
Just don't forgot to quit GK when you are afk or when you sleep :)
Agreed. :fro:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979 (Post 1377204)
keep that in mind next time you go afk in trade please.
He's aware of the consequences obviously. He'll take care of himself. I agree completely with Romain. Just sign off.

xAzerothx 03-01-2008 05:21 AM
You're obviously just angry that you can't be the one to summon monsters and lame people like these people can.

Darklux 03-01-2008 11:32 AM
PMode and BMode should just apply to those monsters:
- They should not attack peacefull Players
- They should not attack in peacefull areas

Ravenblade1979 03-01-2008 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 1377223)
The problem isn't the monsters, it's your perspective.

If a player is able to charm monsters and kill you with them, they're either more powerful than you or you're not there to defend yourself. If they're more powerful than you... well them's the breaks; toughen up.

If you're AFK and they pwn you... well that sounds like a lot of fun to me, so I see nothing wrong with it. Idle somewheres else, if you don't like being lamed.

I hate this - this is counter-think.

Instead of enjoying a aspect of gaming - competition - you're complaining it, and trying to have it taken away or numbed. You realize the game's mechanic's are mainly those to compete? Either between NPCs or, when you're at a higher, between players.

This sort of retardation of the system has lead to a economical fist-truck, and the lack of motivation for players to remain. Where previously players were competing to preform... actively joining kingdoms and trying to convince more powerful players to help them, now they're wandering aimlessly, with no real goal "Well Hell, I just got handed some of the best gear in the game, and all I can do now is level for a few months until... what? Until I can have nothing else to do?"

The problem here isn't something MISSING. This retardation has damaged the game's mechanics, turning off or simply disinteresting players. Now the only ones that remain are either there to experience what was once believed to be good, or those who played when it was good. When was it good? Before this carebear germankr3w came along and decided "We must fix the economy!", "We must make this more fair!".

Once you start seeing it from the right perspective is when you can start to see all these stupid bandaids e-tards have cried for, and equally e-tarded admins have added.

Ok I seem to have to point out a few things. Look at images below and could someone with intelligence read both descriptions of the servers.

Oh I can tell you..one says RPG and the other doesn't. If you want to compete so badly goto zone where you compete non-stop. This server is supposed to be fun for EVERYONE. Not just the lamers and pkers and oldbies who seem to want it their way.

There is competition to a certain degree on this server (items, kingdoms etc).

Stephen 03-01-2008 06:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979 (Post 1377282)
Ok I seem to have to point out a few things. Look at images below and could someone with intelligence read both descriptions of the servers.

Oh I can tell you..one says RPG and the other doesn't. If you want to compete so badly goto zone where you compete non-stop. This server is supposed to be fun for EVERYONE. Not just the lamers and pkers and oldbies who seem to want it their way.

There is competition to a certain degree on this server (items, kingdoms etc).
That's rich coming from you, but we'll move past it towards the more obvious.

Your good friends, the GermanKr3w, have turned the server into a RPG free-for-all over the last few years... and it turns out, hey - that doesn't work. With the retarded MMT, who actually uses that? No one did to begin with so what did the GermanKr3w do? They destroyed the hunger system to CREATE THE NEED for the MMT.

How retarded is that?

Crimson2005 03-01-2008 08:02 PM
Read:
http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...3&postcount=13

BigBear3 03-01-2008 08:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crimson2005 (Post 1377306)
True!!!

OasaTor_PK 03-01-2008 09:00 PM
Let me lay my lightning walls inside of Bomboria trade, then people can call this bringing monsters into trade where a MAGE CANT EVEN HURT THEM.

Its stupid, how am I supposed to protect myself when "YOU CANT CAST THAT HERE." is stopping me.

I haven't lost anything good, 5dia and 3k plat, but thats all. Jugg lost 1k diamonds from it to some queer a couple weeks ago though.

xAzerothx 03-01-2008 09:46 PM
Its your fault for being an idiot and idling in the trade.

kia345 03-01-2008 10:42 PM
Disable Summon Monsters.

There's no reason for this spell anyways.

xAzerothx 03-01-2008 10:44 PM
There's no reason for people to idle.

kia345 03-01-2008 11:00 PM
Low level people in Bomb trade are targets for the monsters too, especially when the summoner blocks the door.

Hell, I usually log off when someone spawns a magic-using monster, lots of people lack the magic resist to handle even four-five magic monsters in a small, often crowded room.

BigBear3 03-01-2008 11:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kia345 (Post 1377336)
Low level people in Bomb trade are targets for the monsters too, especially when the summoner blocks the door.

Hell, I usually log off when someone spawns a magic-using monster, lots of people lack the magic resist to handle even four-five magic monsters in a small, often crowded room.
UNLEASH...THE....BEAST!

Ziro_of_the_Turks 03-02-2008 12:42 AM
Hey, here's an idea;
run away from the monsters.

It's only a problem when a newbie is getting lamed at his respawn spot and cannot run away.

It's not a problem when rich advanced players are losing some plat and diamonds because they were stupid enough to stay AFK, especially since they should know of this possibility (myself being included for losing ~230 diamonds and ~65,000 plat, which i will continue to repeat every time i see someone else complaining, or untill a few people say they've lost worst- and even then it's probably still their fault because if they have that much wealth, they should be oldbie enough to know the dangers of being AFK)

Edit: Even if the summoner is blocking the door... there's no respawn point directly in the trade room or in these "safezones", so... what's one death?

Edit2: I'll say again; I look at this like scamming. So I don't really condone of people screwing people over while they're AFK, or newbies getting hunted. But for this, I say: treat it like scamming. Outcast the summoners/charmers from our community (by letting others know who does it, and maybe banning them from kingdoms. Even PK them if you can...). I just don't think we need to make such a big deal about it, and certainly don't think staff need to step in with pillorying/banning/jailing/etc. What they should do is get to work on making actual safezones that are truly safe.

Stephen 03-02-2008 12:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kia345 (Post 1377336)
Low level people in Bomb trade are targets for the monsters too, especially when the summoner blocks the door.
You must me joking me? Disable a spell because WEAK players are dying? Here's a idea... maybe it gives them incentive to level up? It's not especially hard, especially if you're a low level.

BigBear3 03-02-2008 03:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 1377366)
You must me joking me? Disable a spell because WEAK players are dying? Here's a idea... maybe it gives them incentive to level up? It's not especially hard, especially if you're a low level.
Give them no mercy!

Stephen 03-02-2008 03:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBear3 (Post 1377380)
Give them no mercy!
Mercy? Give the players who have nothing better to do than LAME other players the mercy, and stop disabling parts of the game to suit those who are too lazy to do anything.

kia345 03-02-2008 05:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 1377366)
You must me joking me? Disable a spell because WEAK players are dying? Here's a idea... maybe it gives them incentive to level up? It's not especially hard, especially if you're a low level.
K. Weak players shouldn't be defended, but idling USD'rs dias should be. Damn Stephen, you blow me away.

BigBear3 03-02-2008 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by kia345 (Post 1377418)
K. Weak players shouldn't be defended, but idling USD'rs dias should be. Damn Stephen, you blow me away.
Nobody should be defended!

kia345 03-02-2008 05:35 AM
Then remove pmode and kill off safe zones, and watch the playercount drop even lower.

xAzerothx 03-02-2008 05:36 AM
I'm not gonna play a game to level up just because some ******* is killing me and I can't fight back.

kia345 03-02-2008 05:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kia345 (Post 1377424)
and watch the playercount drop even lower.
:cool:

Ravenblade1979 03-02-2008 08:18 AM
Basic fix to this: If you plan on being afk logoff. Plain and simple.

Other then that stop complaining. Knowing that this happens your basically inviting people to lame you.

kia345 03-02-2008 03:15 PM
No Raven, that won't work, as it's a threat to more than just idlers.


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