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Projectshifter 08-19-2003 07:53 AM

Servers being hacked || Quitting??
 
Lately a few servers have been hacked. One of them was Sobek Online and one was my own server, Shifter. Someone made a mistake. A trusted friend didn't IP lock his friend (who manages my 2nd PW Aura) and he got on, and someone (Loriel last changed my server options =/) changed npcrights=false and he was allowed access and deleted all my npcs... all the hard work that I put into them.
I'm so upset, I try, I work hard, and I try and help people, and this is the thanks I get. I found a link to the Anti-Graal forums, and Kangarooman (stupid prick who did it) put that he loves taking good people and making them look corrupt.
So because of stupid mistakes that SHOULDN'T have happened, that i trusted to be taken care of... all that hard work r0bin and I put in is gone. I hope you're happy that you've ruined this for me.
I think I might quit GST, and Graal all together. Scripting was fun for me, it was something that made me happy and kept me going when things sucked... and it's just been ruined for me. There was no reason for me to keep backups of my weapons, as R0bin and I were the only 2 with NPC rights to them... but someone changed the npcrights=false. I dunno if it was Loriel who did it, but this is what was in logs as the last person to change the serveroptions, which was done b/4 and I had to fix:
Quote:

Time: Thu Aug 7 23:35:53 2003
Loriel has updated the server options
I just don't know what to do, I'll decide sometime this week.
---Shifter

Deek2 08-19-2003 08:04 AM

Re: Servers being hacked || Quitting??
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Projectshifter
Lately a few servers have been hacked. One of them was Sobek Online and one was my own server, Shifter. Someone made a mistake. A trusted friend didn't IP lock his friend (who manages my 2nd PW Aura) and he got on, and someone (Loriel last changed my server options =/) changed npcrights=false and he was allowed access and deleted all my npcs... all the hard work that I put into them.
I'm so upset, I try, I work hard, and I try and help people, and this is the thanks I get. I found a link to the Anti-Graal forums, and Kangarooman (stupid prick who did it) put that he loves taking good people and making them look corrupt.
So because of stupid mistakes that SHOULDN'T have happened, that i trusted to be taken care of... all that hard work r0bin and I put in is gone. I hope you're happy that you've ruined this for me.
I think I might quit GST, and Graal all together. Scripting was fun for me, it was something that made me happy and kept me going when things sucked... and it's just been ruined for me. There was no reason for me to keep backups of my weapons, as R0bin and I were the only 2 with NPC rights to them... but someone changed the npcrights=false. I dunno if it was Loriel who did it, but this is what was in logs as the last person to change the serveroptions, which was done b/4 and I had to fix:

I just don't know what to do, I'll decide sometime this week.
---Shifter

This is a bad decision you're making. You should never let a *****'s wrath take the best of you. You're actions are what's exactly going to make him satisfied. He's wanting you to quit. You're not going to do that for him, are you? True, not backing up your NPCs and not setting rights for a couple of accounts was not the brightest thing to do, and you deserve what's led to your downfall. You guys give up hope too fast. This I see way too much now. Just think: Is there any other possible way you can solve this other than just giving up completley and forgetting everything that you've done? Maybe restarting could be a good thing: You learn from the mistakes you have made, and you've learned alot over the time of your scripting. You can use this to rebuild your scripts, and they will be alot better programming and memory usage wise.

Projectshifter 08-19-2003 08:07 AM

It wasn't my mistake though... it was Sab's...
I don't know what to do :'(
---Shifter

Deek2 08-19-2003 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Projectshifter
It wasn't my mistake though... it was Sab's...
I don't know what to do :'(
---Shifter

Then you shouldn't be blaming it on yourself. You're taking someone elses problem and blaming it on yourself. If it wasn't your problem in the first place, then why are you trying to quit?

Projectshifter 08-19-2003 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Deek2

Then you shouldn't be blaming it on yourself. You're taking someone elses problem and blaming it on yourself. If it wasn't your problem in the first place, then why are you trying to quit?

All of my hard-worked and coded NPC's are gone...
My server... it's just that it hurts so badly =*(
---Shifter

wonderboysp2p 08-19-2003 08:33 AM

PS no matter how hard we try there will always be someone working against us, with or without reason. The only way they can win is by you letting yourself be beaten. ive never heard of 'kangarooman' and i hope never to again but PS bro.. Dont Quit!

MarkB 08-19-2003 08:35 AM

It isnt sabs server, it is ps's. If he never asked sab if he set the ip, sab is not at fault, maybe a bit of ignorance but nothing major. Ps should be checking IPs often...and making sure they are not changed..Myself and NyT check ips about 5 times in a week..

Deek2 08-19-2003 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by wonderboysp2p
PS no matter how hard we try there will always be someone working against us, with or without reason. The only way they can win is by you letting yourself be beaten. ive never heard of 'kangarooman' and i hope never to again but PS bro.. Dont Quit!
You can always prove your enemies wrong by showing them that there actions haven't affected you at all. You shouldn't let this get to you that bad. This is a game, not a working environment. You should expect something like this to happen, especially when this game is known to have idiots that like to go around and ruin it for others. There just trying to make you quit so that they can have a reputation they've been longing to have for a long time.

Yuffie99 08-19-2003 08:41 AM

I know who is responsible for this..

draco5432 08-19-2003 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Projectshifter
It wasn't my mistake though... it was Sab's...

And you called me friend....sorry but shifter really wasnt my responsibility, yes i chenged the IP ranges, but i missed 1, my best friends IP, sorry, but people make mistakes, You stay on graal, i am the one who is leaving in the first place....because OH YEA like you said, it was my fault

wonderboysp2p 08-19-2003 08:50 AM

yuffie, You might wanna have something more in there like who it was?

anU... "werd" does not qualify as a valid post in my book

Deek2 08-19-2003 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by draco5432


And you called me friend....sorry but shifter really wasnt my responsibility, yes i chenged the IP ranges, but i missed 1, my best friends IP, sorry, but people make mistakes, You stay on graal, i am the one who is leaving in the first place....because OH YEA like you said, it was my fault

If it wasn't your responsibility, then it's obvious you shouldn't have that kind of power, right? And how come it had to be your 'best friend' that happend to have no IP? Something sounds kind of fishy to me. Your best friend does not give a good enough reson to why he should be the one that doesn't have an IP set.

Nitkizi 08-19-2003 08:57 AM

Don't leave over something so silly...After awhile you may realize all of that stuff can be made much better like another said.

I know a friend of mine shares the account KangarooMan, he is computer illiterate so I'm 100% sure it wasn't him. :\

But, yeah, I've had lots of my own work deleted once before also..Lots of levels, and articles I've written, all because I was careless. Let this be a lesson to you, whenever an athlete makes a mistake, they go back and work on what happened and fix the problem. Just go back continue to have your fun and be a bit more cautious.

MarkB 08-19-2003 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by wonderboysp2p

anU... "werd" does not qualify as a valid post in my book


how can you say that? you dont even know how to read

as for this issue, ps there is only 1 thing you can do...start over..i know it sounds like hella work but what else would you do? quit? give in? show your a pansy? nah, that wouldnt be the ps i know...come back and learn from your mistakes and make shifter better than it was before.

draco5432 08-19-2003 09:01 AM

I set his IP on aura, thats why i probably forgot to set it on shifter, and the ip address that tseng found that was doing it, wasnt even close to my friends....so it wasnt him, it wasnt me, and i dont know who it was...

Deek2 08-19-2003 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by draco5432
I set his IP on aura, thats why i probably forgot to set it on shifter, and the ip address that tseng found that was doing it, wasnt even close to my friends....so it wasnt him, it wasnt me, and i dont know who it was...
We supposedly have a clue who it is. But even if we knew who it was anyways, what could we do about it? Globally banning him might help in a couple of ways, but it's not going to matter anyways if he's Anti-Graal. It's not of importance to him.

MarkB 08-19-2003 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Deek2

We supposedly have a clue who it is. But even if we knew who it was anyways, what could we do about it? Globally banning him might help in a couple of ways, but it's not going to matter anyways if he's Anti-Graal. It's not of importance to him.

that is exactly it..what would pie or any of them care(not talking about this issue and refering them) if they got banned from graal?

Deek2 08-19-2003 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MarkB


that is exactly it..what would pie or any of them care(not talking about this issue and refering them) if they got banned from graal?

There probably wanting that type of attention. I don't know how there feeble little minds work anyways, how would we know?
EDIT: Or why would we even care? There probably getting off on this right now anyways. Too much attention in there direction is just what there wanting.

MarkB 08-19-2003 09:47 AM

to be honest with you...i dont think this is that complex of an issue...if i remember correctly the account "thebluedragon" was a shared account...like that JoeDogg3000 or whatever on gk, where like 10 different people signed on it in 1 day...so yeh, i dont think its that complex, the account was shared, thus giving access to rc for people who were not intended on having it. it just happened to be that the ip was not set


and to think people ***** because graal is so up tight about account sharing

who would have thought :rolleyes:

Scalper 08-19-2003 11:47 AM

Sorry to hear, it's a very tough thing to accept + deal with.

Thallen 08-19-2003 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wonderboysp2p
PS no matter how hard we try there will always be someone working against us, with or without reason. The only way they can win is by you letting yourself be beaten. ive never heard of 'kangarooman' and i hope never to again but PS bro.. Dont Quit!
"TheKangarooman" is Raven Bloodvayne's account...:eek:

Christian 08-19-2003 01:59 PM

They are just children who can't handel their life.

Neoreno 08-19-2003 03:11 PM

Y'know. I can't get it through my head why there is an anti-graal. I've yet to see anti-diablo, or anti-otherMMORPG.

Why do these people dislike this game so much?

Christian 08-19-2003 03:19 PM

because they think graal is unprofessionel so they can do what they want

Python523 08-19-2003 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Projectshifter

All of my hard-worked and coded NPC's are gone...
My server... it's just that it hurts so badly =*(
---Shifter

this is why you manually make backups

TifaKhan 08-19-2003 04:17 PM

PS, remember when DD was deleted?
Every global on the face of Graal logged on RC, how did this happen rah rah rah, and im like, just tell me how to put it back, stop panicking.
I was sitting here calmly wondering how to put levels back up when i had no levels folder.
But i did eventually, so yeah, the loser says haha i just deleted Doomsday, and 15 minutes later its haha you suck Doomsday's back.
Dont let them beat you.

((Following message is from OminiElemental (SSJ4_Vegetto)))
JellyFish planned it. He must of hacked the account and told
someone to screw over the servers, i also know that they have
BillyBob's account and password (billybob53).

Shroomed 08-19-2003 04:41 PM

Not possible!
 
Quote:

((Following message is from OminiElemental (SSJ4_Vegetto)))
JellyFish planned it. He must of hacked the account and told
someone to screw over the servers, i also know that they have
BillyBob's account and password (billybob53).
This is not possible, Jellyish is IP banned from all of graal. So theres no way this is possible. kthxbai

Snakeandy7 08-19-2003 04:55 PM

:o Dont leave man, ill miss giving you right's on playerworld52 so you can d/c people :p (For reason's ofcoruse :rolleyes:)

SaijinGohan 08-19-2003 04:58 PM

Come on. Theres all kinds of *******s out there. I worked on bravo nearing 3 years, finally it was my turn to become manager. Actually it was zorg and my turn to become manager and Brandon just completely forgot us and took Thak, as developer, and made him the manager. That was a huge slap in the face. I quit.

Moral is, I'm glad. That server still isnt complete.

I dunno where this fits in, but, watch out for *******s. ;)

SaijinGohan 08-19-2003 11:24 PM

Gah. Because of this R0bin has announced he is quitting graal. :(

Projectshifter 08-19-2003 11:44 PM

Re: Not possible!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Shroomed


This is not possible, Jellyish is IP banned from all of graal. So theres no way this is possible. kthxbai

His IP is obviously not static now is it -_-
Think before you speak.
And yes, Raven Bloodvayen is also known as him I believe.
If R0bin leaves... I'll be so lost and screwed... If R0bin will help me rebuild it, then I'm willing to give it another chance.
Kind of funny, I worked so hard to make the NPC's unhackable... but I never thought I'd have to protect them from an RC attack...
The thing is Loriel said he came on and changed my npcrights=false one day (WHY he did< I don't know, I'm GST and capable of handling my OWN NPC's!) and it was about a week ago, when I was on vacation. That with a lot of other stupid things let this happen... and it bothers me loriel doesn't ever care =/
---Shifter

G_yoshi 08-19-2003 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Neoreno
Y'know. I can't get it through my head why there is an anti-graal. I've yet to see anti-diablo, or anti-otherMMORPG.

Why do these people dislike this game so much?

Yes, it is strange that they would hate Graal, but they have their reasons I suppose. I believe its mostly due to the fact that they can't get their way. They are the kinds of players that throw tantrums if they don't get to have what they want and when they want it. They also don't like having to pay for games or much less other software. They want everything to be free to them and they think we are mindless sheep. I don't doubt that some of the players in Graal are, but that does not mean that everyone is.

Tseng 08-19-2003 11:54 PM

Re: Re: Not possible!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Projectshifter
The thing is Loriel said he came on and changed my npcrights=false one day (WHY he did< I don't know, I'm GST and capable of handling my OWN NPC's!) and it was about a week ago, when I was on vacation. That with a lot of other stupid things let this happen... and it bothers me loriel doesn't ever care =/
---Shifter

-Sab failed to set an IP range for thebluedagger
-thebluedagger's password was compromised
-thebluedagger knew the password was compromised but failed to say anything
-You gave out a few too many rights, it seems.

Lots of factors contributed to this, PS. You can't blame just one without blaming them all.

adam 08-20-2003 12:04 AM

Re: Re: Re: Not possible!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tseng


-Sab failed to set an IP range for thebluedagger
-thebluedagger's password was compromised
-thebluedagger knew the password was compromised but failed to say anything
-You gave out a few too many rights, it seems.

Lots of factors contributed to this, PS. You can't blame just one without blaming them all.

True, Nobody but 1 person should have server options.

But Loriel is Loriel, GST. If he can't be trusted to leave somebody elses options alone, then he shouldn't be on the GST.

Somebody on a Graal Sactioned NPC team should be able to be trusted. It's not ProjectShifters fault in the least, he prabably had thier npc rights limited a good deal. Doesn't help if there is no npcrights enabled.

Python523 08-20-2003 12:08 AM

Re: Re: Re: Re: Not possible!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by adam

Somebody on a Graal Sactioned NPC team should be able to be trusted. It's not ProjectShifters fault in the least, he prabably had thier npc rights limited a good deal. Doesn't help if there is no npcrights enabled.

he's at fault for not being able to replaced the NPCs with backups

Milkdude99 08-20-2003 12:13 AM

No one on the GST should have ANYONES serveroptions rights unless they are the Owner/Manager of that Server.:\

superb 08-20-2003 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Milkdude99
No one on the GST should have ANYONES serveroptions rights unless they are the Owner/Manager of that Server.:\
Well, it happened. PS gets what he deserves for not taking the proper precautions.

Tseng 08-20-2003 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Milkdude99
No one on the GST should have ANYONES serveroptions rights unless they are the Owner/Manager of that Server.:\
I disagree. If some server wants help fixing them, or just decides that the people are trustworthy and should have that right in case something goes wrong, that is their decision.

draco5432 08-20-2003 03:03 AM

Re: Re: Re: Not possible!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tseng


-Sab failed to set an IP range for thebluedagger
-You gave out a few too many rights, it seems.
You can't blame just one without blaming them all.

So your calling me at fault, or maybe, just maybe, it was PS's, or even R0bins.

osrs 08-20-2003 03:21 AM

I remember when i made more than 150 levels to the new Gaia,so Trashsoul deleted everything. :(


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