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Liberated 10-11-2009 10:13 AM

Just like that other mmorpg...
 
In another MMORPG, i don't think i can name it, you just wear your armor etc, but over your armor you can wear cash equipment, that doesn't add any stats. but still looks cool, maybe this is an idea for GK? It wouldn't affect gameplay at all, and might earn cyberjours some money.

Clockwork 10-11-2009 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Liberated (Post 1529127)
In another MMORPG, i don't think i can name it, you just wear your armor etc, but over your armor you can wear cash equipment, that doesn't add any stats. but still looks cool, maybe this is an idea for GK? It wouldn't affect gameplay at all, and might earn cyberjours some money.

This idea's already been tossed around, thought about (i think...), you're welcome to try and submit gfx in the appropriate thread for items you think people would buy? :P

Craigus 10-11-2009 12:26 PM

You don't charge people to play a game AND charge for a cash shop, it's still a good idea though, making people wear bright blue armour isn't fun lol.

Soala 10-11-2009 12:36 PM

If it would do the same than in some other games (you just wear a special equip OVER your current equip and it doesn't add any stats) then yes it would work.

kia345 10-11-2009 04:02 PM

The only games I've seen with a cashshop are totally free otherwise. Micropayments. It wouldn't work because no one is that stupid, they're already paying too much as it is for too little content.

Rufus 10-11-2009 04:09 PM

It doesn't make any sense what-so-ever to post this in a forum that is primarily used by customers. "Wouldn't it be a great idea to get money out of you! Sell you things that don't actually do anything :D" doesn't sound too appealing when it's not glossed up, or some could argue, even when it is. You'd be better off taking those kind of ideas to the people in charge, not informing the players how they could be further ripped off.

Discussing how we could make money for a business rather than how the business could make the server more fun (and probably more appealing in doing so) seems very backwards to me.

MajinDragon 10-12-2009 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Rufus (Post 1529175)
It doesn't make any sense what-so-ever to post this in a forum that is primarily used by customers. "Wouldn't it be a great idea to get money out of you! Sell you things that don't actually do anything :D" doesn't sound too appealing when it's not glossed up, or some could argue, even when it is. You'd be better off taking those kind of ideas to the people in charge, not informing the players how they could be further ripped off.

Discussing how we could make money for a business rather than how the business could make the server more fun (and probably more appealing in doing so) seems very backwards to me.

He said it all.

Devil 10-12-2009 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Liberated (Post 1529127)
In another MMORPG, i don't think i can name it, you just wear your armor etc, but over your armor you can wear cash equipment, that doesn't add any stats. but still looks cool, maybe this is an idea for GK? It wouldn't affect gameplay at all, and might earn cyberjours some money.

I think Rufus hit the nail on the head, so I really shouldn't be saying anything.. but why the hell do you care if they make money? They make barely anything off of this game, and they're still alive so they're getting their bread elsewhere clearly.

Liberated 10-12-2009 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Rufus (Post 1529175)
It doesn't make any sense what-so-ever to post this in a forum that is primarily used by customers. "Wouldn't it be a great idea to get money out of you! Sell you things that don't actually do anything :D" doesn't sound too appealing when it's not glossed up, or some could argue, even when it is. You'd be better off taking those kind of ideas to the people in charge, not informing the players how they could be further ripped off.

Discussing how we could make money for a business rather than how the business could make the server more fun (and probably more appealing in doing so) seems very backwards to me.

Well it all depends on you wanting to get ripped of really, would you be willing to spent more irl money then you already do on cooler looking equips? I wouldn't, but maybe other people would.

MajinDragon 10-12-2009 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Liberated (Post 1529502)
Well it all depends on you wanting to get ripped of really, would you be willing to spent more irl money then you already do on cooler looking equips? I wouldn't, but maybe other people would.

Erm... No one wants to pay anymore than their already paying to keep their subscriptions... You could have a little argument if GK and Zone, the so-called Gold servers, were bursting with content & updates. But that's not the case. And there already is a system like your suggesting, and it's a disgusting system in my opinion. Look how gelats are used on zone. You have to pay your monthly subscription to join that, and even when you do, you're faced with players who pay even more for exclusive gelat weapons, that don't even last forever. Moreover, the 'regular' (yea, you p2p, but you're still oppressed) shop is so limited in what you can buy. I was shocked to see jetpack removed and made a gelat item !pissed!

Anyway, the point is, this may work if we don't have to pay to subscribe at all. I don't deny there isn't a market for those who want to look great but don't want to work for it. But this is the last thing GK needs, what we need is a reason to re-subscribe, a recurring one. Not another blatant way to bleed players of their will to play.

Tigairius 10-12-2009 05:42 PM

Some people actually like spending money to receive perks, you guys can't really speak for everyone.

MajinDragon 10-12-2009 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigairius (Post 1529586)
Some people actually like spending money to receive perks, you guys can't really speak for everyone.

It'd work better if GK was completely free to play, and the extra's cost.

Gelats could work great. Make regular armor, clothes, hair etc, not that attractive (unless very rare). And extra fashions, like new clothes, hairstyles & even decorative armour can be payed for either for a week of use, month, 3 months and 6months. The longer payed for, the lower the overall cost and more saved - incentive.
I'll admit, i'd probably use gelats in this way if the game was free to play. It would also encourage stefan and other to actually develop, as they won't just be developed for nothing. They'll know that they'll probably see a return on their time investment. Other things like XP boosts for x days could be bought or link gelats to playerhouses and gold keys. These two would create the incentive for content development as they are closely linked to that; if people are paying 3000 gelats for 6months of 3x more exp, they will want new dungeons and quests to use them on. And more dev can go into playerhouses if people are paying for perks.

GK can succeed if managed properly. I think it's time to make it free and payment is for the perks. Zone could be successful like this aswell, the problem is that you pay to play... and then are still made to feel sub-standard.

Tigairius 10-12-2009 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MajinDragon (Post 1529595)
It'd work better if GK was completely free to play, and the extra's cost.

I agree, but right now that's not an option (due to reasons beyond my decision).

Gothika 10-13-2009 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MajinDragon (Post 1529595)
Gelats could work great. Make regular armor, clothes, hair etc, not that attractive (unless very rare). And extra fashions, like new clothes, hairstyles & even decorative armour can be payed for either for a week of use, month, 3 months and 6months. The longer payed for, the lower the overall cost and more saved - incentive.

That could work effectively. Especially around Holiday times when they can throw out some limited edition Christmas/Halloween or whatever style gear.
Stuff like exp boost potions of whatever would be a good idea. I bet people would buy them because it can be quite a grind to level up on GK, and people would be willing to pay a little to get some quicker leveling done.

Stephen 10-13-2009 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Tigairius (Post 1529586)
Some people actually like spending money to receive perks, you guys can't really speak for everyone.

Right, but it seems Rufus was mostly angling that staff shouldn't present marketing strategies in a customer forum - they will receive an unenthusiastic response and it's ultimately retarded.


Which is entirely true, but previous to your post, quoted above, there has been no staff activity in this thread - it was suggested by a player. So I'm not really sure what Rufus is on about. http://theugcc.com/forums/images/smilies/dunno.png

Rufus 10-13-2009 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 1529722)
it seems Rufus was mostly angling that staff shouldn't present marketing strategies in a customer forum - they will receive an unenthusiastic response and it's ultimately retarded.

If I was responding to a member of staff that would be true, however the opening post is coming from a player, and I don't see why I would get the impression otherwise. I don't see where my post leaves room for obscurity either, it's a pretty simple concept to understand; People come to these forums seeking content, not ways to help the company get more money. After all, whose money is it? I find it in poor taste to be posting an idea based on how it would be an advantage to the business itself, as opposed to its playerbase, in a forum consisting almost entirely of players.

Stephen 10-13-2009 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Rufus (Post 1529730)
If I was responding to a member of staff that would be true, however the opening post is coming from a player, and I don't see why I would get the impression otherwise. I don't see where my post leaves room for obscurity either, it's a pretty simple concept to understand; People come to these forums seeking content, not ways to help the company get more money. After all, whose money is it? I find it in poor taste to be posting an idea based on how it would be an advantage to the business itself, as opposed to its playerbase, in a forum consisting almost entirely of players.

I was under the impression you were scolding the administration, not an individual player - hence my confusion.

Rufus 10-13-2009 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 1529733)
I was under the impression you were scolding the administration, not an individual player - hence my confusion.

It is common courtesy to quote who you're responding to, much like you just did to me. I was referring to the opening post (like you do when you're not quoting someone specifically) therefore my response was to the opening post. Glad we cleared that up, because everyone else seemed to get it. http://theugcc.com/forums/images/smilies/dunno.png

Stephen 10-13-2009 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Rufus (Post 1529736)
Glad we cleared that up, because everyone else seemed to get it. http://theugcc.com/forums/images/smilies/dunno.png

I'm not really sure why you're consistently crass towards me.

Fulg0reSama 10-13-2009 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Liberated (Post 1529127)
In another MMORPG, i don't think i can name it, you just wear your armor etc, but over your armor you can wear cash equipment, that doesn't add any stats. but still looks cool, maybe this is an idea for GK? It wouldn't affect gameplay at all, and might earn cyberjours some money.

The name of game your looking for is Maplestory. But i dont think we need people having heart rings and playing retarded effects around when they're close (I know close minded of me to say but still) it would just be a bit on the obnoxious side.

MajinDragon 10-13-2009 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama (Post 1529924)
The name of game your looking for is Maplestory. But i dont think we need people having heart rings and playing retarded effects around when they're close (I know close minded of me to say but still) it would just be a bit on the obnoxious side.

There are many games which have that sort of a system. Although none of which, atleast none that i've encountered, have a system where you have to p2p also.

Fulg0reSama 10-14-2009 05:48 AM

I'm sure of that. Gunbound (Except they give stats), WoW actually if u think about certain things with the upper deck card codes. But maplestory is a pretty common thought when it comes down to what hes asking.

And WoW is one

kia345 10-14-2009 06:00 AM

talking about other mmorpgs is bannable CHILL OUT GUYS, NEXT YOU'LL BE TALKING ABOUT ILLICIT SUBSTANCES AND HIDING BODIES

Lonewolf2004 10-14-2009 11:20 AM

ROFL @KIA
On topic: I thought they did something like this already you cant change your head unless your subscribed.

BigBear3 10-14-2009 07:11 PM

World of Warcraft.

MajinDragon 10-14-2009 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Lonewolf2004 (Post 1530277)
ROFL @KIA
On topic: I thought they did something like this already you cant change your head unless your subscribed.

You also can't go above level 10 in any skill, your ac and wc are capped, you can't visit kingdom islands, access some events, are open to persecution and made easily identifiable through your white name. Vise versa, those are what you avoid :oo: But are then doomed to then care about the future of the server because you've practically invested in it.

Note: Buying Gold doesn't shield you from persecution ;)


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