If being a "nerd" means putting thought into what you're saying, then that's hardly an insult or anything worth pointing out. Your post shows childishness and is a waste of space, his doesn't and is not.

This is the usual post to show you I am paying attention and I already know. Hiring new GPs is a second thought to fixing the player count since I can't really hire without players. I even read somewhere about not banning hackers right away since they boost our player count...that's just silly to me but true.

I did enjoy seeing our player count at 30+ today though. If that was the norm then I could probably hire some GPs out of that player pool.

As for everything else said in the thread I won't openly express my views. Feel free to ask me in private.

low playercount doesn't justify low GP count

Hmm, maybe if there was a playercount to actually police I'd do something. However, seeing as it has an average playercount of 10, with those 5 of those being staff and the other 5 is their RCs, I really think it's not worth quite worth it.

I may be a GP but at the same time I want to play the game and have fun. I can't do this right now, infact, a lot of people can't as they feel that they have to develop to have fun. What kind of state is that? Paying to develop someone elses game so yourself can have something to do. No thanks.

Doubt you'd need to as myself and Shimmy would probably come back from playing UN.

holy nerd rufus.

I don't get what you mean here, care to elaborate?

How would going under construction "reduce the will power" of the staff if it isn't there currently? Players attitudes are a large part of what kills the motivation of staff, and it has been like this for years. A lack of playercount creates a sense of wasted time in producing content. Going hidden would remove distractions, you don't have to entertain players, and you don't have to constantly develop short term where the focus should be long term content. You're not battling against two forms of development, therefore the direction should be clear and quality work should surface as you have more time to consider how it would be received, rather than just releasing it straight away as the players are bored and complaining again.

I don't really see how it is fair to the server itself in keeping it up if you don't believe that if you took it down, it would come back with no problems through the quality of your own content. If that was the case and the content is not suitable for a revival, the content should never be released to the public.

No, the game was created in a way that you could contribute if you wanted to. In Graal The Adventure you did not have to contribute to development in order to enjoy the game that you paid for. The Classic tab servers are not advertised as a development platform, they're advertised as game servers and like Dusty and myself have already said, should be treated as such. Not everyone in this thread has the ability nor willingness to contribute under current circumstances, and they shouldn't have to either, but that doesn't mean that they can't voice their opinions on the bad direction that the current circumstances are under.

That's what happens when you listen to the older players too much and develop your content based upon their opinions. While these players only turn up once every few months, the actual players of the server get ignored. There needs to be a happy medium, but in order to do that you need developers that understand what that happy medium is. Releasing a "Love" NPC for Valentines day, because it was old content, is not a happy medium. Releasing Bowling without any changes, because it was old content, is not a happy medium. The reactions show, the content is wasted.

There's only so much that the Game Coordinator team can do. When you're battling against bad development decisions, how do you expect to retain players through your events? As players as well as volunteering staff, how do you expect people to even log on?

Oh right so when the server was based in the US it wasn't an inconvenience for European players? Well actually, it wasn't because we still sparred, PK'd and played events no problem. I was able to hold my own quite easily when the server was in the US, so why can't Americans now? If the server was in the US (which no one actually attempted to directly get back other than myself) then nobody would be complaining. Instead we were lumbered with a horrible hit detection, great attempt.

That is not true at all. As players it is impossible to get ideas thrown in, people have tried. As staff it is the same way, and I know of a couple of developers who have had and some who still have this issue. It's not as simple as "you've got RC so go influence some things" because you don't need RC to voice your opinion, and you certainly shouldn't need to be staff. Aside from that though, what the hell is "envy towards the players concerns" about?

Good content? Bad content? Who cares at least it's content right? What a stupid thing to say. Players on Classic have such low expectations of what the server could be and what potential it has. I honestly don't understand how people can say "he's trying his best" and similar comments and play for that reason. I don't play on games because the developer was trying his best when he made it, to then have a terrible game with terrible features that don't appeal to me at all. I play games because the developer tried his best and released a great end product that was fun and focused on what I wanted. That's generally the logic as to why anyone plays a game, so I don't see why the players of Classic have this watered down view of what the server can be like, but it is completely useless and gets the server nowhere.

Ok. I honestly think classic is at a pathetic low now.
It's become a cliche server that's about CTF cause that's the only thing that is good on that server, but now I'm even sick of CTF.
Is that really all classic is reduced to now? A CTF server? I rather play old classic on trial than play new classic on a gold/classic account.

About Master Storm and the dev team.. I really think he lost motivation on the server. He's a nice guy but he's not pushing the server anywhere.

Thor has potential but doesn't get the players. He doesn't listen to what the players want. He won't admit that his HD is
bad/needs to be recalled and worked on some more because HE made it.

If any HD, it should be one where you can actually hit people. I don't give a crap if I get hit far away, as long as I see I hit someone, I want it to hit someone.

I think the latest useful/cool think I've seen is Massokre's new item if anything. It's better than stupid maps and stuff.

Yeah, I've been checking on classic on and off to see if anyone is doing anything bad. If classic wasn't in such a terrible state then I'd be on it more, but there's barely any people on to make so much trouble.

agree , but ctf IS everything , even if its ****

Such as my supernicks changing idea. Supernick told me once that he created that place in 2000, and redid it in 2004 where tons of people complained about it. Supernicks being redone as a functioning spar place could be vital towards a close compact city, but would it fly with people? Particularly the oldbies who staff cater the most for. That's why they don't touch that useless place, which many things can be done for.

Classic does have a dev server, you know. It's where Master Storm usually creates his "systems" but if there was a need to do UC work, that's the place without any player distraction. And that server is Classic enabled. Player distraction isn't even the problem. The problem is if things can be done. Classic's current team is weak, and will power is being lost. There is no surefire Classic would even return if undergone UC. You might say that would be okay as long as Classic doesn't have to be in misery, but there are still some people who enjoy Classic and would miss it. It's also sad to see a server whom people worked so hard making content for just go like that. At the very least, if PWA cared, they would monitor what Storm is doing. Era had a very successful UC state and coming back to Classic Tab with a large amount of players. I do recall however, Graal2001 being off the list when i first came to Graal, seeing it come back and instantly dying again. As for losing will power, it's a general theory of mine. I just think most of the staff like to work on a somewhat frequented server and not UC servers, unless they're severely loyal staff. That's why you see Classic barely getting staff, and UN getting staff, and it would only hurt Classic more if they go UC.


Rofl, then tell me, who should be developing the content? Graal management? They haven't helped for as long as i can remember. You guys are singling out people who are just like you, but making a developmental effort. The real people you should be furious at in regards to this point is the Graal management. Not Classic Staff

Agreed pretty much. Love NPC would be okay if it would have any more affect than putting hearts around somebody. It isn't too much of a liability to the server anyways, but not a very useful addition.

Right now, the only thing affecting events is the HD. Many players were dissatisfied with the previous serverside HD, and other players wouldn't dare to come on this server just because they did not like that HD at all. Even the current one was being constantly complained about. Events create player enjoyment, and events don't always have to rely on slashing your sword. But with our GC Admin being inactive, there's not much to do for the events future. I have spoken to Night and he has actually told me he is going to try and get more active so that's a positive hope towards the GC future.

Well that problem has been disestablished now, hasn't it? We have a clientside HD, which only receives damage based on if the player is hit on his/her own screen. People complained about both HD's and apparently adding the default HD in isn't as easy as it sounds.

Moving Classic to Europe was the worst move you could make in regards to player enjoyment since a bulk of the players come from the US.

I do recall their being a poll for clientside HD and everyone wanted it. It was even tested in several events and locations where people were still okay with it. Blame the players a little? It's what they wanted.

So you are saying having RC doesn't have it's own benefits? RC is where most developers actually discuss plans/projects. Anyone with RC could throw in their fair share of criticism. And what i mean by "envy towards the players concerns" is exactly what that sentence means. Xaphan seems to agree with most of the players, and is a Staff member with RC. I know this thread was created on the reaction of players from the Monthly Spar.

Yeah players can voice their opinion. PM Master Storm, and tell him. You probably won't see action but that's the best way to voice your opinion for right now. I guess if you can emphasize your idea very brilliantly might he consider it.

Well I don't recall him releasing terrible content. The HD issue is being looked at and being dealt with though. That is the only addition which might of created a negative effect on the server, but I've explained the HD issue in several other points so yeah. Bowling wasn't great, but it's always something to do on the side. The Map addition was good, and clearly has no downside rather than not being a priority right now. Right now, the Staff team is trying their best to suit the player needs. Most of the decisions made were off what the player thought on polls.

@Stryker: Maybe you should see who are some of your active GP's first. Eillen, Deo, and E26 haven't tagged up in a good month plus. GP's and FAQ's should be the two non development positions to have their staff actively tag up regardless of playercount. I was talking to Ranger about ensuring his team's activity and he told me he checks to see if his FAQ's do tag up on a consistent basis. The reason the GP and GC team falls is because of the lack of ensuring activity.

GP's dont have to do anything more than tag up, wait for player complaints, help clean up any harassment/inappropriateness on the overworld, and clean up masses. As ranger said, a low playercount doesn't justify low GP Count. GP's are always needed and I can't believe the amount of harassment/hacking that actually goes on at some points. Mind you I'm not telling you how to do your job, but showing you that GP's are not dependent off playercount.

@Xaphan: Some of the stuff if just said up above counts here too. As for your players have to develop to create content idea, that's always how Graal has been. Classic has a development team releasing things from time to time, whether it be slow or not. They are not a big team right now, but still work towards getting things done.

I think the suggestion to help Classic if you want to see more content out there was aimed at if you're impatient and want something now, or otherwise wait. Or if you want to take a shot at doing some of the things you would like to do.

@Mystic: Its not because you dont see staffs online that we are not active , get it right

So parts of Graal have been developed by players the last 10 years, so what? What are you getting at?

I am sick of feeling that I have to develop content to enjoy a game that I paid for. Tell me one other game like this, that's right, there isn't one. Graal is a game first, not a development platform. I don't have development skills and I shouldn't need them either to enjoy a game that I paid for. No one should.

Yes. Expect great benefits consistently from a game you paid for 4 years ago. Great thinking. :rolleyes:

In the end, Graal is just one part of your current resumue that will end up not existing and become meaningless.

I expect to get what I paid for.

Graal's whole business model is based around players building their content. Where have you been?

And then I think to myself, you're using the whole "I am a customer, I purchased this game, I should be able to play without developing" but then you go and demand that other players (much like yourself) should be designing content for you to work on. Is that hypocrisy or irony? I forget.

It's neither. Different people have different interests in games. Some people will want to play Graal to actually enjoy the work of others, some will want to 'play' Graal to make content for others to enjoy.

Xaphan has every right to want to only enjoy Graal as a player, not as a developer. If other people want to volunteer and develop a server that represents Graal, there is some responsibility. No, they're not getting paid, but they did volunteer. Just like if you were to volunteer at a soup kitchen, people still wouldn't tolerate you spitting in their soup and pissing in their drinks. It's not the same responsibility as a job, but right now MS doesn't want to give up his spot so he's only stopping someone more capable from stepping up and improving things. Xaphan, as a player, has every right to complain when things aren't fun. If someone wants to claim to be a developer, they should be prepared to have others criticize them, whether it's volunteer or not. Especially if they're preventing others from doing better.

My point, in a nutshell: Xaphan wants to just play. MS/Thor wants to development. As a player, Xaphan has the right to criticize the staff's work, even if they're not getting paid. Why? Because it comes with the territory and any developer, paid or not, knows that. Especially when there is money involved.