Funny you say that, because 2 days ago during CTF X-Sumo I was able to run rings around Gemini, some other noob and Gladius, it was so incredibly easy to just dodge their hits, even though I clearly saw them hit me - I wasn't "hit". I was eventually hit out by Darkus.

Sure, this gave me an advantage but that's my point: it's no longer a game if it's THAT easy to just grab the flag and run away. Theres no longer any need of "skills".
The disadvantage of this is that it's now incredibly hard to chase and kill a flag holder, in fact it's virtually impossible without the support of 2 or more team members.

Yeah, I am going to agree about the HD. I was in a LMS a few days ago and I clearly hit two or three people but because they were moving away from me it didn't count as a hit. At one point I swung, missed my intended target, but another player walked into me midswing and I killed them.

Yes, that is my biggest grievance about the HD. I wish they'd just use an HD that works instead of messing around with everything, I'm not really arsed about whether it is clientside or whatever. Just use something that ****ing works, this does not work. It's not a case of adjusting this either so don't think it is...

Apparently they were given the original numbers(used in default) for the HD that Stefan used but they didn't implement them. I could be wrong, though.

time to bring in the old faithful default hd

If the default hit detection was used then the majority of what Classic has would be wasted. A big example would be the events, which were mainly built around the serverside hit detection. People enjoyed Classic's events and their fairness, some even said they were the best on Graal at the moment, and they will always be used to keep the server alive. With a change to clientside or default hit detection however, they are never going to be as fun as they were like you've already said.

ok about the hd , no one like it but i can understand that
about the baddy , with this new hd you can clearly see baddy hit you more than before if you try to use your sword . its almost impossible to dodge them if they come 4-5 on you . on the defaulthd you could take about 10-11 at time.

classic is doomed

now that i've finally played with this HD, i actually like it.. it's a lot more accurate then the previous one imo

that not true , that NOT accurate at all.

the only thing that's bad about the HD is it's impossible to combo, that's it..

Wow. Ranger is back.

There is way too much wrong with classic. MS does need to be fired I agree with that. In my opinion anyone with a heartbeat that actually is dedicated to classic would be a better fit than him.

I have a very biased opinion because I played when classic was the only server. I honestly think we should have left it how it was. Improving upon the quests, adding to the events, Improving upon levels.... All that good stuff. It would bring in more 'new' people. Hell, I only play UN because it had a decent amount of people when I started on it. The server is a peice of garbage.

HD system is absolutly ridiculous. I dont know why they continue to make that one system their 'selling point'.

Classic is dead... And Ive come to terms with that. ****, I liked the things tyhm did about 1000000000000 times more.

Alright, so I'm going to give my own point of view. I hope some people will actually read this.

While Storm is Manager, terribly being one as well, he can't do much to save it now. There is also not much changes you can without straying from the Classic perspective. I have told Master Storm he should probably quit if this many people are actually having serious problems with his management. He still believes he has a responsibility towards that server although nobody is asking him to have one. I will agree with him on that he can't pleasure everybody, but then again, who is he pleasuring? EDIT: I will vouch for Storm when i say he is one of the more willing managers to talk to players on Classic. Unlike any UN Manager, even the current one, who has just made me loathe UN more and more.

I also asked him about the server going UC idea, but he said that wouldn't be a good idea as well, which i can sort of agree with because of the fact nothing is happening on Classic now, and going UC would only reduce the will power of the current staff. Era's going UC and coming back was successful though so who knows, but that was back then when there were more developers. People making the argument that players shouldn't have to have the thought of trying to contribute? This game was created based around the fact that it is all player created. Everyone in this thread could contribute something to the server, if you have this much time to complain.

Yeah some things would happen with a new manager, but not much to preserve Classic. How many of you people would complain if some dramatic change happened to Classic that resulted in an old level being removed? You'd be furious even though it could be for the greater good. A **** load of people complained when Burger refuge was removed for an ice ring though that level was weird anyways. I tried suggesting a remake over of Supernicks to suit a centralized spar in Graal city since the more vital locations should be in the hot spot city, while quests and player created levels should be on the outskirts. Storm shot the idea down saying only Supernick can touch that place, which Supernick doesn't care for. I do agree for more quests, and thought about creating levels for that too,

People talk about how Graal the Adventure was so great and better and they would want that back. Yeah it was great back then, but ALL of graal was. I mentioned that in another thread.There is no surefire guarantee that Classic would even get more dedicated players if they commit to a project like GTA now. I used to love UN back then. It has a bulk of the same content it had for years, but the community fell to shreds. (Edit: Lol the whole UN line was cut out somehow) In reality, there would be thousands of levels you'd have to convert. There are a lot of people with scripting capabilities in this thread and past who are complaining about having the old content back. Why not just take a try at it yourself? I have actually talked to Storm about anybody converting the entire old content, and he said he would consider it if someone would actually present that to him. In reality, no one would want to commit their time to that and it's not virtually possible without losing interest. It's not even an idea the dev team should try focusing on since those things are in the past, and future actions should be thought about. Ziplock had some really cool ideas for Classic, with which he shared some with me,, but I don't know if he has enough will power to go on with it.

As for the other admin issue, some measures should be taken as to that. Stryker was on the verge of being removed, he comes back, hires a few GP's, then disappears again making faint appearances. Half his team isn't active, nor has logged on Classic in the past month. HELL, one of his GP's manages Era logging on Classic once every month. Staff dedication mirite?

Night, on the other hand of being a respectable and one of the only liked Admins, rarely logs on Classic. Hell, he doesn't even know who his active GC's are anymore. There are about 10 GC's including Night, and half of them haven't even logged on tag in the past month. I understand this whole people having a life thing, but usually that indicates some have to go.

I find it funny how Oni is complaining so much about Classic when he is a GC who is capable of helping the effort. He doesn't like to acknowledge himself as a GC, but he certainly hasn't came to Night that he wants to quit so Night finally figures out the GC team is suffering. Yes, events are a very important thing to Classic considering that's Classic's backbone right now for anyone's enjoyment. Classic actually averaged 20 ( Even hit a high of 33 people) people today just because the few active GC's were giving some enjoyment to people. Right now, the HD is killing that enjoyment, but serverside HD was more of an inconvenience for us American players. I actually would prefer this over the serverside HD so long as I don't get hit from 20 tiles away by european players. No HD will satisfy anybody tbh. As for people complaining about the HD, default would be even harder for you guys in events such as CTF since you all are accustomed to the s-bash tecnique, and then you would ***** again.

Most of the people here complaining gave up on Classic, and play servers like Era now instead of giving their hand to the relief effort of any sort. Xaphan, you are a GP. You have an RC on Classic. You are capable of handing suggestive ideas via RC to the active dev team as well as give critiques as well since you possess oh so much envy towards the players concerns. Hell you can even start doing your job on Classic.

I also love it how particularly you guys have to single out Thor here. While i usually don't agree with him on some stuff, he is actually doing something for Classic whether it be good or bad, rather than complaining. Rufus, maybe you of all people should be a little more considerate for his work? You don't have to like it, but you should at least acknowledge it's different from the initiative any other Dev on Classic is trying to do. People were complaining about serverside HD. He took his time to make a new one, although perfect yet people still are complaining, even giving up his advantage over the more populated American players. I thought the map idea was actually a good one, though not a dramatic change.

I'm just very tired of seeing player such as Kill and Laura complain about every thing, yet do nothing to help the effort, and instead go and play Era or try to sabotage a GC's events creating a burden on the GC team. They have done it to me several times now.

Wow, that was long.

holy nerd mystic

mystics post was well thought out and constructive luda. i don't see anything wrong with that