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kenyonandelliot 07-19-2005 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by p2p_Sir_Link
How about you? I'd make a more suitable manager then yourself.

Yeah, dream on. Being able to Manage a private server is nothing compared to a Classic server.

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Originally Posted by p2p_Sir_Link
Invalid counterarguement. GP Admins cannot be good managers if they do not have abilities to script/level. Running the show doesn't mean you don't do work

You don't need to script or level good to be a manager. Also, not being able to script or level is a dumb reason why someone can't be a manager. Hes been a GP for a long time, he seen how the past Manager's worked and how they handled the server. It's not about being good at levels or scripting it is how you MANAGE the server.

p2p_Sir_Link 07-19-2005 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by kenyonandelliot
Yeah, dream on. Being able to Manage a private server is nothing compared to a Classic server.

Dip****, how the hell would you know?

kenyonandelliot 07-19-2005 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by p2p_Sir_Link
Dip****, how the hell would you know?

because it is obvious?

p2p_Sir_Link 07-19-2005 09:40 PM

I've yet to see you as manager anywhere, and if Dark Nations is on your resume don't even talk.

jacob_bald6225 07-19-2005 09:45 PM

I think being a manager would require management skills, which would involve in keeping everything orginized, listening to the players, and regulating the flow of updates.

p2p_Sir_Link 07-19-2005 10:29 PM

Can anyone say I was doing a bad job with the classic revival?

StrykerTFFD 07-19-2005 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by p2p_Sir_Link
Can anyone say I was doing a bad job with the classic revival?

You were doing a bad job with the Classic Revival.

p2p_Sir_Link 07-19-2005 10:58 PM

Please shut up, man.

kenyonandelliot 07-19-2005 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by p2p_Sir_Link
Can anyone say I was doing a bad job with the classic revival?

You were doing a bad job with the classic revival.. see i said it

maximus_asinus 07-20-2005 01:16 AM

Scripting and Level Editing is a requirement for a good Manager. A Manager should contributed to as much aspects of a server as possible. Managing staff should be left up to each divisions admin.

Vintersorg 07-21-2005 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Minoc
Regarding Ventrue, it might seem that the staff consists of many members of the same guild, but hasn't it always been that way? There were times when NBK pretty much controlled GP, and others when SM controlled the administrator positions. If you wish to change the current condition, get your whole guild to send staff applications.

except they will all get rejected because ventrue controls all the staff positions ^_^;

~Deacon (SM)

Vintersorg 07-21-2005 02:50 AM

First i would like to point out, before some ***** runs off to get Vinter banned for account sharing, he has posted this on my behalf, with that said:

I have read all 12 pages of this argument, so i'll add my 2 cents;

Events does not = Content. The view Storm took that "so long as GC was up and running at the time we switched everything would be ok" was the wrong one. Events are the icing on the cake, constantly updated, improved competetive games for advanced players. They're the icing on the cake. On classic, it's all we have. It's like being served a dead rat in a restaurant that has been given a sprig of mint to make it look nicer - once you've eaten the mint, all that's left is a dead rat. This is what it's like every time an event is over on classic.

Classic, in my opinion, has a great events team but probably the worst and most archaic events system ever conceived, it's the same one we were using 2 or 3 years ago. If you go on any other server, a slick HUD and warp system is used to let you get into and out of events with minimal waiting and fuss, and the host only ever has to deal with the people who are currently playing in the event. The classic system is not just old - it's crap, and it places a huge amount of stress on the GCs hosting the event. It was considered good at the time it was invented because at that time events was a relatively new concept, and the GC of Hell Raven days were long gone ( thankfully), but our current waiting room / GC complex is just really bad, and if we're honest, it could have been revised only a few weeks after it was originally implemented - some time in 2002 i think ?. Now even the worst, most poorly run servers with the most immature players boast something more sophisticated than our glorified LAT tool.

Aside from that, i don't really have anything to add, it's all been covered by other people - the problems are staring us all in the face, and we're all waiting for some proverbial big bang that will suddenly create huge sprawling overworlds with complex NPCs and a large playerbase.

~ Deacon (SM)

p2p_Sir_Link 07-21-2005 04:43 AM

I so totally agree with this that it is not even funny.

kenyonandelliot 07-21-2005 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by p2p_Sir_Link
I so totally agree with this that it is not even funny.

It is funny how you added the stupid "its not even funny" cliche.

p2p_Sir_Link 07-21-2005 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by kenyonandelliot
It is funny how you added the stupid "its not even funny" cliche.

It is funny how you think you're hot **** and that someone on classic even knows who the hell you are.

kenyonandelliot 07-21-2005 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by p2p_Sir_Link
It is funny how you think you're hot **** and that someone on classic even knows who the hell you are.

So untrue.. I don't think im bad and I don't care if people know who I am or not. I only come on classic to own fightstar.

It's funny how you get pissed off easily. :rolleyes:

p2p_Sir_Link 07-21-2005 07:29 AM

just please leave the thread, leave classic. Nothing you've said is constructive, and no one cares for the opinion of a non-solid classic player.

Evil_Trunks 07-21-2005 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by StrykerTFFD
You were doing a bad job with the Classic Revival.

Unlike someone else?

kenyonandelliot 07-21-2005 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Evil_Trunks
Unlike someone else?

Like who else had made a thread about classic reivival besides, Kevin? And it wasn't really a bad job since people know what Classic really needs like the things on the classic playerworld list and events.

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Originally Posted by p2p_Sir_Link
just please leave the thread, leave classic. Nothing you've said is constructive, and no one cares for the opinion of a non-solid classic player.

No, you can't make me and you can't touch this. *listens to MC Hammer again* Oh yeah like trying to make me feel bad isn't going to help, neither is calling me a dip**** everytime you get pissed off.

p2p_Sir_Link 07-21-2005 09:13 AM

*****, you don't know anything about my classic revival. Seriously, keep your nose out of **** it doesn't belong in.

kenyonandelliot 07-21-2005 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by p2p_Sir_Link
*****, you don't know anything about my classic revival. Seriously, keep your nose out of **** it doesn't belong in.

Whats wrong with you? I want to help get my favorite server back but no every time I make a comment I get harassed. I don't even know why you hate me, is it because I kept IMing you to make something for the server you worked at?

Lance 07-21-2005 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by p2p_Sir_Link
*****, you don't know anything about my classic revival. Seriously, keep your nose out of **** it doesn't belong in.

This post certainly motivates me to care or otherwise learn about it.

StrykerTFFD 07-21-2005 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Vintersorg
except they will all get rejected because ventrue controls all the staff positions ^_^;

~Deacon (SM)

It's been proven GP isn't Ventrue run, based on the fact...*gasp* I'm not Ventrue. Phail'd.


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Originally Posted by Evil_Trunks
Unlike someone else?

My post wasn't directed at anyone but Kevin, so what was the point of this comment? Kevin stated nobody could say that he failed, so I said it. Nothing more. :rolleyes:

p2p_Sir_Link 07-21-2005 10:08 AM

yea but GPs do nothing anymore anyway.

StrykerTFFD 07-21-2005 10:10 AM

Yeah because other Admins like to do our job for us. :cool:

p2p_Sir_Link 07-21-2005 10:18 AM

kev4asst.latadmin

StrykerTFFD 07-21-2005 10:19 AM

stryker4godmode
kev4asst.godmode

p2p_Sir_Link 07-21-2005 10:21 AM

roflmao, owned.

kenyonandelliot 07-21-2005 10:25 AM

Kevin, tell me something. Is this a thread about classic or is this a spam forum.

Stryker, tell the other admins to mind their own business.

p2p_Sir_Link 07-21-2005 10:31 AM

Wow, now you're dictating orders to the GP admin.

I'll decide the points for my own threads, thanks.

kenyonandelliot 07-21-2005 10:33 AM

I'm not dictating, I am giving him a suggestion.

Also you don't give points for your own thread, the rules does that. Oh yes I am now going to make a thread thats about Kevin and put tons of swear words because its my thread. Come on you massed about "oh im so intelligent", when you don't even know the rules of the forums.

StrykerTFFD 07-21-2005 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by kenyonandelliot
Kevin, tell me something. Is this a thread about classic or is this a spam forum.

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Originally Posted by kenyonandelliot
I'm not dictating, I am giving him a suggestion.

Also you don't give points for your own thread, the rules does that. Oh yes I am now going to make a thread thats about Kevin and put tons of swear words because its my thread. Come on you massed about "oh im so intelligent", when you don't even know the rules of the forums.

All I see is you spamming insults at Kevin. :rolleyes:

p2p_Sir_Link 07-21-2005 10:43 AM

Please do make a thread about me. I'd love to read it. I'd be touched to know that a hate thread was spawned on me alone.

p2p_Sir_Link 07-21-2005 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Lance
This post certainly motivates me to care or otherwise learn about it.

oh yea, missed this. My revival was shut down, plain and simple.

p2p_Sir_Link 07-22-2005 09:29 PM

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Time to choke the Baddies.

NefariousPK 07-22-2005 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by p2p_Sir_Link
Time to choke the Baddies.

if anyone's getting "choked" it's you,all you do is whine whine whine,do you ever shut up? nothings ever good enough for you,you sure like to brag about how good of a scripter you are,well why don't you stay at cruxis and abuse/"do work",honestly you are annoying kevin,i don't care ifthe castles there or not but you never shut up.The other day you said you would quit? it's been 5 day's are you quitting yet? well hurry up

Opposite (18/07/2005 3:19:31 PM):

Mass message:
I'll be seeing you, Classic. I'm tired of getting pushed around by staff. I'm tired of
anything I say to someone else that may have a negative light of classic getting
sent to Storm. I'm finished with not getting a straight answer, and not given any
leeway. Only 2 or 3 Classic players will be able to still talk to me, because I'll be
using a new AIM name that only those 2 (or 3) will get. Anything I seem to say
ends up becoming a new plot for me to get "storm removed". Yea, I'm glad
plots can be made off a single sentence. After not being hired to GC, having a
two day term has FAQ while I was on vacation, then being promptly removed,
and no desire to become LAT again, I have nothing keeping me here. So I'm
not staying here.

Seem's pretty emo to me :\

p2p_Sir_Link 07-22-2005 11:21 PM

congrats on posting history numbnuts.

MisterMcBrit 07-23-2005 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by p2p_Sir_Link
congrats on posting history numbnuts.

A little tact would better suit you.

StrykerTFFD 07-23-2005 12:09 AM

LAWL NUMBNUTS
PWNED'D/10

But in all seriousness, until Storm decides one day "Hey! I'm going to leave.", this thread sucks.

p2p_Sir_Link 07-23-2005 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by StrykerTFFD
LAWL NUMBNUTS
PWNED'D/10

But in all seriousness, until Storm decides one day "Hey! I'm going to leave.", this thread sucks.

roflz

kev4asst.godmode


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