Gambet, you are rushing ahead of things far too quickly. We have not discussed any rules regarding brackets or whatnot, and you are throwing your ideas out like frisbees on a California beach. If you want to keep arguing with Kai, do it on your own time. Don't bring your unapproved ideas onto the forum to get folks uptight about the RP Team when we haven't even had our first meeting yet. I could throw the ideas you discussed onto here, but I am kind enough not to do so. Except maybe one, since you decided to say this:

I suppose the idea of making areas like buildings, dungeons, etc. IC areas and forcing people to roleplay when they're in them isn't complicated, huh? I bet half of GK would just love that. Nothing better than going into trade, forgetting brackets, and being pilloried. Makes my day anyday. :whatever:

By "we" you mean me. Don't mask it. And the first thing you discussed was the roleplaying guide with Butz. Remember the second thing? Something about Debug. Don't make me go into it, or I can get you into more trouble than you anticipated.

Oh, and don't act like the RP Team is behind everything you say. As Gryffon has said to me, "It's fine if he prefaces it with 'It's just my opinion but' but not 'The RP Team thinks that'."

Butz came up with a better solution that I do believe we all agreed on. I love when people do this....use old references in arguments, when they have already been cleared. Happens a lot lately.

By "we" I mean the team. You wouldn't like it very much if the team was talking behind your back, now would you? That's not much of a team. A team is not a team if we have an outcast. There will always be disagreements, but as a team we need to hear all disagreements out and come up with a better solution. Thus, the art of teamwork!


I don't act like anyone is behind me. OOC brackets have been around forever. The OOC brackets rules have also been around forever. Until we, the team, come up with better rules to replace them, then they will have to still be used in the future.

1) How exactly do you intend to enforce them?
2) You seem to be arguing that a bad rule can only be removed if a better one can be identified?

We didn't "all agree" on anything. You just liked the idea, and you ran with it. The problem is that you do not listen, Gambet.

And no, by "we"
You meant me. And by
You meant yourself. You are not the Team, Gambet.

You were an outcast from the beginning. (A 'testmember.')

Considering you said you agreed on it and I said I agreed on it and Butz made the suggestion, then I guess that means we all agreed on it (atleast everyone who was there at the moment). Remember, it does not mean that what Butz suggested would be used, it just means that we found a better solution for an idea, which is a good thing. :)

By "we" I meant The Team.


That does not make me an outcast. I'm in the team on more of a trial basis to show Bjoern and Sam that I can keep up with both my Zone job and GK job.



1) I'm not going to enforce that rule if the team does not agree upon it. As I said, my intentions are not to punish, but rather to teach.

2) Not exactly. A bad rule can be removed, but we still have not found valid reasoning for it to be deemed a "bad rule". It is quite useful for those beginning to learn, and it's also useful during role playing events (which was explained a few posts above by someone else).

Kingdoms were invented on Graal Kingdoms for RP. If you don't want to RP then don't join a kingdom.

What the hell? Okay, whatever. I didn't agree to anything regarding areas designated for RP. Period. We did not all agree.

You are clearly not. Your mind is still "Zoned out." People don't like being punished for not using a damned set of parinthesis. Your ideas snuff out the more fun aspects of it.

Do not say "we." Have we met on this yet? No. Has everyone had a chance for input? No. Quit putting your words in our mouths.

AIM logs say differently.

Read what I said to Kai about the enforcing of rules.


I said 'we' as in everyone complaining about it in this thread, not the team. It seems you are rather confused.

This seems to conflict with your earlier statement:

"they will have to still be used in the future"

If they are not going to be enforced, how are they going to be "used"?

Well, I already explained that. Context usually makes it easy to tell that a person is speaking out of character. The brackets don't add anything, and they inconvenience the players. Bad rule.

Your words:

"Until we, the team, come up with better rules to replace them [...]"

Are you now rescinding this and agreeing that the rule could be removed even without a replacement, as long as it can be shown to be detrimental?

They won't be if the team decides to not use them.



Yes, I will bring up this discussion with the team when we have our meeting. We have still yet to meet everyone together, so nothing has been determined as of yet. But, all suggestions are welcome.

Then you are rescinding your statement. Okay.

If it were all up to you, how would you enforce the rule?

I'm not going to punish people left and right for not knowing the rules, or for being new and so forth. I just hope I WON'T have to punish anyone. I mean, I'm sure if we all agree on punishing anyone, it would be for extreme matters. Learning how to properly role play may take some time for certain people, so we have to bare with them.

Warnings are always nice :).

But I honestly wouldn't warn anyone unless they knew the rules but wanted to "act cool" by not following them :\. It happens a lot on Graal.

That is how.

That would be irrelevant if we removed OOC brackets, now wouldn't it?

Think, my friend.

You first.

You have been promoting the use of brackets, and now you want to remove them? Way to think.