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Draenin 06-22-2005 03:21 AM

Wow. I miss a few hours and the post count in this topic explodes. Kaim, if you don't like RPing, that's great. Shut up about it. We're not going to force you into using brackets or not using brackets if you don't want to. *Glares at Gambet* Quit making this such a struggle, both of you. The administration is going to exist, and it is comprised of people who were selected because they were recommended for their abilities. We plan on using our abilities to try and get things rolling on GK again in terms of character development for those who are not so uptight. If you don't like to dance, just be a wallflower. "Checkmate," mate. *snickers*

Googi 06-22-2005 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Curt1zzle
The "team" can not compensate for the stupidity of the average player. The only people who would take the time to read these guides would be the ones who already follow and abide by the rules.

Players are no more stupid or lazy than they were on 2K1, and it was the people who knew how to RP who were the trouble there.

Butz 06-22-2005 05:24 AM

The entire team hasn't had a chance to meet yet, so I can't say anything definitive, but I think we should be focusing on encouraging roleplay by making it interesting and somewhat easy for people to get into, not by becoming the RP secret police and breathing down players' necks. Here to help RP to exist by teaching and participating, not here to force it.

Splke 06-22-2005 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Draenin
Wow. I miss a few hours and the post count in this topic explodes. Kaim, if you don't like RPing, that's great. Shut up about it. We're not going to force you into using brackets or not using brackets if you don't want to. *Glares at Gambet* Quit making this such a struggle, both of you. The administration is going to exist, and it is comprised of people who were selected because they were recommended for their abilities. We plan on using our abilities to try and get things rolling on GK again in terms of character development for those who are not so uptight. If you don't like to dance, just be a wallflower. "Checkmate," mate. *snickers*

<<... You're about to get slammed into a wall thousands of time for that one, dudez.

Oh, and honestly.. the only problem I have with the "RP Team" is the people (so far I've seen) who are part of it, that being Draenin and Gambet. That's pretty pathetic lol

busyrobot 06-22-2005 05:32 AM

Just to point out: use of OOC brackets is not a rule for RPing, its a rule for not RPing and they get way overused. I find when people think its okay to disrupt the flow of an RP event to make a "look at me" joke in ((oocs)) its more distracting than not using brackets at all.

Overall I support their use, but I support actually roleplaying during the day instead of using them more, and only using them in an event to convey info needed in game that cannot be said IC. When no one in a group is roleplaying, but are on tag the lack of use them doesn't cause any problems in my opinion.

If roleplaying is to thrive, there has to be rp continuity. If you travel to Samurai while your kingdom is at war with them, oocs make no difference if the two sentries you run into just say ((dumb retard noobs get tf off if u wer in bmode youd be dead)). I am not saying Samurai is like that now (I haven't played for more than 20 minutes in months) but if you are serious about reviving RP you need rules to handle continuity in a fair way.

Draenin 06-22-2005 05:47 AM

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Just to point out: use of OOC brackets is not a rule for RPing, its a rule for not RPing and they get way overused. I find when people think its okay to disrupt the flow of an RP event to make a "look at me" joke in ((oocs)) its more distracting than not using brackets at all.
Thank you. I don't feel they need to necessarily be enforced either. Argo, don't even talk like you know who I am. You've never even spoken to me, aside from on the forums. I have other stuff to post, but not here and now, and not dealing with you, Argo, so don't get defensive.

Gambet 06-22-2005 06:02 AM

Our intentions are not to be extremely strict, as Val is. It seems the main goal is to bring back role playing to the server and to the kingdoms, and that is what we will try to do. No one alone will make any decisions, but rather all of our decisions are to be made as a team. Six minds are a lot greater then one, so we will all have to sit down and converse on basically everything (role playing wise atleast).

We are not GP's. Our intentions are not to punish. We will teach players how to role play and hopefully role playing can become more active on GK.

Splke 06-22-2005 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Draenin
Argo, don't even talk like you know who I am. You've never even spoken to me, aside from on the forums. I have other stuff to post, but not here and now, and not dealing with you, Argo, so don't get defensive.

I know there are better candidates than you. You're the one getting defensive :0

Kaimetsu 06-22-2005 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Draenin
Kaim, if you don't like RPing, that's great

Don't be an idiot. This isn't a matter of liking RPing, it's a matter of knowing how to do it properly. You want to inundate people with *****ic rules that only obstruct something that should be fundamentally free-form. And why? So that you can appear to be doing something? So you can pat yourself on the back and say you did a good job? Your problem isn't something that can be solved so trivially, and you're completely ignoring the bigger issues.

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The administration is going to exist, and it is comprised of people who were selected because they were recommended for their abilities
Hell, man. You could take any player and eventually find somebody that would recommend him. Doesn't really prove much.


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Originally Posted by Butz
I think we should be focusing on encouraging roleplay by making it interesting and somewhat easy for people to get into, not by becoming the RP secret police and breathing down players' necks. Here to help RP to exist by teaching and participating, not here to force it.

Aha. At least one of you has the right idea.

Draenin 06-22-2005 12:33 PM

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Don't be an idiot. This isn't a matter of liking RPing, it's a matter of knowing how to do it properly. You want to inundate people with *****ic rules that only obstruct something that should be fundamentally free-form. And why? So that you can appear to be doing something? So you can pat yourself on the back and say you did a good job? Your problem isn't something that can be solved so trivially, and you're completely ignoring the bigger issues.
Since when have I been churning out rules? As far as I know, all I have been talking about is what our purpose will be. Shawn and I have spoken with Gambet, who seems to be wanting to make quite a few over-the-top rules. We are not missing out on the 'bigger issues.' We have been told what to focus on, and I will ensure that we stay focused.

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Hell, man. You could take any player and eventually find somebody that would recommend him. Doesn't really prove much.
We were picked not only by other people who knew us, but also by Sam himself. True, anyone could do it, but it just so happens that we are.

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Aha. At least one of you has the right idea.
Actually, three of us have that idea as far as I know. Only one of us doesn't. It's okay though. We will try to get things with Gam--er... the team, straightened out.


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You're the one getting defensive :0
Perhaps, but you've done your best to try to take down a lot of stuff I say on the forums.

Kaimetsu 06-22-2005 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Draenin
Since when have I been churning out rules?

So you think that use of parentheses should not be mandatory? In that case, we agree with one another. We have the same opinion! So why are you saying that my disagreements with Gambet imply that I don't want to roleplay? Did you even read the things I said?

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We were picked not only by other people who knew us, but also by Sam himself
I don't think that's a name you should be proud to drop.

Also: When quoting posts, please indicate who you're actually quoting.

Draenin 06-22-2005 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu
Also: When quoting posts, please indicate who you're actually quoting.

Yeah, I've kind of been noticing that too. I'll be sure to do that. =) It sparks from laziness.

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu
So why are you saying that my disagreements with Gambet imply that I don't want to roleplay?

Because when Gambet argues, I get a tremendous headache and I have to run to the kitchen for caffeine or something to make my headache go away. We see things on the same level. I dunno if Gambet does. He has the tendency to complicate things. Butz and I have learned this well. So yeah.. I kind of get confused about things he talks about.

Kaimetsu 06-22-2005 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Draenin
Because when Gambet argues, I get a tremendous headache and I have to run to the kitchen for caffeine or something to make my headache go away

Then insult him, not me.

Draenin 06-22-2005 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Draenin
We're not going to force you into using brackets or not using brackets if you don't want to. *Glares at Gambet*

He does not take hints well.

Gambet 06-22-2005 04:52 PM

Hey, I never take the easy way out of things. And this whole ordeal between Kai and myself has been going on for quite some time.


But, anyways, there will always be someone who doesn't agree with you on things. If you just go about insulting him all around the place, well then that will just lead to problems. I do believe the first thing I said was that since we're a team, we should not throw any insults to anyone in the team at all. It seems that you, Drae, forget things quite quickly. My ideas are not "complicated" if you would sit back and listen. It seems that since I'm not at the same "level" with you, you wouldn't hear out anything I have to say since I don't agree with you.


But, hey, that's cool. There are four others.

Hey, something I learned from Kai :):

If someone doesn't agree with you on something, rather then insulting them, which gets you no-where, state your views and support them, let them state their views and support them, and then you can converse the both point of views and come up with a solution.


(or something like that =P)


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Originally Posted by Draenin
He does not take hints well.


Oh, I understood your "hint", but I chose not to address it. I'd rather not have problems with my fellow teammates, since the whole team is about teamwork. So, say what you want about me, but keep the comments on a private level.


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