If the default hit detection was used then the majority of what Classic has would be wasted. A big example would be the events, which were mainly built around the serverside hit detection. People enjoyed Classic's events and their fairness, some even said they were the best on Graal at the moment, and they will always be used to keep the server alive. With a change to clientside or default hit detection however, they are never going to be as fun as they were like you've already said.

ok about the hd , no one like it but i can understand that
about the baddy , with this new hd you can clearly see baddy hit you more than before if you try to use your sword . its almost impossible to dodge them if they come 4-5 on you . on the defaulthd you could take about 10-11 at time.

classic is doomed

now that i've finally played with this HD, i actually like it.. it's a lot more accurate then the previous one imo

that not true , that NOT accurate at all.

the only thing that's bad about the HD is it's impossible to combo, that's it..

Wow. Ranger is back.

There is way too much wrong with classic. MS does need to be fired I agree with that. In my opinion anyone with a heartbeat that actually is dedicated to classic would be a better fit than him.

I have a very biased opinion because I played when classic was the only server. I honestly think we should have left it how it was. Improving upon the quests, adding to the events, Improving upon levels.... All that good stuff. It would bring in more 'new' people. Hell, I only play UN because it had a decent amount of people when I started on it. The server is a peice of garbage.

HD system is absolutly ridiculous. I dont know why they continue to make that one system their 'selling point'.

Classic is dead... And Ive come to terms with that. ****, I liked the things tyhm did about 1000000000000 times more.

Alright, so I'm going to give my own point of view. I hope some people will actually read this.

While Storm is Manager, terribly being one as well, he can't do much to save it now. There is also not much changes you can without straying from the Classic perspective. I have told Master Storm he should probably quit if this many people are actually having serious problems with his management. He still believes he has a responsibility towards that server although nobody is asking him to have one. I will agree with him on that he can't pleasure everybody, but then again, who is he pleasuring? EDIT: I will vouch for Storm when i say he is one of the more willing managers to talk to players on Classic. Unlike any UN Manager, even the current one, who has just made me loathe UN more and more.

I also asked him about the server going UC idea, but he said that wouldn't be a good idea as well, which i can sort of agree with because of the fact nothing is happening on Classic now, and going UC would only reduce the will power of the current staff. Era's going UC and coming back was successful though so who knows, but that was back then when there were more developers. People making the argument that players shouldn't have to have the thought of trying to contribute? This game was created based around the fact that it is all player created. Everyone in this thread could contribute something to the server, if you have this much time to complain.

Yeah some things would happen with a new manager, but not much to preserve Classic. How many of you people would complain if some dramatic change happened to Classic that resulted in an old level being removed? You'd be furious even though it could be for the greater good. A **** load of people complained when Burger refuge was removed for an ice ring though that level was weird anyways. I tried suggesting a remake over of Supernicks to suit a centralized spar in Graal city since the more vital locations should be in the hot spot city, while quests and player created levels should be on the outskirts. Storm shot the idea down saying only Supernick can touch that place, which Supernick doesn't care for. I do agree for more quests, and thought about creating levels for that too,

People talk about how Graal the Adventure was so great and better and they would want that back. Yeah it was great back then, but ALL of graal was. I mentioned that in another thread.There is no surefire guarantee that Classic would even get more dedicated players if they commit to a project like GTA now. I used to love UN back then. It has a bulk of the same content it had for years, but the community fell to shreds. (Edit: Lol the whole UN line was cut out somehow) In reality, there would be thousands of levels you'd have to convert. There are a lot of people with scripting capabilities in this thread and past who are complaining about having the old content back. Why not just take a try at it yourself? I have actually talked to Storm about anybody converting the entire old content, and he said he would consider it if someone would actually present that to him. In reality, no one would want to commit their time to that and it's not virtually possible without losing interest. It's not even an idea the dev team should try focusing on since those things are in the past, and future actions should be thought about. Ziplock had some really cool ideas for Classic, with which he shared some with me,, but I don't know if he has enough will power to go on with it.

As for the other admin issue, some measures should be taken as to that. Stryker was on the verge of being removed, he comes back, hires a few GP's, then disappears again making faint appearances. Half his team isn't active, nor has logged on Classic in the past month. HELL, one of his GP's manages Era logging on Classic once every month. Staff dedication mirite?

Night, on the other hand of being a respectable and one of the only liked Admins, rarely logs on Classic. Hell, he doesn't even know who his active GC's are anymore. There are about 10 GC's including Night, and half of them haven't even logged on tag in the past month. I understand this whole people having a life thing, but usually that indicates some have to go.

I find it funny how Oni is complaining so much about Classic when he is a GC who is capable of helping the effort. He doesn't like to acknowledge himself as a GC, but he certainly hasn't came to Night that he wants to quit so Night finally figures out the GC team is suffering. Yes, events are a very important thing to Classic considering that's Classic's backbone right now for anyone's enjoyment. Classic actually averaged 20 ( Even hit a high of 33 people) people today just because the few active GC's were giving some enjoyment to people. Right now, the HD is killing that enjoyment, but serverside HD was more of an inconvenience for us American players. I actually would prefer this over the serverside HD so long as I don't get hit from 20 tiles away by european players. No HD will satisfy anybody tbh. As for people complaining about the HD, default would be even harder for you guys in events such as CTF since you all are accustomed to the s-bash tecnique, and then you would ***** again.

Most of the people here complaining gave up on Classic, and play servers like Era now instead of giving their hand to the relief effort of any sort. Xaphan, you are a GP. You have an RC on Classic. You are capable of handing suggestive ideas via RC to the active dev team as well as give critiques as well since you possess oh so much envy towards the players concerns. Hell you can even start doing your job on Classic.

I also love it how particularly you guys have to single out Thor here. While i usually don't agree with him on some stuff, he is actually doing something for Classic whether it be good or bad, rather than complaining. Rufus, maybe you of all people should be a little more considerate for his work? You don't have to like it, but you should at least acknowledge it's different from the initiative any other Dev on Classic is trying to do. People were complaining about serverside HD. He took his time to make a new one, although perfect yet people still are complaining, even giving up his advantage over the more populated American players. I thought the map idea was actually a good one, though not a dramatic change.

I'm just very tired of seeing player such as Kill and Laura complain about every thing, yet do nothing to help the effort, and instead go and play Era or try to sabotage a GC's events creating a burden on the GC team. They have done it to me several times now.

Wow, that was long.

holy nerd mystic

mystics post was well thought out and constructive luda. i don't see anything wrong with that

If being a "nerd" means putting thought into what you're saying, then that's hardly an insult or anything worth pointing out. Your post shows childishness and is a waste of space, his doesn't and is not.

This is the usual post to show you I am paying attention and I already know. Hiring new GPs is a second thought to fixing the player count since I can't really hire without players. I even read somewhere about not banning hackers right away since they boost our player count...that's just silly to me but true.

I did enjoy seeing our player count at 30+ today though. If that was the norm then I could probably hire some GPs out of that player pool.

As for everything else said in the thread I won't openly express my views. Feel free to ask me in private.

low playercount doesn't justify low GP count

Hmm, maybe if there was a playercount to actually police I'd do something. However, seeing as it has an average playercount of 10, with those 5 of those being staff and the other 5 is their RCs, I really think it's not worth quite worth it.

I may be a GP but at the same time I want to play the game and have fun. I can't do this right now, infact, a lot of people can't as they feel that they have to develop to have fun. What kind of state is that? Paying to develop someone elses game so yourself can have something to do. No thanks.

Doubt you'd need to as myself and Shimmy would probably come back from playing UN.

holy nerd rufus.

I don't get what you mean here, care to elaborate?

How would going under construction "reduce the will power" of the staff if it isn't there currently? Players attitudes are a large part of what kills the motivation of staff, and it has been like this for years. A lack of playercount creates a sense of wasted time in producing content. Going hidden would remove distractions, you don't have to entertain players, and you don't have to constantly develop short term where the focus should be long term content. You're not battling against two forms of development, therefore the direction should be clear and quality work should surface as you have more time to consider how it would be received, rather than just releasing it straight away as the players are bored and complaining again.

I don't really see how it is fair to the server itself in keeping it up if you don't believe that if you took it down, it would come back with no problems through the quality of your own content. If that was the case and the content is not suitable for a revival, the content should never be released to the public.

No, the game was created in a way that you could contribute if you wanted to. In Graal The Adventure you did not have to contribute to development in order to enjoy the game that you paid for. The Classic tab servers are not advertised as a development platform, they're advertised as game servers and like Dusty and myself have already said, should be treated as such. Not everyone in this thread has the ability nor willingness to contribute under current circumstances, and they shouldn't have to either, but that doesn't mean that they can't voice their opinions on the bad direction that the current circumstances are under.

That's what happens when you listen to the older players too much and develop your content based upon their opinions. While these players only turn up once every few months, the actual players of the server get ignored. There needs to be a happy medium, but in order to do that you need developers that understand what that happy medium is. Releasing a "Love" NPC for Valentines day, because it was old content, is not a happy medium. Releasing Bowling without any changes, because it was old content, is not a happy medium. The reactions show, the content is wasted.

There's only so much that the Game Coordinator team can do. When you're battling against bad development decisions, how do you expect to retain players through your events? As players as well as volunteering staff, how do you expect people to even log on?

Oh right so when the server was based in the US it wasn't an inconvenience for European players? Well actually, it wasn't because we still sparred, PK'd and played events no problem. I was able to hold my own quite easily when the server was in the US, so why can't Americans now? If the server was in the US (which no one actually attempted to directly get back other than myself) then nobody would be complaining. Instead we were lumbered with a horrible hit detection, great attempt.

That is not true at all. As players it is impossible to get ideas thrown in, people have tried. As staff it is the same way, and I know of a couple of developers who have had and some who still have this issue. It's not as simple as "you've got RC so go influence some things" because you don't need RC to voice your opinion, and you certainly shouldn't need to be staff. Aside from that though, what the hell is "envy towards the players concerns" about?

Good content? Bad content? Who cares at least it's content right? What a stupid thing to say. Players on Classic have such low expectations of what the server could be and what potential it has. I honestly don't understand how people can say "he's trying his best" and similar comments and play for that reason. I don't play on games because the developer was trying his best when he made it, to then have a terrible game with terrible features that don't appeal to me at all. I play games because the developer tried his best and released a great end product that was fun and focused on what I wanted. That's generally the logic as to why anyone plays a game, so I don't see why the players of Classic have this watered down view of what the server can be like, but it is completely useless and gets the server nowhere.

Ok. I honestly think classic is at a pathetic low now.
It's become a cliche server that's about CTF cause that's the only thing that is good on that server, but now I'm even sick of CTF.
Is that really all classic is reduced to now? A CTF server? I rather play old classic on trial than play new classic on a gold/classic account.

About Master Storm and the dev team.. I really think he lost motivation on the server. He's a nice guy but he's not pushing the server anywhere.

Thor has potential but doesn't get the players. He doesn't listen to what the players want. He won't admit that his HD is
bad/needs to be recalled and worked on some more because HE made it.

If any HD, it should be one where you can actually hit people. I don't give a crap if I get hit far away, as long as I see I hit someone, I want it to hit someone.

I think the latest useful/cool think I've seen is Massokre's new item if anything. It's better than stupid maps and stuff.

Yeah, I've been checking on classic on and off to see if anyone is doing anything bad. If classic wasn't in such a terrible state then I'd be on it more, but there's barely any people on to make so much trouble.

agree , but ctf IS everything , even if its ****

Such as my supernicks changing idea. Supernick told me once that he created that place in 2000, and redid it in 2004 where tons of people complained about it. Supernicks being redone as a functioning spar place could be vital towards a close compact city, but would it fly with people? Particularly the oldbies who staff cater the most for. That's why they don't touch that useless place, which many things can be done for.

Classic does have a dev server, you know. It's where Master Storm usually creates his "systems" but if there was a need to do UC work, that's the place without any player distraction. And that server is Classic enabled. Player distraction isn't even the problem. The problem is if things can be done. Classic's current team is weak, and will power is being lost. There is no surefire Classic would even return if undergone UC. You might say that would be okay as long as Classic doesn't have to be in misery, but there are still some people who enjoy Classic and would miss it. It's also sad to see a server whom people worked so hard making content for just go like that. At the very least, if PWA cared, they would monitor what Storm is doing. Era had a very successful UC state and coming back to Classic Tab with a large amount of players. I do recall however, Graal2001 being off the list when i first came to Graal, seeing it come back and instantly dying again. As for losing will power, it's a general theory of mine. I just think most of the staff like to work on a somewhat frequented server and not UC servers, unless they're severely loyal staff. That's why you see Classic barely getting staff, and UN getting staff, and it would only hurt Classic more if they go UC.


Rofl, then tell me, who should be developing the content? Graal management? They haven't helped for as long as i can remember. You guys are singling out people who are just like you, but making a developmental effort. The real people you should be furious at in regards to this point is the Graal management. Not Classic Staff

Agreed pretty much. Love NPC would be okay if it would have any more affect than putting hearts around somebody. It isn't too much of a liability to the server anyways, but not a very useful addition.

Right now, the only thing affecting events is the HD. Many players were dissatisfied with the previous serverside HD, and other players wouldn't dare to come on this server just because they did not like that HD at all. Even the current one was being constantly complained about. Events create player enjoyment, and events don't always have to rely on slashing your sword. But with our GC Admin being inactive, there's not much to do for the events future. I have spoken to Night and he has actually told me he is going to try and get more active so that's a positive hope towards the GC future.

Well that problem has been disestablished now, hasn't it? We have a clientside HD, which only receives damage based on if the player is hit on his/her own screen. People complained about both HD's and apparently adding the default HD in isn't as easy as it sounds.

Moving Classic to Europe was the worst move you could make in regards to player enjoyment since a bulk of the players come from the US.

I do recall their being a poll for clientside HD and everyone wanted it. It was even tested in several events and locations where people were still okay with it. Blame the players a little? It's what they wanted.

So you are saying having RC doesn't have it's own benefits? RC is where most developers actually discuss plans/projects. Anyone with RC could throw in their fair share of criticism. And what i mean by "envy towards the players concerns" is exactly what that sentence means. Xaphan seems to agree with most of the players, and is a Staff member with RC. I know this thread was created on the reaction of players from the Monthly Spar.

Yeah players can voice their opinion. PM Master Storm, and tell him. You probably won't see action but that's the best way to voice your opinion for right now. I guess if you can emphasize your idea very brilliantly might he consider it.

Well I don't recall him releasing terrible content. The HD issue is being looked at and being dealt with though. That is the only addition which might of created a negative effect on the server, but I've explained the HD issue in several other points so yeah. Bowling wasn't great, but it's always something to do on the side. The Map addition was good, and clearly has no downside rather than not being a priority right now. Right now, the Staff team is trying their best to suit the player needs. Most of the decisions made were off what the player thought on polls.

@Stryker: Maybe you should see who are some of your active GP's first. Eillen, Deo, and E26 haven't tagged up in a good month plus. GP's and FAQ's should be the two non development positions to have their staff actively tag up regardless of playercount. I was talking to Ranger about ensuring his team's activity and he told me he checks to see if his FAQ's do tag up on a consistent basis. The reason the GP and GC team falls is because of the lack of ensuring activity.

GP's dont have to do anything more than tag up, wait for player complaints, help clean up any harassment/inappropriateness on the overworld, and clean up masses. As ranger said, a low playercount doesn't justify low GP Count. GP's are always needed and I can't believe the amount of harassment/hacking that actually goes on at some points. Mind you I'm not telling you how to do your job, but showing you that GP's are not dependent off playercount.

@Xaphan: Some of the stuff if just said up above counts here too. As for your players have to develop to create content idea, that's always how Graal has been. Classic has a development team releasing things from time to time, whether it be slow or not. They are not a big team right now, but still work towards getting things done.

I think the suggestion to help Classic if you want to see more content out there was aimed at if you're impatient and want something now, or otherwise wait. Or if you want to take a shot at doing some of the things you would like to do.

@Mystic: Its not because you dont see staffs online that we are not active , get it right

So parts of Graal have been developed by players the last 10 years, so what? What are you getting at?

I am sick of feeling that I have to develop content to enjoy a game that I paid for. Tell me one other game like this, that's right, there isn't one. Graal is a game first, not a development platform. I don't have development skills and I shouldn't need them either to enjoy a game that I paid for. No one should.

Yes. Expect great benefits consistently from a game you paid for 4 years ago. Great thinking. :rolleyes:

In the end, Graal is just one part of your current resumue that will end up not existing and become meaningless.

I expect to get what I paid for.

Graal's whole business model is based around players building their content. Where have you been?

And then I think to myself, you're using the whole "I am a customer, I purchased this game, I should be able to play without developing" but then you go and demand that other players (much like yourself) should be designing content for you to work on. Is that hypocrisy or irony? I forget.

It's neither. Different people have different interests in games. Some people will want to play Graal to actually enjoy the work of others, some will want to 'play' Graal to make content for others to enjoy.

Xaphan has every right to want to only enjoy Graal as a player, not as a developer. If other people want to volunteer and develop a server that represents Graal, there is some responsibility. No, they're not getting paid, but they did volunteer. Just like if you were to volunteer at a soup kitchen, people still wouldn't tolerate you spitting in their soup and pissing in their drinks. It's not the same responsibility as a job, but right now MS doesn't want to give up his spot so he's only stopping someone more capable from stepping up and improving things. Xaphan, as a player, has every right to complain when things aren't fun. If someone wants to claim to be a developer, they should be prepared to have others criticize them, whether it's volunteer or not. Especially if they're preventing others from doing better.

My point, in a nutshell: Xaphan wants to just play. MS/Thor wants to development. As a player, Xaphan has the right to criticize the staff's work, even if they're not getting paid. Why? Because it comes with the territory and any developer, paid or not, knows that. Especially when there is money involved.

Since when have I "complained about everything" ?, the HD IS appauling, you even said so yourself a few weeks back, yet have suddenly changed views... I wonder why.
I have no interest in FAQ, can't do little to no work for Development, applied for GP when they were hiring.

The only way I can see myself contributing to Classic is through hosting and developing new events, or rather, a GC.

I PM'ed Night x7 at different times asking him to start hirings so I can send an app. Even before when he was active, yet got no replies. I am willing to help Classic, but my expertise is and only has been through being a GC.
I can see myself as a good GC Admin actually, much more active, constant hirings: spice everything up.

I'm not here to argue such points like but, but just for hells sake, how about every CTF game you play or every event someone hosts where you tell the GC in a mass that the event sucks, this HD sucks, everything sucks? I've admitted that I don't like the current Hd, and I've also said several times I'd rather this one more than the serverside though.

I also tried persuading Night to get rid of some of our more inactive GC's, but Night isn't even active himself to know who hosts or not.

@Xaphan: You payed about...what? 15-20 Euro in 2004-2005? Still expect benefits of that to this very day? You pay more for some silly adventure game for the PS2 or gamecube which doesn't even last you that long. Maybe if a new player who was constantly paying for their account complaining would sound a bit more justified.There are other servers rather than Classic, which could better suit your money if you're willing to go that far. I find it very immature to yell at current developers for doing volunteer work that they don't have to do. Someone pulled out that they are responsible now since they wanted to be development. That sounds selfish actually. Soup Kitchen Idea: Someone yells at you because the soup wasn't catered to their tastes. No one should put up with that. Blame Master Storm all you want. I agree with what Dusty said there because Master Storm has no intention of quitting and he is doing nothing along with that. This whole game is about community created stuff. No you don't have to develop to expect good things on a server, but if you want things done your way/quicker, might as well give a hand. Otherwise wait for Classic Dev to release something worth your time. I hate speaking in their defense so much but selfish comments irritate me.

I've paid those €20 Euros about 3 times, I didn't just pay once then stay with lifetime Classic, I was a Gold/VIP member for 3 of those 4 years. What the hell do you mean "still expecting benefits"? I'm not after benefits I'm after a game that I enjoyed for the most part of the first 3 years I started playing. I expect the game to get better, I don't expect benefits. That's what game developers do don't they? Develop games so it gets better and brings in new players. That benefits everyone, not just me, so how is that selfish?

I am complaining because they are killing what Myself and others loved. We all want to see it get better, we want to see it in capable hands. It is not in capable hands. You seem happy to settle for second best, some of us aren't. We want the Classic as we've known it, not this new one where we don't even know if it will be around for much longer.

I understand that it's voluntary but that is no excuse for low standards.

I have a right to express my opinions. Especially when they are the truth.

Those other 2 times were then for the VIP benefits of weekend Gold and UC playerworld access. You only payed once to experience p2p benefits on Classic.

I recall everybody complaining about everything. Serverside HD was complained about so many times, especially when the server moved to Europe. Clientside HD was replaced to placate the players on that concern.(It was actually decided by a bulk of the players to add that HD even when they were able to test it in different levels i think. Poll definately). Yeah it failed but blame the development team! Not the players who decided to have such a HD!

Yeah i agree Classic is in a worse state then what it was in the past year or so, but that really is in part with the failure of the staff team as a whole. Development isn't solely killing this server. And i do agree it needs to be in more capable hands. And the hands i think need to be replaced is Master Storm's.

@Kill: Yes, yes you do. But you're always discrediting a bunch of volunteer workers who are trying their best to give the players enjoyment. You contribute nothing to their effort by telling them they suck or their events are ****ty. Not to mention I haven't seen one thing that pleased you except CTF, which you still cry about as well if you aren't winning.

You talk as if I'm a rebel who's sole purpose of joining events is to destroy them.
I don't join an event that I know I won't enjoy, especially with this new HD.
I am usually a sportsmanship type of person; I give credit where due, and take defeats like a man and learn from them.
You're acting as if I lose 1 game I throw a tantrum, lmao.

Anyway, this thread isn't about me it's about Classic. This new HD is disgraceful, yesterday whatever the heck that NPC Thor layed (I think it was HD V78888 or w/e) during CTF Future was SO horrific, I don't think anyone enjoyed it let alone even get right hits in. I ended up being the only one who didn't leave my team, twice.

I really don't know how Thor thinks this HD is acceptable, just because he's a sparrer and can somehow predict opposition's movements - doesn't mean we all can. It's disgraceful how I'm now supposed to hit into thin air because i'm fighting someone 0.3 seconds behind in time (on my screen).

the hd is v999999 and yet its was so horrible the npc didnt work on anyone . yet the bomb TOO . and at some moment thor npc got deleted and the hitdetection went WORST. i say move the server back to usa so everyone can be happy again.

what i mean by being worst is , i couldnt get hit by sword+npcs. so i left.

development just needs to find a system that works and stick with it. if there are some security loopholes or some people who are having issues with the detect or whatever, then so what? can't please everybody all at once. at this point it's all about finding something that is operable and decent. and for god's sake, if it aint broke don't fix it. seriously

It IS broke if it's not detecting ANY of our hits. How can you call a HD a Hit Detection if it doesn't detect a hit?
I don't want to play events as if i'm sparring, I don't want to PK as if i'm sparring, I don't want to be a defensive **** who's trying to do 4 things at the same time:

"Consider your upload speed"
"Consider your download speed"
"Consider that the opposite person is 0.3 seconds behind on your screen"
"Consider that the movement is too fast and/or the slash delay is too low."

How on earth is this fun?! for ****s sake, someone fix this HD, I want to play normally again where I don't have to think about everything, it's much more fun if you just PLAY instead of THINK before you do every single thing. This is supposed to be a GAME, it's anything but if you're having to constantly spar someone who isn't even there.

you want to spar normally? move server back in usa and use the hd they used in 03 . that it

That's the staff attitude, not a "Classic" perspective.

The systems Master Storm are developing are pretty much offering what is already on the server in terms of game mechanics. Master Storm's systems are arguably better in structure, but essentially it offers nothing new. I disagree with the notion that if the server is removed it couldn't promote interest, because when Konidias took over Graal2001 after it flopped again he hyped the server as much as he could, and he built up an interest for it through the content that he showed. The few developers we have left in the community like feeling as though they are working on a promising project and at current Classic isn't very promising. If the content is hyped and the hype matches the quality of the server overall, a revival is very possible and the server could be better than ever. If the server continues as it is, don't you think that it is less likely for a good revival in the future?

No, it has caused even more problems.

Polling is rarely helpful in the development of a server which has little development to begin with. When I'm on my Wii and glance over at the "Everyone Votes Channel" I can go on it, vote for my opinion and predict what others are going to say. I don't feel as though I am obligated to vote for something in order to get new content, and that is how most people do feel on Classic. The polls that we get on Classic are extremely manipulative, because they play on what the players feel like they need, but don't actually produce what they do need. MoD fort for was ruined because of the opinion polls and no one has used it since. This new poll is asking players to choose which one they want -- why can't they subsequently release all of them over time? It's because if the content turns out awful, the player voted for it and the players are used as scapegoats when essentially all they ever want is something new.

Haha how condescending, you're acting as though I'm unaware of what goes on and I'm unaware of how Master Storm acts. What you said is really not true. I guess for the developers you'll have to ask them personally as I'm not going to go naming names, but you're talking in an ideal sense instead of the actual reality. I don't see how posting on a forum is not better than speaking to Master Storm directly to receive nothing from speaking to him. In fact, posting on this forum has made him get off his ass quite a lot of times, where simple discussions with him have not, well, unless you're threatening him.

Again, what benefits? How is requesting the server stops spiralling downwards expecting benefits?


Was the previous one broken?

Well said.

there was one version that i really liked but i have no idea what happened to it or when it was changed

weird how master storm hasnt posted but deleted a post.

hello

they should have just converted the old levels it would be done by now. good call on that one guys.