I'm tired of hearing "We're making stuff, but we're making stuff that works with V4!" Seriously, what is the point of that? v4 won't be coming out any time soon. The fact that they awarded someone v4 use in a tourney on Ol' West proves that it'll be longer until the main playerbase (hell, even the VIP base since we're promised "sneak peaks") gets to see it. Regardless of when v4 comes out, a few things should of been doable. Get off the V4 and GS2 buzz, no one Classic uses v3. It's pointless to walk around and play. Classic Dev had 3 years of development, correct? All the progress that happened was removed. The reasons Storm cites of the old content being unusable are invalid. It's not impossible to convert them. He doesn't want to. Big changes are being made STILL. The stuff that does get uploaded corrupts the "Classic"-ness of the server. Master Li's was taken over by Baddies. By the time worthy content is actually uploaded, no one will care anymore. Classic will be a ghost town. Stefan, pull the plug on classic.

Yeah, seriously. Master Li's has been there for so long, and now its replaced without a single after thought. Slowly but surely Storm and the rest of the uploaders are going to remake and remove every aspect of the server that made it classic. Where are you guys going to draw the line? You've cut the overworld apart, made it about 1/100th of its original size, mashed it back together, and now, instead of expanding, you're replacing what was left of the original.

Yeah, your right. Why the hell are you replacing them, and I wish that the big classic would of been accepted. Classic sucks now, its going to be a few years to get it back at a good state.

Btw, I think the races and heras should be back. The races were interesting and had a nice storyline to it, and the hera was a good thing since we had A LOT of quests to do. Just that they weren't smart enough to think of a NPC that tell you which quest you did and gotten a hera in or something like that.

Polo, post the link to the reason why the old levels shouldn't be added.

no man. NO!!!! Thats the server that started Graal, if you do it then you destroy Graal. Hell, I'll do anything to help it.

I talked to Storm and he said he would relocate the Baddy guild house, good news for us Classic fans I hope.

Stupid point. No one will let you.

Why are you complaining about the location of Baddy Guild house? Master Li's didn't have an inside before we put the castle up. It was simply a house with no inside.

But if you guys would rather have a house with no inside instead of a castle, suit yourself.

Screw you, you want to save the server, then you turn your back on it and say to pull the plug.

Whoever tiled that Baddy tribute to Hoss should be shot anyway. And I care because its a historic land mark.

Hoss already has a tribute... He has his own npcs in front of the house right of the bank.

You really got to wonder why they made that, its not like he did anything for Classic.

Yeah, was he the leader of Baddies or something?

I thought Clops was o_O?

I think Clops is the leader of the UN server, and Hoss is the leader of the Classic server.

Who HAS done anything for Classic lately? x_x

Hoss is Hoss and the NPC is entertaining. Just sit there awhile and watch as people walk up and talk to it thinking its Hoss. Yes, Classic players can be evil but if we can't torture poor little nooblets attempting to be Hoss's minion what point is there to life.

rofl haha i wanna see them think its hoss, but i think they removed it :(

NOOO! This can't be and yes, its gone. I want to know who's responsible for this random act of vandalism. He or she should be depixelated. It was a simple little NPC that disappeared when he was online. Hoss is as much a part of classic as Zols Pub! On behalf of Classic players we demand his pixelated likeness be returned to its proper seat.

Remember, everything fun must be destroyed. :rolleyes:

We will be victorious bell!

That we will, your pixelated self is being restored as I speak. Welcome back.

I can't believe they added something like that, I bet hoss suggested it.

I want to have a statue in a major hangout effectly ruining it a little bit, like hoss did. How can I obtain this?

:-( I just wish classic would expand... that is the point it was growing, but it has stopped in the recent years, which dissapoints me, because I loved the server, I would log on and would be surprised by a new quest, island, town, building, event, or anything, we need content added atleast weekly...


Edit: I added more to this in an edit but for some reason it didnt send. To sum up what I added. We need player content and offical content which looks polished and better. Also we need consistant additions to the server. I dont like coming on and seeing nothing new. And the new maze is f'kn ugly.

The Hoss npc is there for no other reason than to reserve "his" seat.
sounds like a good idea. I think I'll ask for one for myself too.

oh, and to Bell
Frankly, I removed that act of corruption, elitism, and useless npc.

What about...
the GoH guild house? Replaced by SuperNick's
RD town? Replaced by Onnet Town
Azrael's Love Shack? Replaced by the bank
Alien Spaceship? Replaced by the portal
Fuitad's Domain? Replaced by Graal Memorial Park

There are other important places that have been removed as well. The swamp is gone, the mines are gone, Midas Realm is gone, PACHUKA's town is gone...Master Li's was basically gone already, with no inside.

Quit crying about Baddies Castle. If it really bothers you THAT much, we can push Baddies Castle back a level into the cliffs, and restore the *outside* of Master Li's.

I cant believe people can get so worked up about such minor things. ^^

I didn't realize it was a FAQ's job to overwrite levels.

That is true, these were great things in there time, but I'll explain a few things to you. These things were replaced in the past, and have been changed for quite some time, and now, I doubt you'll find anyone who'll be happy to see them come back, as they were. I can't change the fact they were changed, but I can stop other land marks from being taken down. Classic is replacing a great deal of the old levels, and now we have to fight harder then ever to keep these landmarks. Master Li's isn't gone. Technically one could reupload the level.

As for some of the other locations you mentioned (Swamp town, Midas Realm, etc), most likely we'll see their return when they actually decide to expand Classic.

And one other thing, Storm told me he didn't approve of where Baddies guild house went, the other staff actually went behind his back and uploaded it.

He was removing something that shouldn't have been made in the first place.

I asked him if we could put Baddy Castle over Master Li's, and he just asked "is Baddies Castle finished yet?". He knew we were wanting to put it there, and didn't object to it when I asked. Speaking of staff doing things behind his back, did the FAQ Chief ask to remove Hoss's NPC? Thanks to like four people complaining, the Hoss NPC has been removed for good.

Fuitad's Domain was replaced with the server wipe, why aren't you complaining about that? Fuitad's Domain was an even bigger spot than Master Li's.

Its against the rules to quote history logs, so I'll sum up what happened between Storm and myself. I massed out something about Master Li's being removed, and Storm replied back saying he didn't approve where it was uploaded, and then I asked him to remove it, and he said he'd ask Hoss about moving it elsewhere.
Hoss NPC removed? Good. It was removed for a reason, and no, it wasn't because we complained, it was because it shouldn't have been made in the first place.
I did complain, but to no avail. Nobody else spoke out with me, so it seemed like I was the only person upset by Fuitad's removal.

I'm not talking about the time the FAQ Chief removed it.

Ibonic removed it because Storm said a couple people were complaining about it. Although the majority of Classic probably wanted it to stay, the few people that objected to it got their way.

I doubt that the majority wanted it to stay. I'd say the majority of Classic didn't even notice it was there, and had no opinion either way.

Sadly, it seems division admins like to do other division's jobs lately.

Lets have a vote on Classic then.

If we win, Hoss's NPC gets put back up. If not, it stays down.

Jesus! If i knew it would of become this big of a deal i wouldnt of wanted in the first place!
People thought it was funny how i was ALWAYS idling there and I'd have people come up to me all the time trying to talk to me not realizing that I was more than likely not there. I just thought it would be funny to have a permanent NPC there while i was offline for a while, god forbid people try to have fun on classic. Its not like I did it so that everyone could worship me...

What I didnt understand is how that FAQ guy took it down, i mean who is he to do that? It be one thing for Master storm to take it down, or anyone with the right authority to do so....but for someone who is using his power for reasons out of his job description? How isnt he punished!?

Anyways, i dont understand why people get worked up over such stupid things....I guess its because there isnt anything else for people like maxipad, who like to complain, to complain about, so they had to find SOMETHING.
I think what they dont realize is that by complaining about everything they are actually doing more harm than they are helping. Its just annoying....

The problem is the purpose the NPC served.

I had a few NPC weapons and their sole purpose was to have fun. One being the Tagger NPC. That was removed.

Any form of fun that can't be shared and is only there for a few is removed. Giving one person what they want is also sort of corrupt, but I won't really go into that.

And they say I need to relax. If everything is to be removed that can only be enjoyed by a few then I suggest we lump in password scripted npc rooms, tag based npc's, GC items that are so high priced that unless you can lag your way through an event you'll never have any hope of recieving them. Give me time, I'm sure I'll think of more things to be removed. Oh and while we're at it, lets remove departments, they really aren't all that necessary. No, I'm not complaining or whining in any way, just showing how far this could go if a select few decide to complain loud enough and long enough. The squeaky wheel gets the grease after all.

Looks that way to me.
And this is the exact reason why it was removed.