So if someone can prove the other party agreed to a lend, and staff have come to a conclusion, and someone submits the information right after, then the person will get there things back?

I don't get what your asking? If you are able to provide proof (snap shots, record the trade, chat logs provided by staff, etc..) that it was a lend staff will return the item.

Well, I know someone that has proof, and told staff they have proof, and the PR still decided that it was a regular old trade. So they are making a video proving that it was agreed upon as a lend between the two parties

Well when did it happen? often when people came to me saying they got scammed and staff did nothing the scam occured before it was illegal. If you have legit proof, definitly show it to the gp's and if it's legit they will act on it. Also, i think it depends on how long it took you to report it being stolen. If your friend gave the item to someone like 3 months ago, then there is no way to reverse ALL those trades. In this case the staff may or may not just take items/money from the scammer and refund you that way.

:rolleyes:

Era's sytems are a mess right now; such a thing would not be possible.
Not when the player is offline. The only solution is the remove on login, but like Sales said, that's messy and prone to break.

Even if it is not possible to return the item when someone logs off, something as simple as a check box where players agree that they are just borrowing would help out a lot. Reason being, if someone is scammed by letting someone borrow their items there is no way for the GP to decipher if they were actually borrowing items. With a borrow agreement check box the GP can go back and easily check if that was the case. Something like this would rid of all these lending scams.

If this is not possible to do or is seen as unnecessary than I do advise that any player involved in a lending trade run a video logger of any conversation you have with someone leading up to your trade and the trade itself.

I'm pretty sure they're also all in a SQL-DB. I hope it atleast

imo people should know the risk of lending their guns

As you well know, they aren't. It would be virtually impossible to adapt the current system to SQL, which was released months ago. On Dev, SQL is used to store items, however.

Hey, being a GP isn't so easy unless you have rules to follow for every case. This helps make decisions alot easier.

Dude all GPs did was:

"I'll talk to Squirt about it"

And all you've ever done is whine. Even?

Oh god, Pelikano.

making decisions as a GP is pretty much common sense. there's nothing hard about it if there were no guidelines to follow.

Well, not according to the people who made the current rules on Era. If you have no guideline, it will cause people to favor players they like though. So simple guidelines must be put in effect, no matter what.

Not really.

If you used common sense all of the time, you'd realize that as a select member of a team supposed to provide unbiased justice to the playerbase - favoring someone wouldn't be the right thing to do.

If you need a guideline telling you not to show favoritism to friends and people you want to get something from, you shouldn't be a GP in the first place.

Well, I still was confused with this situation that happend with McGyver, Danny Fiery, and Reckman. I won't go into details, but Reckman borrowed McGyver's P2k's that were supposed to be "Danny's", but Reckman also let McGyver borrow his ump. I don't know what happend furthermore, but McGyver got banned, and Reck said "It was a trade" since the logs showed it trading weapons.

Especially how rules say that if you can't wait for a GP, and you let the person borrow your item with no GP (PR) watching, its your fault unless you have proof that he scammed you. It is really easy give fake images. Anyone can edit images ad make them do things that didn't happen. I doubt anyone would take a video of the trade, since they either don't want to download anything, or it takes to long, etc.., and they scam the person. It is stupid.

Guys, this thread isn't about calling out our GPs.

The reason we need formal rules isn't as much a judgement decision on the GPs, but on the players. It's easier to deal with people who are angry about not being able to scam their items than it is to deal with the number of players who say "I WAS LETTING HIM BORROW MY GUN AND BLAHBLAHBLAH." This way, they just always have a GP watch, nobody complains, if someone is still too stupid then they have no excuse.

I've never been one for illegal scamming, but that's just the way it is right now. No need to twist around people's words and call them out over the forums.

Vin, you should propose that idea to Sales, maybe in a Era Community ticket thing.

Xen your not evevn close they were mcguvers reck asked to borrow it stole them prettty much and since the PR team is mentally disabled Squirt with his IQ of 9000 had to fix it so Mcgyver got his p2ks back and reck got an UMP no one got banned

McGyver got banned. Even Reck said so himself. But, I'll take your word on this.

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McGyver never got banned..McGyver didn't do anything wrong, Reck is the one who tried to scam someone

I'm actually surprised there are even rules regarding lending since most other games would leave the risk entirely to the player for lending items out instead of selling them

The reason is because Staff do not condone scamming. It's not needed and unethical. We enforce safety in whatever you do AS LONG AS A PR IS WATCHING! It's not hard to follow the rules.

Being a PR or whatever its called now, is the simplest job you can receive on the Staff Team. Without them monitoring lending trades, their job would be 80% easier =/. Then what will they do? They'd be a useless waste of space, so in case they haven't realized it yet, I hope they do now. The less you have to do, the less of a job you'll have, doesn't take long for people to realize, "all they do is answer questions now?! why not remove RC and FAQ?#@#?23!' And voula, you just lost your position.

So, stop whining.

Nah, they'd just cut back. PRs need to upload/do things with set attr (like for hack-related scams, or like house/car trades). You couldn't take their RC really. That's why there only used to be a couple GPs though, whereas now there's like 10 of them.

Like you said, they'd probably cut back 50-80(percent) of them. But that's just hypothetical, I don't think the policy on scamming is about to change haha.

I am sorry but a Pr needs to watch to be safe but they don't like for you to lend for longer then around 10 minutes. I normally just talk to squirt or Erik because I get told to go to squirt by others, or if I ask Erik he will ask someone else if he needs help on some Parnell of it. Needless to say I don't lend guns anymore and the only people who have access to my storage are ones who have no reason to steal my items or don't like the guns I leave in there. I don't wish to lose my pbp again

i never saw why people hated scamming...it helps makes everyone stronger and betters people as players

People hate scamming well for one theyve been scammerd, and two the scammer hasnt earned that item which the other person worked hard for.

I don't see what scamming has to do with lending.

If you're not sure if you can trust someone you probably shouldn't let them borrow it. Like I said, no other game I am aware of would go through such trouble, and if this is how it's going to work you might as well just develop a lending system rather than have it individually monitored

It would allow for the PR team to be cut down to almost nothing so of course they won't go for a system

You make it sound like there is so many PRs in the first place. I only like limited spots and compared to other servers our team is small. For example, Zodiac has around 11 PRs and we only have like 7. Also, we usually have way more players than Zodiac.

if my staff team consisted of 7 PRs HoudiniMan would of had my balls, lol.

I don't think it would hurt to have a few more, to be honest.

It's 7 PRs including me. In actuality that number is pretty low compared to the player count of Era.

If anyone is interested in knowing what that count is, in the last 2 weeks:

2084 unique accounts have logged on
815 of those have more than 100 hours
977 were trials


We've also had ~300 support tickets to deal with since its release (~2 weeks).

Id have to agree on a few more PRs.
Sometimes when something is needed like a hacker, and no pr is on they just get to hack for free. This is just an example there are other things too.

the player who was scammed becomes a better player from this experience in realizing his mistake. the scammer gets the loot. everyone wins and there is no need for a team of bafoons to moderate trading.

so september 11 should be a good thing because terrorists made their point and people who lost friends and family will learn how precious life is? God your a ****ing *****

Only about 3 of the current PRs (not including squirt) are ever on (not naming anyone). I'd improve quality before quantity personally. If you're afraid of firing them and leaving the server underrepresented, then I'd hire 4 new ones, let them train, and then fire 2-4 of the old ones. Just my opinion though.

Edit: And Zeus...maybe a LITTLE extreme on your interpretation?

My example was way over the top but okay lets bring it down a bit. You save up all your money for years and you are finally getting your first car. You go to the dealership and you give him the money before you drive off with the car. Well the dealer takes your money and says you never gave them anything. So your left with no car or money, and they got your money. So by Geno's belief its a win win because the dealership got free money and the person learned a lesson in trusting people....