Stefan..

I don't think I've ever made another customer feel "unhappy" ..other then MC_ GUNNER, but he deserved it - he was a hacker!

you are so misguided man...

the problem we all have are within the rules themselves and to the extent they are moderated, its not so hard to see really. how many customers have you really lost by players harassing others COMPARED to the amount that quit because of the hardline moderation here?

i think i'll stop there, i've said enough.

Yes, harassment would not be allowed.
But closing threads on account of 'moderator digression' or because of homosexuality? Or mods changing the rules at will?
Mods have too much power, and clearly, people are unhappy

Words like "gay" or "*****" just don't fit in normal discussions. They are accepted by a lot of people to say that they don't like the other person, but that doesn't make it ok to use them in an international discussion forum of an online game.

Censor evasion, you are evading your own rules! :rolleyes:

Spam? Post something constructive, posts like that often stop interesting discussions.

Good luck explaining, or trying to. It is a waste of time. I have done it way too many times, and unless I change what I do, then I am accused of ignoring. I can have a 2 day discussion with someone in a support ticket, or forum PM, but if they don't get their way, I am ignoring them. That is why I don't even bother anymore with these threads. All I do is keep repeating myself, and then get accused of ignoring them because I don't give in.
It does not matter that these rules are from Unixmad. I am suppose to slack off. I am done arguing, or trying to explain. It isn't me ignoring the members, it is the members ignoring me, you, Unixmad, and the rules.

Now I think you should look up what 'blatant annoyance' means.

And since you take part in so many of these "interesting" discussions, you would know that? :/

Go read googi's thread, through and through, and you will understand what we are trying to get through your head.

He's not really using it to insult someone, so much as to make an example. I don't see why there's anything wrong with it. You guys are just being asses x-x

Could you stop mentioning homosexuality in every post you make?
Even the members of the other forum disagree with you.

If I did it right now i'd get an i-word and probably banned on sight. Double standards suck. :frown:

Also I must say, I'm glad this thread is not locked yet...it shows some positive progress on these forums already.

It was more-so a joke really.

Yes, you would - but just like Stefan, or Darlene you are only human. And as such, the moderators have noticed you've gone out of your way in the past to be annoying/troublesome. Why would they think any different now? Luff <3

The posts i see deleted arent relevant to the thread at all. And yet people complain about them. I do this sometimes and i accept that they are deleted because it had nothing to do with the topics purpose. But i can admit some threads were unnecessarily closed.

Who decides this? And where does it end? First it's *** and *****, then it's homosexual and silly head, then flamboyant and dum-dum... ffs, people will ALWAYS find ways to insult one another, it just HAPPENS. There is no way that you can justify removing everyone's fun just because of what some people take to heart, and what some people abuse. If you want to do so, then you'll have to deal with situations in which people feel the need to refuse your logic and suggest their own.

Stefan + unixmad.

Yes, people will always insult one another - and I think they recognize this. They're not saying "Don't insult other people" so much as they're saying "Don't insult other users aggressively, and for the love of God don't bring sexuality, race, or religion into it -_-".

Also, on a side note - it's not gone so far as to block out "poop-face" yet, you poop-face. I don't see the problem there,

How does this relate to the double standard present at all? i luv u zero <3 kekeke im not homosexual though watch out O_O olol wut if no 1 ces dis

You have to remember this is moderated by humans, is all. You think if you moderated a place you wouldn't run into any complications? x_x

Now you are just trying to add fuel to the fire and if no one else will say it I will, this isnt helping any, you are just trying to make things seem worse then they are and make us look bad.

There is a whole lot of positive discussion on the topic, but instead of listening to it we often run into these things.

"Learn to discuss first" Okay we did, so we try
"No use the support center instead" okay fair enough
"Sorry we wont do/change or even consider fixing anything" okay well ill try posting something and seeing who agrees.
"Sorry use the support center" uh, well okay.
"Sorry we arent going to do anything, or we are going to close your ticket without good reason" okay...
"No dont post in public forum, use the support center or PM" ...

I wonder if anyone else can see what im getting at here.

Also a lot of people with a very positive outlook on this are often just blantantly ignored because you like grouping all the users togather.

You're arguement is pointless. The stuff you posted had a right to be deleted.

Why do you have to hide your statements like that anyway? I know what you're saying now but you could have been more clear about it. So what if humans are naturally biased, does that make it right for Stefan to be able to get away with it?

If I evaded the swear filter for a proper cause, do you think Sam would cut me some slack? Hell no he hates me, i'd be banned on the spot man! Anyways, enough of this...it's my first post in this thread that is supposed to shine. xD

If they are saying that, then why is the former being enforced?

u r 1

It's not double standard, it is the art of discussion. To explain a forum rule related to words which are not allowed on the forum, I must display the words so that people can understand it. Your way of making fun of it is just out of place and shows your ignorance, although I guess for you it's more about fun than about being disrespectful, the result is the same though.

Whatcha mean?

Yea, but as I said before - you've got a history of being a smart-ass. Besides, Sam isn't exactly the most friendly care-bear.
nour :p
That's a pretty excellent point.

Your former actions on the forums give people a reason not to cut you slack. Sorry, but it is true Crono. x_x

Again, you guys have two choices:

1. live with the rules
2. leave

If enough people left, then maybe they would change the way things are run here. Maybe they wouldn't. Even still, you're not going to get to stay here PLUS have the rules changed the way you want them. Just accept that already. This has been run into the ground.

The point is that if i did what you did, with the same positive intent, would I get away with it? No. I wouldn't. That's all I'm saying, this is nothing to do with ignorance or respect, but rather just a simple point I felt I needed to share.

What have I done? Really, It's not like I joined some Anti-Graal group and want to see Graal dead. Tell me what I've done, im serious.

As an administrator, Stefan was discussing a rule having to do with certain words, and as an Administrator, he showed those words so the point would be clear.

So just flat out tell me, if I did the exact same thing Stefan just did with the same outright positive intentions, would I have been punished for it? Yes and no please.

I agree :P

Option 3: Organize everyone to submit tickets and send emails to Unixmad and Stefan, since we cannot discuss it here. Stop being ignorant of the issue.

My example of double standard from my experience.

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...2&page=8&pp=15

Notice the post made by Sam was deleted with the reason "not needful" as it was deleted by Sam himself.

Now refer to

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...&postcount=122

Which is my post which has completely been deleted and I was banned. One being an insult towards me and the other with me responding to his insult. Why was I the only one punished when I didn't even instigate the insulting?

I even submitted tickets.

That's all I have to say.

Why do you alienate yourself from the rest of us Moonie? You yourself are a Graal player the same as I am. The only difference is you have power on these forums that I don't. You take that power too seriously, though and make this place very uptight and uncomfortable. Thank you, for completely defeating the purpose of a forum, by stomping out free discussion. In my thread I said, "In all likelihood this thread will be deleted or closed, and it will only go to further the point of the communities members.", or something along that line. Why so predictable?

He's making a fair point Excal. What he's saying is things won't change - and if they ever do change it will only be out of necessity - which will never happen unless the forums = deserted. Which will also never happen.

That's already been suggested by the forum staff. People don't agree with how it's being done. Forum staff think it's fine. They've got the final word. End of discussion.

There's no need to tell me I'm ignorant.

You can get punished for discussing something where I already made clear that it is SPAM. Stop being ignorant, if you don't want to read the answer then don't say the question.

So it's all about my lack of politeness? Tell me when anyone has been polite to me on this game/forums.

Also, I argue when I see an unjust punishment. I accept some infractions, just ask Sam. But others that are just absurd I have to argue.

Uh fine.

And you speak of politeness? This is nothing to do with ignorance, but fine. It seems we can't discuss this anymore.

I guess you don't get that administrators of a forum have certain priviledges in order to do their job that members do not have? The answer is more than likely yes, because you would have no reason to in open forum. This thread is against the rules to begin with, and is only here because Stefan is actively posting in it in an effort to try and talk to you members. He is an administrator after all.