Anyway, Moongod whatever you call yourself... I was not the one talking about the strictness of the forum, or the rules or anything like that.
You missed the boat. Go directly to Jail, do not pass GO, do not collect 1 bagillion dollars. :cool:

Anyway, mabey something can be worked out. Like punishing the abusers, instead of the thread maker and users who want to communicate.

IF NOT, take out the rules so we can remake past topics if they get out of hand. However, if past repeats itself, the thread is closed, moved and forgotten about.

I see it the other way: More super mods means each one has less total work, meaning they dont have to take the shortcuts like just closing a thread because they're too overwhelmed by the amount of threads that nead to be moderated. Not saying that really happens, just giving an example

Since I am not a Mod here and concentrate my efforts to Playerworld concerns and not these Forums, I guess this leaves me out. Funny you complain on the Forums about some playerworld concerns and yet I haven't seen any email from you with any complaint..:whatever:

You have been on these Forums for the same amount of time I have and I haven't changed my nick in that amount of time so yes Moon God or Charlie will be fine to use..;)

No. It's because Angel sucked in the first place, and he needed 2 more people in order to equal the quality that he got from Kaimetsu. He could of got the same from Kamuii alone, plus noone would complain.

You hit the nail on the head.

Back again!

Don't worry, kids. I'll stop posting when the outrage over inept mods has calmed down a little.

The argument here isn't about the quantity of enforcement, it's about the methods. You may happen to think with your tiny brain that I never did any work (largely, I suppose, because I deleted the bad stuff instead of indiscriminately closing everything), but that isn't even the issue here.

The issue is this: The new moderators are taking the lazy options - closing or trashing entire threads in order to deal with a few flames. Of course, they won't admit to themselves that laziness is the root - people like that never do. No doubt they have a little arsenal of weak, spurious justifications, built to convince themselves that they're fantastic supermods and their detractors are just jealous!!! Indeed, we've seen a couple of them already. Let's take a look.

The thread serves no purpose anymore!

How nice. However, there is no rule stating that purposeless threads are illegal. You are not the purpose police; your role centres solely around the removal of illegal material. There is absolutely no reason to close a thread simply because its original purpose has been fulfilled.

The thread went off-topic!

There is no rule outlawing off-topic posting. Sometimes the mod feels that off-topic posts choke the original thread, stopping it from progressing. That's fair enough, but what kind of stupidity would conclude that closing the thread is a decent solution. Hello? That's like cutting off a man's leg in an attempt to cure his ingrowing toenails! Split the thread.

The thread turned into a flamewar!

No it didn't. It played host to a flamewar. The earlier posts are fine, you can just cut off the bad stuff. Oh, you're too lazy? Well, I guess you should close it then.

They'll just start flaming again!

Then punish them, you sop.

Did'ya notice that Moon Goddess recently posted some rules? Have you read them? Lemme paste in a little quote here:

Key word: Deemed. It doesn't explicitly define the range of acceptability. The entire rule is a grey area, because it's entirely dependent on personal moderator judgement. Spark and 'Moonie' cling firmly to the rules when attempting to justify their actions, but if they had actually read their precious document then they'd see that there is nothing outlawing flaming. Our misguided mods are simply arbitrating on a grey area, regardless of whether or not they want to admit it.

And favoritism? I'm not even going to bother. You've been spouting your spiteful propaganda for too long, and never once given any evidence to back it up. Nobody listens anymore.

No. If you break a rule, everybody else pays. Thread closure affects every user, not just the offenders.

Because, as soon as somebody complains, you demonise them. Complaining is a sin unto the Moon Deities, remember?

Except if you were happily posting in a thread before some fool decided to close it.

Huzzah!

Praise Kai for always bringing things back in check.

Its good to see Kais quality sense posting again, even if it will be for just a short time :\

Firstoff.

Angel doesn't "suck". She does much more than you ever will do. I remember when UN had a server problem when I worked there. She actually took the time to code a program to try and fix it. She is a nice person, and while she may not have a great quantity of time to devote to moderating the forums, I would under no circumstances say she "sucks". In my experience she tries to give things her best, and nobody should demean that quality.

Secondly, I don't why you all idolize Kamuii so much. When I have observed him he has most of the time appeared impatient and spiteful to people who break the rules, to certain people in particular.

Kai's beautiful post brought a tear to my eye.

Sorry for the double post, but I didn't feel like editing.

Just because she helps you on UN doesn't justify her not being able to do a good supermod. We have seen the job she has done so far, and maybe this is just my oppinion, but I would say that she "sucks".

He is a smart, nice guy, who does a good job at what he does. When you have observed him, you have been on the opposite side of an arguement and such of him. Think of it this way. While in war, you are going to hate and despise your enemy, while think highly of yourself and allies. Even if you say you weren't on opposite sides with him, either you were and don't want to admit it, or didn't even know it. I haven't seen kamuii say anything bad unless it was the abrupt truth.

So wait...I'm supposed to shower rulebreakers with love and give them hugs and kisses? Sure thing, man. Peace, Love, Unity and Respect! GO PLUR!


We've been over this. Do you have to keep bringing it up?

This has nothing to do with arguments, this has to do with how he treats other people. Half of the time it's not even in an argument thread.




YES!

You show everyone RESPECT.

IDEALLY, EVERYONE DOES THIS!

That is how people get along, by showing respect. You can't act like a complete ass to people, even if they do break rules. It's not becoming of a moderator, and I certainly wouldn't support any person with such behavior.

As I have said, he merely tells the truth how it is. If its bad, then its bad. Else, I haven't seem him do anything bad to anyone. And trust me, me and Kamuii have quite a colorful history.

Telling it "how it is" doesn't give you the right to act like a jerk. People have been banned for "telling it how it is".

:cool: I'm glad you think so highly of me to think that I'm such a jerk outside of "argument" threads.

Thanks for saying it for me. :) I'm glad you understand this fact.

Sadly, a lot of people don't. Stop being idealistic, it won't get you anywhere.

I think your perception of "acting like a complete ass" is somewhat skewed, dawg.

You're totally correct, it doesn't. It does, on the other hand, give you the right to tell the truth. ^_^ And if someone thinks you're a jerk for telling the truth, then oh well. (ps: reality sucks.)

Names pls.

Bingo! *Gives cookie* :)

Hi Kai, nice to see you again....

Alot of people aren't moderators, too. You are supposed to be the exception.
Flaming is generally being ass-like.

If someones asks a question they don't want an answer to, they should expect an answer that they don't want to hear. If someone asks "Does my image look good" and it sucks, expect to hear "No, it sucks".

Just like your employer is supposed to be the exception. I am not obligated by my job as moderator to show respect; I am obligated by my conscience to show respect. And in instances such as these, like on this and the other message boards I moderate, have moderated, and have administrated, I show respect only where it is due and when it is given in return. Perhaps you are unaware of the phrase "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you."?

Good thing I don't flame often, then, isn't it?

Don't you get it? You are supposed to discourage these activities, not take part in them.
Since you are a fan of honesty, the fact that you flame at all makes you unfit to moderate.

Don't you get it? I am not supposed to do anything except follow, obey, and enforce the rules of this message board. If there is a rule that says "All Moderators will and must show respect and be exceedingly nice to all users of the message board." then, by golly, I'll show respect and be exceedingly nice to all users. Until then, I'll do my job the way I'm supposed to do it without you telling me how to do it for me.

I'm sure it does. And you would be a better candidate, I'm sure? Please, you're being so idealistic it hurts.

This falls under the "common decency" department.
I know I'd do a better job than you, but I'd say alot of people would do a better job than me.

Ugh, too much asskissing and fighting.

He started it, precious. :( Nasty old hobbitses always fighting with us, yes... :(

LOL. :p

I am going to ask that you stop with your pointless additions please! I want a better community and this is the only way to voice my concern, along with some of yours. Don't ruin this, or i'll have to ask a moderator to delete the posts that are flaming eachother. This is not a flame war! -_-

Please mods, do not close this, just do what is expected of you and delete some of the flaming posts... Then warn the abusers.

Also, Kai, although we do not get along and sometimes see eye-to-eye, I think we do on this, eh? Thanks for the support.

Master looks after us now, good smeagol will show us the way.

Zell, whether you believe it or not, we want the same things....a better community.
I am not un-familiar with being a supermod of a board, but each board is different, and some things any mod will learn as they go about the community.
Myself, Spark, and Angel all have the same goal, to make a better community as you say.
Everyone will never agree on everything, and we are just settling into the job, we will make mistakes, and hopefully learn from them.
Members of the boards flaming us as we just begin does not help our efforts to make a better community (not particularly directing this at you).
We are not lazy, if threads were closed, it is because the mod who closed it believed it to be the right decision, I realized one that I closed and moved to the trashcan should have been done differently, it should have been pruned and left there, eh, I made a mistake, and I will learn from it.
Does noone else make mistakes?
I still believe that if a thread was created to ask a question, and someone answers the question...then the thread turns into a spam, or argement thread that the thread should be closed as it has fulfilled its purpose.
If the thread, however is still useful open, then it can be pruned to keep out spam, flames, and what have you.

Kai, I really dont care what you think of me, my purpose here is exactly why Unixmad hired me....to make a better community here on the forums.
I dont claim to be perfect, nor have I ever claimed it...I will make mistakes

That means nothing if your views of a better community are different, as well as your ways of going about making those views come to life... An extreme example... Adolf Hitler thought the "community"(ie the world) would be better without Jewish people living in it... He also figured that genocide was the best way to improve the world.

I want a better world to live in as well... Doesn't mean I think genocide is the right way to make changes for the better... Nor do I think "better" means eliminated a whole group of people.

Sense making does this please? Yes? Night.

And how long have you been posting here? How often have you criticised the actions of other moderators (especially myself), arguing that you would've handled it better? You can't play the inexperience card when you have such a long history of analysing moderation issues.

Indeed? You seem to have defined two unequivalent goals for yourself: Improvement of the community and enforcement of the rules. Which takes precedence, I wonder? Sometimes they will not both point to the same action. This is what I mean when I talk about the tough decisions that a supermod must make.

Then he/she should never have been appointed. There are very few circumstances where closing a thread is the best option. So far you haven't presented any counter-arguments, which suggests that you know you're wrong, and are only disagreeing so you can continue with your lazy attitude.

Believe me, I understand. There were times when I wanted to take the easy way out - years of moderation tend to eat away at enthusiasm, after all - but you people are new recruits! You've been supermods for, what, a week? And already you're descending into laziness?

Have you reversed the mistake, or are you too lazy for that too?

Yes, it has. So what? So the users don't have the right to post there anymore? Why not? Where does it say that in the rules?

The specifics of your purpose are irrelevant. The topic of discussion is your ability to meet that purpose.

Uh oh kids, better watch out what you say, Kaimetsu is back and he's the type that pays attention to everything you say so he can use it against you. No offense intended.

Yea I love our mods.

I had a post deleted because I used the word rape. I would understand if it was in bad taste but it wasn't.

In the thread called "My Sig" I was answering the question in which I thought the sig meant. It showed a black and white photo of a little girl playing piano and it said something like how she loves but it hurts to remember.. it was more but I can't remember it. Anyways I posted what I thought it meant like the thread started asked for us to do. I put:


"Maybe the girl was raped or beaten by her father who is dead and she still loves him but her memory still hurts her."

And I got it deleted because it said rape.. I confronted Angel asking who deleted it and she said she did not know but it was good they did because 13 year old kids shouldn't be reading that. It would be different if I made fun of rape but I did not.. I was being serious in my post. I believe there are COPPA rules when signing up for these forums. If they're that young they would have gotten permission by their parents.

I wouldn't make such a big deal but it pisses me off that they deleted it when infact there was nothing wrong with my statement.

I asked Angel if rape was so bad to say why not censor it on the forums and she said "Because we don't want to censor it" so I'm completely lost.. so for Angel and the rest of the mods I am helping you out.

Here is all the threads that contain the word rape. Please go through and delete every post.

http://forums.graal2001.com/forums/s...der=descending

Hey, while they're at that, they may as well delete all words that are bound to offend some, and that parents may not want their children reading about.

I can think of plenty; and any sortof censorship does not save someone from that nasty word. They will encounter it again in life - for sure. Censorship barely benifits anyone, except for the people who get thrills from constricting things further, and censoring anything that they can.


When the forums first opened, swearing was allowed. Hell, I've seen screenshots even posted on these forums of Stefan swearing, etc. Did these forums collapse into a great amount of flames and anarchy, with all that free talk? No. They ran fine, and were often enjoyed more.

Okay well Moonie, this thread isn't about flaming any of you. We just want ALL the moderators, not just you, spark or angel, to start being more professional about this JOB and not being lazy.

Yes you all make mistakes, but that doesn't cut it as an excuse to keep doing it. If you make a mistake, correct yourself and undo what you done. However, it is kind of hard to do that when you delete everything in sight, eh? So think before you guys do something please. x.x

Thats it for me, Kai seems to know what he is doing.

I appreciate seeing Kaimetsu's logic in a forums era generally devoid of it.

Thank you.

Hmm, I never saw that, and have no idea who deleted it. You didnt get a warning?

As for the rest of the posts, I see nothing worth replying to, as most isnt even true. :\

Cop outs are fun aren't they? Back to your old tricks again I see.

No, she's right. People are just trying to witchhunt now.