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Chakrah 04-17-2010 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by cbk1994 (Post 1569681)
This. There are people forced to use dialup or satellite internet because of their location (satellite is preferable because of speeds, but both have very high latency).

With that being said, as everyone understands that satellite does in fact have bad latency.

Also,

There is no way to fix this, or stop it, it's just going to lag.
It would not be far to ban, or kick people from stuff just because they can't control it.

If people are sparring with lag, and doing events with lag, it's not abuse.
It's them trying to play like everyone else.

Crono 04-17-2010 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Chakrah (Post 1569660)
It really would not be that fair to everyone who has spent money just to be blacklisted and kick from events, spars, etc;
That would almost be like buying a game, and then not being able to save.

It's not fair to have someone of your lag-magnitude take part in competitive events. The normal sparring I can (barely) tolerate, but tournies and other important events need to filter out incredibly laggy people because a lot of folks are abusing it. I have nothing personal against people who are genuinely very laggy, however there comes a point where it is ruining people's events and sparring.

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Originally Posted by WaDaFack (Post 1569665)
I disagree.
How would it feel if you had a 56k connection and not be able to participate in ANYTHING?
I mean, wtf would be the point of even playing if you don't get the chance to spar, play events, etc.?

It's not about "LOL UR SO MEAN" it's about being fair to the majority of "competitive" players. Lag is in essence ruining the gaming experience of the majority when it comes to spar tournies and whatnot. Catering to the majority > catering to the very select few who actually have connections issues and others who lag themselves on purpose.

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Originally Posted by cbk1994 (Post 1569681)
This. There are people forced to use dialup or satellite internet because of their location (satellite is preferable because of speeds, but both have very high latency).

Not sure how accurate that is. The average ping right now on Era is 120 MS. It's usually slightly lower, but anything under 200 or so should be fine. A fifth of a second is hardly crippling.

And? I'm not against 300ms, it's hard to summarize someone's lag based soley on their latency. It's more of a subjective thing. If there's a player skipping around an entire spar ring and becomming very difficult to hit, it's not fair for the other players to have to put up with this. Simply put, it's the problem of the laggy user.

Luda 04-17-2010 12:07 AM

56K is extremely uncommon so why should something that is rarely seen have priority? Majority of players are on cable, I'd rather see a majority of players pleased over one or two.

P.S. I don't think I've seen anybody with 56K since like 2004? (Minus Nightmareangel who upgraded to cable in 07-08)

Rufus 04-17-2010 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Luda (Post 1569685)
56K is extremely uncommon so why should something that is rarely seen have priority? Majority of players are on cable, I'd rather see a majority of players pleased over one or two.

P.S. I don't think I've seen anybody with 56K since like 2004? (Minus Nightmareangel who upgraded to cable in 07-08)

lol

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Door 04-17-2010 12:16 AM

I have already made my views quite clear to Backdraft regarding this topic (who shot me down after attempting to give me a pretty masterful political run-around). Winning events with the aid of lag--whether intentional lag or not--is cheating. Yes, cheating. That's all there is to it. How can it be considered any different from using a trainer? If I logged into a friend's computer and played Graal not knowing that a trainer was being applied, should I be allowed to continue doing this? It's not my fault!! I can't help if I'm winning every event due to an unfair advantage! I shouldn't be held responsible for the fact that every single person I spar is left in the dust even though they are much more skilled at sparring than I am!

I don't see a difference between that and 'unintentional' lag.
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Originally Posted by Chakrah (Post 1569683)
With that being said, as everyone understands that satellite does in fact have bad latency.

Also,

There is no way to fix this, or stop it, it's just going to lag.
It would not be far to ban, or kick people from stuff just because they can't control it.

If people are sparring with lag, and doing events with lag, it's not abuse.
It's them trying to play like everyone else.

For some people, the 'only Internet that they can get' provides an unfair advantage and bragging rights. Chakrah, you love playing the martyr act, but it's very clear that you take advantage of your connection and know that it's a huge asset. Nice gloat-video, pal.


WaDaFack 04-17-2010 12:16 AM

Well, if someone lags, there lag also effects them; everyone lags to him to.

I mean, look at this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdDO07SYBQ0

Chakrah 04-17-2010 12:24 AM

Damn i look good in my movie

Crono 04-17-2010 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by WaDaFack (Post 1569693)
Well, if someone lags, there lag also effects them; everyone lags to him to.

Not the point. Also Blobz clearly has the advantage there because viewing it from the other guy's screen would show Blobz massively skipping everywhere.

Chakrah 04-17-2010 12:28 AM

You think they would've fixed this problem a long time ago if it's such a big deal.

Oh wait, they still haven't so.
It must not be, so stop whining. QQ

Crono 04-17-2010 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chakrah (Post 1569697)
You think they would've fixed this problem a long time ago if it's such a big deal.

Oh wait, they still haven't so.
It must not be, so stop whining. QQ

lol gg.

WaDaFack 04-17-2010 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chakrah (Post 1569697)
You think they would've fixed this problem a long time ago if it's such a big deal.

Oh wait, they still haven't so.
It must not be, so stop whining. QQ

Agreeeeeeeeeeed!

tempandrew 04-17-2010 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Door (Post 1569692)
I have already made my views quite clear to Backdraft regarding this topic (who shot me down after attempting to give me a pretty masterful political run-around). Winning events with the aid of lag--whether intentional lag or not--is cheating. Yes, cheating. That's all there is to it. How can it be considered any different from using a trainer? If I logged into a friend's computer and played Graal not knowing that a trainer was being applied, should I be allowed to continue doing this? It's not my fault!! I can't help if I'm winning every event due to an unfair advantage! I shouldn't be held responsible for the fact that every single person I spar is left in the dust even though they are much more skilled at sparring than I am!

I don't see a difference between that and 'unintentional' lag.

For some people, the 'only Internet that they can get' provides an unfair advantage and bragging rights. Chakrah, you love playing the martyr act, but it's very clear that you take advantage of your connection and know that it's a huge asset. Nice gloat-video, pal.



This is probably the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time.

One day, if your internet is not doing good, go in a spar or event and try to win. It's really hard. Working with lag is an actual skill, you need a high amount of talent to be able to get it to work for you. Having wireless, my internet likes to spike up sometimes and start screwing around, to the point where I'll have Chakrah-like lag. I've tried sparring under these conditions and I was being wooped EVERY time. It's not cheating, because it doesn't give you an edge, it just gives you a different set of conditions to play under.

WaDaFack 04-17-2010 12:40 AM

Why don't players like Ares, Brett, or any of the high ranked sparrers complain?
Is it because they actually know how to face a player with lag?

Chakrah 04-17-2010 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WaDaFack (Post 1569708)
Why don't players like Ares, Brett, or any of the high ranked sparrers complain?
Is it because they actually know how to face a player with lag?

Exactly.

This goes back to where I said "STOP WHINING"

getting butthurt over losing to me in a spar isn't anything.

maximus_asinus 04-17-2010 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Door (Post 1569692)
If I logged into a friend's computer and played Graal not knowing that a trainer was being applied, should I be allowed to continue doing this? It's not my fault!!

In most cases a player does not have control over their connection type (whether they cannot afford a new connection, there is no upgraded connection in their area, or they are not of age and play off their parent's connection). Trying to compare these two groups of people (trainer users, and laggers) is like trying to compare apples to oranges. Granted there are probably people out there who lag intentionally, but I don't see why the truly unintentional laggers have to be punished for the acts of a few people.


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