Graal Community

[Rave_J]

so i decide to ask i know people say in the past to let iphone players get on pc ect but i got a suggestion
y not make a iphone classic tab
or since there's 2 iphone servers at the moment
why not due what graal did in the past put gold coins beside it and pay to play just that server ?

I'm pretty sure if this doesn't happen PC graal will be dead due the community is getting smaller and smaller

[fowlplay4]

No, the PC community is mostly poison.

If you want to play then go on Facebook.

Also Zodiac hit 100 the other day, I'd say we're sustaining.

[ffcmike]

The PC Graal community isn't really getting smaller anymore though, sure it's still fairly stagnant and being neglected, but player intake (pre-dominantly iPhone refugees, despite the overpriced subscription policy) is at the least matching the number of player loss, so it's at something of an equilibrium. If anything the numbers could get higher given some care.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

No, the PC community is mostly poison.

I disagree, considering a lot of the PC players that want to play iClassic already do. If anything they made sparring more competitive and iSparrers take sparring more seriously now.

Originally Posted by fowlplay

If you want to play then go on Facebook.

tbh the end goal should really be to open access to the server we call iClassic through multiple platforms (real graal, iDevices, android, etc).

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by Crono

tbh the end goal should really be to open access to the server we call iClassic through multiple platforms (real graal, iDevices, android, etc).

Haven't we asked for cross-platform access for a while now?

[ffcmike]

Originally Posted by Crono

tbh the end goal should really be to open access to the server we call iClassic through multiple platforms (real graal, iDevices, android, etc).

A problem with this would be that all of the PC servers would end up at a severe disadvantage, unless ofcourse the subscription policy for PC Graal was improved to be more similar to iPhone's, or iClassic was of sufficient quality to attract a substantial amount of legit new players on the PC platform (which is unlikely at this time), which could then through migration be of benefit to the other servers.
An improved subscription policy however would increase the likelihood of PC Classic eventually flourishing, which does utilise the advantages of the PC platform to offer higher quality gameplay.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by ffcmike

A problem with this would be that all of the PC servers would end up at a severe disadvantage

Uh, what? Why?

The point is so that iPlayers can play the server on their PC's/Macs comfortably without facebook so that our community isn't fragmented. It's a long term goal that assumes this stupid subscription garbage is figured out.

[Hiro]

iPhone and fbGraal are for losers.

I still can't believe such bullshit exists.

[ffcmike]

Originally Posted by Crono

Uh, what? Why?

The point is so that iPlayers can play the server on their PC's/Macs comfortably without facebook so that our community isn't fragmented.

In defragmenting that one particular community, the much greater set of external circumstances that apply to it could potentially starve the multiple smaller communities on PC Graal, which are still enduring a poorer set of external circumstances.
The ideal direction would be to allow all communities to flourish, that way Graal still makes its profit and none of the players lose out. It's also still arguable that greater PC access could have a negative effect on iPhone, as the bulk of its playerbase would then also be at a technical disadvantage.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by ffcmike

the much greater set of external circumstances that apply to it could potentially starve the multiple smaller communities on PC Graal, which are still enduring a poorer set of external circumstances.

Except it wont because all these servers will be under one roof. If someone doesnt want to play what we now call iClassic or iEra then they will simply play another server.

There aren't many on PC Graal that want to play those servers, which is why they continue to exclusively play PC Graal. There are a lot of iPlayers that want to explore PC Graal but they can't because of the restrictive system.

Originally Posted by Thor

It's also still arguable that greater PC access could have a negative effect on iPhone, as the bulk of its playerbase would then also be at a technical disadvantage.

An even larger bulk of it's playerbase is apparently at a technical disadvantage today so how does more iPlayers playing on PC put a greater bulk of its playerbase at a technical disadvantage (as I assume you're implying)?

Greater PC access arguably evens the playerbase more. When v6 eventually does get released a lot of them will be able to comfortably hop on Graal on their computers. The biggest problem for a lot of them outside of the poor subscription system is (and I'm assuming this but it sounds reasonable) poor performance/support on their Macs and laptops. Playing on their portable devices (android, iDevices) wherever they want and the option to hop on normal Graal for the optimum experience. Sounds good to me.

[ffcmike]

Originally Posted by Crono

Except it wont because all these servers will be under one roof. If someone doesnt want to play what we now call iClassic or iEra then they will simply play another server.

That's not at all certain though, the numbers of those who choose not to play the iServers could be insignificant compared to the numbers such an option could result in PC servers losing upfront, plus the long term effect of legit new players naturally trying whichever server has the highest playercount first.
Even if the restrictive subscriptions on PC Graal were to be resolved there'd still be a fairly big gulf between the external circumstances.

Originally Posted by Crono

An even larger bulk of it's playerbase is apparently at a technical disadvantage today so how does more iPlayers playing on PC put a greater bulk of its playerbase at a technical disadvantage (as I assume you're implying)?

There seems to be a lot of complaining among iPhone players regarding their technical disadvantage sparring against those using the Facebook client, which while it offers the advantage of side straithing, doesn't run as smoothly as the PC client, and so could well be more of a problem.

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by ffcmike

the advantage of side straithing

You do realize that without side strafing you can't even compete at higher levels of sparring right?

You will almost never be able to land side hits or blink well enough. Same problem happens on certain keyboards, usually IBM ones.

[ffcmike]

Originally Posted by Hiro

You do realize that without side strafing you can't even compete at higher levels of sparring right?

That's what I implied.

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by ffcmike

That's what I implied.

That seems to be the biggest reason why iPhone should just stay the **** away from PC Graal.

Discussing iPhone/fbGraal always makes me feel like PC Graal has just been swept under the rug.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by ffcmike

That's not at all certain though, the numbers of those who choose not to play the iServers could be insignificant compared to the numbers such an option could result in PC servers losing upfront, plus the long term effect of legit new players naturally trying whichever server has the highest playercount first.
Even if the restrictive subscriptions on PC Graal were to be resolved there'd still be a fairly big gulf between the external circumstances.

That's quite possibly the worst logic I've ever heard. The more playerbase you get on Graal, period, the more players you're going to have on any given server. Back when Classic dominated the playerlist there were still 5-6 other servers with a playerbase of atleast 50, which is good.

Now if you mean Classic will be overshadowed by iClassic, yeah probably. Who knows though, really.

Originally Posted by fccmike

There seems to be a lot of complaining among iPhone players regarding their technical disadvantage sparring against those using the Facebook client, which while it offers the advantage of side straithing, doesn't run as smoothly as the PC client, and so could well be more of a problem.

I'm quite sure that the top tier iClassic sparrers have access to FB accounts. Not only that but important tournies like the GST is split between the FB server and iClassic server so no such thing is a problem. To eradicate sparring complaints there could be rooms dedicated to PC only and rooms dedicated to iSparrers only. You'd then have a room where everyone can join etc.

If scoreboard is the issue (which it isn't, if you look at the iClassic top 10 it's pretty much who you'd expect) then you'd have different scoreboards for PC sparrers and iSparrers. i.e you have two different sparring rates.

Originally Posted by Hiro

You do realize that without side strafing you can't even compete at higher levels of sparring right?

You will almost never be able to land side hits or blink well enough.

Complete nonsense. Side strafing is, imo, a technical advantage but it's not required to win even in high tier spars. Whether you like it or not the iServers are the only future PC Graal has. The only reason we've had a small influx of players in the past few years is because of the popularity Graal gained on the iDevice.