I want the Forum to be public

[Crono]

Originally Posted by kia345

Why am I 75% sure you've asked something along these lines before?

How is this relevant AT ALL?

[BlueFireX]

Originally Posted by kia345

Why am I 75% sure you've asked something along these lines before?

I never ask how to get "yin yangs" infact when I joined graal my friend was a p2p who taught me what everything was, sure I am not the best player and honestly I dont try to be, but as a trial(which i was for about 2 week til i bought my membership over paypal -_-*hint hint for you trials*) I mostly searched around in servers and read masses. Only thing that I remember asking someone that now sounds stupid is "what do p2p stand for"(I didn't read graalonline little help thing)

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Gerami

How is this relevant AT ALL?

How was Zid's post...?

I defend the trials justice...
I am the peoples' voice...
I...am...Trialman

I was just stating that while he goes out of his way to consider most/all trials noobs, he probably had the same traits as them at one point

[Door]

Originally Posted by Gerami

Before we start I'd like to say that big paragraphs aren't going to help your argument.

Correct, Correct, Semi-Correct (refer to below).

I PK them more than I PK classic accounts because they are easy picks. I basically exploit their lack of skill. Other times you have an occassional n00blet who has too big of a mouth. I don't think anyone here would take crap from a lil trial, and it sure doesn't leave a good impression for the rest of the trials.

Like what?

How cute.

Refer to my statement about not all trials being dumb.

Wait what? I already explained this.

I'm a bit confused by what you're trying to say here.

A trial has never asked me for LATing help though. And a hero to many? LOL sorry Door, flattering me isn't going to help.

What? I'm not a role model for anyone on Graal.

If they read all my posts they'd understand that not all of them are idiots to begin with. Just a bulk of them, which tend to stand out more than the other smart trials, thus the stereotype.

You misinterpreted a lot of what I said... I think you broke it down too much, instead of reading it together, which is how I wrote it, and which is how it should be read. Sorry for not dumbing down my posts by breaking them down sentence by sentence the way you do, but I think paragraphs look better and read in a much more lucid, flowing fashion.

As an FAQ on Classic, I talked to a lot of noobs. Some of them had video problems on their computer and couldn't see the screen problem correctly. Some of them barely spoke English, if they did. I guess all of those are idiots too?

And just to be clear, I didn't mean to say that you're the one tons of people look up to, the cliffing comment was just supposed to be cute. What I mean is that people might read your posts and derive their beliefs from them. It happens. It's very, very easy to impress generalizations on others, and surely if you flaunt this attitude--that the majority of trials are idiots--others will be affected.

[BlueFireX]

How about we do what runescape do to people who arent p2p and call them demos :]

They get a demo of what graal is I am sure that is a better name than trial(Don't care for your argument of why trial is a better name it was a joke get over it)

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Door

*tags in*

Um.. Yeah! Crono!

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Door

You misinterpreted a lot of what I said... I think you broke it down too much, instead of reading it together, which is how I wrote it, and which is how it should be read. Sorry for not dumbing down my posts by breaking them down sentence by sentence the way you do, but I think paragraphs look better and read in a much more lucid, flowing fashion.

That's nice, because I can't be assed to write out huge paragraphs. Also I prefer breaking down points because it's easier.

As an FAQ on Classic, I talked to a lot of noobs. Some of them had video problems on their computer and couldn't see the screen problem correctly. Some of them barely spoke English, if they did. I guess all of those are idiots too?

I don't know. Were they? You're the one who communicated with them not me.

And just to be clear, I didn't mean to say that you're the one tons of people look up to, the cliffing comment was just supposed to be cute. What I mean is that people might read your posts and derive their beliefs from them. It happens. It's very, very easy to impress generalizations on others, and surely if you flaunt this attitude--that the majority of trials are idiots--others will be affected.

You totally missed my point. I'm saying that trials are viewed as idiots because theres a lot of them. It's more a stereotype than a truth. But if someone's views are bent because of what I'm posting, that's not my problem.

[cbk1994]

I don't see how any of you can justify stereotyping trials and PKing them because they are easier to kill! If that is the only way you can get kills, then maybe you should try something else.

Crono, I bet you once were a trial. And I bet anything people made fun of you.

[BlueFireX]

"0Mg Cr0n0 iz pottn sum1 dwn, I m goin 2 b jus lyk him" Just wondering but when you see people post insults or "the truth" do you think trials are thinking this? Honestly who cares the point of this topic is to decide to make this forum public, and I say no. Why let anyone post, why let someone who may be banned from graal post? Why let someone who tried to destroy a server post? You are crying about trials pfft cry for me everytime I honestly get into a server i find out some hackers are trying to destroy it?

Oh and not really my business but of course we were all once trial the thing is even if you got made fun of did you show those people wrong? Most trials i laugh at still make me laugh even if they became a p2p.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by cbkbud

I don't see how any of you can justify stereotyping trials and PKing them because they are easier to kill! If that is the only way you can get kills, then maybe you should try something else.

They're easier to kill so I'll pk them...

Crono, I bet you once were a trial. And I bet anything people made fun of you.

No, I started in 2000 and I was never trial.

Either way when I was a noob I was pked and insulted too, big deal? Who wasn't? It didn't make me quit now did it?

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by cbkbud

I don't see how any of you can justify stereotyping trials and PKing them because they are easier to kill! If that is the only way you can get kills, then maybe you should try something else.

Crono, I bet you once were a trial. And I bet anything people made fun of you.

Don't argue against that, it seems pretty silly to say something like "DONT PK THE TRIALS, THEY'RE THE NEW GUYS WE'VE GOT TO BE ALL NICE TO THEM" because PKing is an integral part of the gameplay. I think the tangent that has been brought up, albeit an unprovoked one (or maybe it was? I'm not really following the thread), is the fact of people's attitudes towards trial players, as though they are worthless and they are idiots, which in my opinion is wrong.

In response to the original topic though, I personally don't believe trials should be allowed to post on the forums, and after speaking to Door earlier about it, neither does she. The forums are a part of the game, it also provides an additional feature to upgrading your account. The attitudes towards new players on the forums is horrible too, but that's another conversation altogether.

[MisterMastermind]

Originally Posted by Door

Wow... wtf? How dare you guys talk about trials like that? A lot of those 'idiots' are the subscribing regulars of Graal now. And a lot of the current 'idiots' will be eventually. This is the worst attitude ever. It's like saying that kids who take to long to learn how to read in school should be sent away, because they're idiots. I mean, holy crap, what use is a child who can't even read? You're right, trials are worthless and can never become full members, so we should just send them off to wallow in their idiocy alone.

Wow.
Wow, wow, wow.

This is the attitude that's killing Graal. Let's send away fresh blood! Who needs new players, when we've already met our amazing quota of 200 people on per day. WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN TRIALS WHO ARE IDIOTS--THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO PLAY.

Good game, no rematch.

Until you have spent 25+ hours on zone attempting to chat with the trials there, searching for an intelligent conversation I refuse to take anything you have to say to them into consideration. I have upwards of 1,400 hours on there and I have met some of the most unintelligent people you could ever have nightmares about meeting. Ohgreat, now I can even guess what your thinking. "You were a trial once, don't stereotype them all together!" What punishment can we give them to keep them off the forums if they act like idiots with flaming, spamming and posting pornographic websites? "LOLOL IP BANT!" They can evade that. "LOLOL ACCONT B@N!!!" They can evade that. "LOLOLOL COMPUTER ID BAN!!!!!!111" Guess what... I've heard multiple times that they can, and HAVE been evading that.

For the whole wallowing in your own pile of steaming stupid nonsense... From what I've seen, they don't WANT to change. You can take a horse to water but you can't make it drink. I've tried attempting to educate one with proper grammar and the basics of graal. Wanna guess what response I got 95% of the time? "LOLOL nerd git a lyfe." Some of them may have GREAT ideas, they should just tell those ideas to a P2P in game.

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by Gerami

What? I'm not a role model for anyone on Graal.

You just broke my heart..

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by BlueFireX

Go to Unholy Nation :] you will see a trial asking how to get more "yin yangs"

Yea, well when you first look at Graal, what do the "hearts" look like to you? It isn't an idiotic question. They just don't know the proper "Graal speak" yet.

Originally Posted by BlueFireX

I never ask how to get "yin yangs" infact when I joined graal my friend was a p2p who taught me what everything was, sure I am not the best player and honestly I dont try to be, but as a trial(which i was for about 2 week til i bought my membership over paypal -_-*hint hint for you trials*) I mostly searched around in servers and read masses. Only thing that I remember asking someone that now sounds stupid is "what do p2p stand for"(I didn't read graalonline little help thing)

Lucky for you, you had a friend who knew the ropes to help you, not everyone does.
I applaud trials who aren't afraid to ask questions to get help.
I do not applaud they way they are treated by some staff, and players though. I can't tell you how many complaints I have gotten, and still get about this, in game and on the forums.
I would have to say that this is not a very friendly game at this point.
Years ago, when I first started playing when there was only Classic, the players and staff were much friendlier then today (Not to say there aren't a lot of friendly people, because there are). Seems that for every one decent player, there are two not so decent players. *sigh*

Seriously, let the trials be, let them learn the game without being hated on, and maybe more of them will get p2p's.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by xXziroXx

You just broke my heart..

Aww. <3

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Lucky for you, you had a friend who knew the ropes to help you, not everyone does.

I didn't, and I had to work my way up from nothing. Didn't stop me though, no matter how many people PKed me and how many people insulted me and stuff.