CTF. Nough Said.

[James]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

Ok I guess I have some bad news for 33 of you (granted I would like to know who the other 3 are but hey w/e, you're entitled to your own opinion.)

Well it seems that since a 'server wipe' is coming up in the near future (not sure of all the details, but it seems a lot of the server systems are gonna be taken down and rebuilt. the key profile stats should be kept in tact. not sure about the levels, though i imagine a downsize is likely,) so this CTF idea will have to wait for a while. The systems that CTF uses, along with some useful stuff that is used by either the server or GCs, are going to be part of the group that is being rebuilt. Apparently the "old systems" can't be kept up so ctf is playable while new ones are being built for everything else (thor and/or storm, feel free to correct this if I'm wrong.)

So, a lot of technical mumbo-jumbo aside, this CTF idea won't happen until all the necessary systems are rebuilt. Will it be quick? Will ctf be better after it is completed? One can hope.

Until then, gl with w/e you all are doing with your free time.

-Glad

why can't you just use the old movement system in the ctf levels only? i don't understand why we can't play because you have to rebuild everything.

[Crimson2005]

Originally Posted by James

why can't you just use the old movement system in the ctf levels only? i don't understand why we can't play because you have to rebuild everything.

Because Thor has always been hellbent on ruining people's fun. The only way Graal is fun for him is when he is making someone else fkin miserable. How sad is he?

[James]

Originally Posted by Crimson2005

Because Thor has always been hellbent on ruining people's fun. The only way Graal is fun for him is when he is making someone else fkin miserable. How sad is he?

ok well i've just been informed classic has a dev server, so may i ask...

WTF??

[BlackSolider]

Originally Posted by James

why can't you just use the old movement system in the ctf levels only? i don't understand why we can't play because you have to rebuild everything.

I asked and apparently it is either A) not possible to have two different movement (+everything else) systems working, or B) that management simply doesn't want it to happen. Regardless whichever it actually is, it doesn't seem that this idea is going to happen any time soon.

Do note that I'm a mere reporter; I have very little knowledge of systems+scripts+other technical mumbo jumbo.

[Rufus]

This is pissing me off now. I still don't see any reason why this can not happen, there is absolutely nothing against it, and I'd like to see someone actually prove otherwise. It doesn't need rescripting, the systems would not conflict anything they're making unless they're using the same awful naming conventions which I'd hope they aren't, and it wouldn't have a conflict of interest to the future of the server.

[Luda]

Didn't Classic at one point have more than one movement system while under Thor's control?

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Luda

Didn't Classic at one point have more than one movement system while under Thor's control?

It has happened since the server started with all of this custom stuff. Massokre had a movement, damage and hit detection system up while people were using Storm's systems, Hell Raven had a movement system up at the same time as we all used Massokre's and used it, Ibonic had his own hit detection system up, Thor has had his own hit detection system up, and Kat has had his own movement system up, etc etc.

[mistral_007]

Originally Posted by Rufus

It has happened since the server started with all of this custom stuff. Massokre had a movement, damage and hit detection system up while people were using Storm's systems, Hell Raven had a movement system up at the same time as we all used Massokre's and used it, Ibonic had his own hit detection system up, Thor has had his own hit detection system up, and Kat has had his own movement system up, etc etc.

I wanna have a movement system and be cool too.

[ffcmike]

Some people are way over-reacting here,
or terribly misinformed,
it should be obvious that the wipe was planned before this whole CTF idea,
it's not a deliberate attempt to spoil everyones fun,
such conspiracy theories do make me chuckle though.

Nobody has said this can't or won't happen,
if anything I have explained to those who have personally asked me about it that i'd like it to happen,
but as far as systems go, it's not just a simple case of re-uploading them,
the main systems that have been in use for the last several years are not "pluggable",
they're not made in such a way that you can easily pick and choose which parts you want to use and which parts you do not, if this wasn't the case the systems probably wouldn't be being remade from scratch but instead re-worked gradually.

Now yeah, there has been several different movement systems on the server over the years, but only one of those were compatable with CTF,
and there would be some inconveniences as a result of having the mess of "remove entire set of new systems from player -> apply entire set of old systems to player",
i'm not saying it can't be done, just would require some time to re-work it,
otherwise the server would just end up with the same problems it does now,
but then it's not just CTF and Movement systems, it's everything,
Staff System, Boots, Tools are examples of things that would need to be re-worked for this aswell, but is it really wise to develop for 2 different sets of systems?
It would be much wiser to make everything properly so you can have stuff work regardless of systems.

Also i'll mention that the whole GC System mentioned by Mystic was actually referring to the idea of having a System to flexibly be used by all Team Events,
so this would also include stuff like KoM, WaW, Battlegrounds etc,
instead of spending time remaking team controls every time a new team event is made,
this would speed up Development of Team Events, but also offer improvements such as Teams being able to select their own Guild Tag and perhaps even nick colour for an event.

[BlackSolider]

Thanks for clearing things up mr Thor.

Btw you spelled "color" wrong.

[ff7chocoboknight]

It's just a Brit thing. colour armour I don't know dictionary says it's wrong

[BlackSolider]

Sarcasm my good sir, sarcasm.

[MysticX2X]

Americanism.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by ffcmike

terribly misinformed

lol..

Originally Posted by ffcmike

but as far as systems go, it's not just a simple case of re-uploading them,
the main systems that have been in use for the last several years are not "pluggable",
they're not made in such a way that you can easily pick and choose which parts you want to use and which parts you do not

Originally Posted by ffcmike

and there would be some inconveniences as a result of having the mess of "remove entire set of new systems from player -> apply entire set of old systems to player"

Nobody is asking for pluggable systems, nobody is asking for the majority of what was on Classic, they're asking for the systems that are needed that are surrounding the playability of CTF. 90 percent of the scripts that are on Classic are not needed in order for people to play CTF as they did. It is incredibly easy to add and remove systems from players, hell people have had servers that contained multiple sub-servers each with their own systems so it's not really an inconvenience either. I'd like to know how it isn't that easy, because after talking to several people I think it is.

Originally Posted by ffcmike

require some time to re-work it,
otherwise the server would just end up with the same problems it does now,
but then it's not just CTF and Movement systems, it's everything

I don't see why anything needs reworking aside from differentiating what a player is doing and what systems that player needs to do what they're doing. CTF has no problems right now, and that's all that people were asking for. There are systems that need to be up in order for people to play that very same CTF, yes, but that's not a problem.

Originally Posted by ffcmike

Staff System, Boots, Tools are examples of things that would need to be re-worked for this aswell

They don't need reworking as they actually work with the systems. They might not work with the new systems, but I don't see where they come into play here as they shouldn't be having any effect on the CTF games at all.

Originally Posted by ffcmike

but is it really wise to develop for 2 different sets of systems?
It would be much wiser to make everything properly so you can have stuff work regardless of systems.

No one is asking for major additional development to be made on old systems, they want minor changes made so that they can play the event in the short term, as opposed to..

Originally Posted by ffcmike

Also i'll mention that the whole GC System mentioned by Mystic was actually referring to the idea of having a System to flexibly be used by all Team Events,
so this would also include stuff like KoM, WaW, Battlegrounds etc,
instead of spending time remaking team controls every time a new team event is made,
this would speed up Development of Team Events, but also offer improvements such as Teams being able to select their own Guild Tag and perhaps even nick colour for an event.

Which would be mean that major development would be needed, but that's a far cry from what people are actually suggesting so that they can play.

[fa12]

Originally Posted by Luda

I think this is an excuse to stop us from having fun, considering Thor is the Anti Christ.

he's also the Anti Poon