Cheat program detection

[Twinny]

Instead of showing the RC alert every single time (and most of the times, multiple RC entries for the one detection ) a 'cheat program' is detected, could it be changed to warn RC on the second attempt within a short period of time (say a day or two)?

I've not realized I've had graal opened several times while trying to use these tools and as such have a few 'alerts' against me. Most staff understand this but you get a few trigger happy fools who are more than ready to ban you.

[Crow]

Originally Posted by Twinny

Most staff understand this but you get a few trigger happy fools who are more than ready to ban you.

Exactly. You wont get this feature changed, I already tried.

[Admins]

Originally Posted by Twinny

who are more than ready to ban you.

I think they should?

[Twinny]

Originally Posted by Stefan

I think they should?

I agree completely if a person tries multiple times to use a program against the graal client in one setting. But in accidental cases, it kinda sucks. I play graal in the wee hours alot so not much activity. I often leave graal idling whilst playing another game. As such, I sometimes forget about the whole detection when attempting to manipulate other games. I recently got banned since I've been detected 3 times over a spaced out period of two years.

[TSAdmin]

But the thing is, Twinny, that it only takes one attempt for players who know what they're doing. And if they do fail once, go do it again on another account/IP/CompID or all of the above.

[Crow]

But it also takes only one harmless action by someone who didnt even know about the detection to get banned. The RC will be alerted when you switch into an empty folder called "Cheat Engine" for example.

[Sam]

There is still the option to contact a staff member to clarify the "mistake".

[Crow]

Originally Posted by Sam

There is still the option to contact a staff member to clarify the "mistake".

Sure, do that and try to prove you didnt do anything -_- Good luck.

[Twinny]

Originally Posted by Sam

There is still the option to contact a staff member to clarify the "mistake".

Certain members of staff are fairly...thick-headed... plus arrogant.

Originally Posted by TSAdmin

But the thing is, Twinny, that it only takes one attempt for players who know what they're doing. And if they do fail once, go do it again on another account/IP/CompID or all of the above.

If the computer ID method was improved, it would be a ****load harder to forge. As for IP, I know several IRC servers have an open proxy scanner...would be cool if Graal did the same to try and prevent proxy-based hackers.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Crow

Sure, do that and try to prove you didnt do anything -_- Good luck.

I have given amnesty to players several times.

[Crow]

Originally Posted by Sam

I have given amnesty to players several times.

You are a pretty nice person Sam, but there are alot of staff members who just dont understand what exactly is going on. I see that as a problem :/

[Bell]

Originally Posted by Crow

You are a pretty nice person Sam, but there are alot of staff members who just dont understand what exactly is going on. I see that as a problem :/

The bigger problem is, almost every last one of them uses the excuse its a false detection or I was using the cheat tools on another game. Who do you believe and who do you not? Then after they've been given chances and staff get fed up and ban them permanently they come back, admit they had cheated in the past but swear on their mothers lives they will never do it again.

I don't see it as thickheaded staff, I see it as staff getting tired of listening to people cry about getting caught. First time grouping or use is supposed to be a 30 day cheating ban as a warning its been detected anyway. If you have an empty cheat tools folder that it catches then maybe changing the folder name might be in order.

As far as forgetting you left graal open all I have to say is this. Don't idle for hours Twinny and it won't happen

[Twinny]

Originally Posted by Bell

The bigger problem is, almost every last one of them uses the excuse its a false detection or I was using the cheat tools on another game. Who do you believe and who do you not? Then after they've been given chances and staff get fed up and ban them permanently they come back, admit they had cheated in the past but swear on their mothers lives they will never do it again.

If it only alerts staff on the second+ try, the people who are actually trying to cheat will be caught out. Most non-malicious players won't get past the first client warning.

[xAndrewx]

You're only saying this because you got caught, rofl

[Twinny]

Originally Posted by xAndrewx

You're only saying this because you got caught, rofl

I've defended quite a few people regarding this and for some time.