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Originally Posted by Ziro of the Turks
Wrong. It wouldn't be a bigger mistake. Maybe a mistake just as well. But definitely not bigger.
But if everyone has the same "advantage"... guess what? It's not an advantage anymore. Eventually everyone learns it and it becomes part of the game.
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You're trying to justify the abuse of bugs, and it's hilarious.
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To be more clear, here's what's pissed me off in the past:
Years ago, alchemy equipment was done through the "random alchemy" process. I wasn't much into the game, so I still don't know how it was done. But apparently this was available for anyone to do. These items were constantly being made, and thus weren't too expensive (and would continue to drop in price).
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Alchemy wasn't 'random' in the past. It's just that there weren't recipes, and almost all of it was guess-work. I hung out with Nayoko and Athealis lot back when I was in Samurai a long time ago, and they figured out how to do all the most important recipes before everyone else. Back then Mith and PMoP were high-end equipment, and people actually forked out a lot of money for them. It was mainly because only a few knew how to do alchemy without slagging.
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Originally Posted by Ziro of the Turks
Then one day Stefan made it so you could no longer make these items.
Once that happened, if you had these kind of items, it was wise to just hold on to them and watch the prices sky-rocket.
It took years before they fixed this problem. TBH, I'm still not sure it was fixed. Aren't there some elite items that still exist from those days? Making them very expensive...
Either way, it was very annoying during the years that this was a problem.
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There are very few items which still linger around as a result of the old alchemy system. One would be a version of Large Morningstar of Carman, which has magic +110 on it, and there are other things like non-dex Full Helmets of Might, Old Mith, Old PMoP, etc. What happened was the statistics for each of these items were altered when the new system came about, and the old items couldn't be made anymore. These items, of course, were not deleted off of accounts, so there's still a few floating around these days. Some are rare, (like Old FHoM) but most of them are not better than what we have today, statistically.
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Originally Posted by Ziro of the Turks
The other option would be to remove all the items. But this would just be lazy and piss everyone off.
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Yup, pretty much. Plus, trying to remove all of them from the server would be like going on a witch hunt through every player's account in search of them.
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What pissed me off in the more recent past is how many seemed to have reached unattainable levels (especially in physique) through the level-bug. Apparently these levels couldn't be realistically reached via the monsters existing in the game because after a while, the monsters give crap EXP. So it would take forever to get to those levels. The solution, I think, would be to make stronger monsters.
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I was the one to bring the wisdom de-leveling bug to Stefan's attention. But I find it funny that this glitch irritated you when you said earlier that bugs should be exploited and accepted as 'just part of the game.' Seems contradictory.
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Or you could always penalize those for abusing such a bug.
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But no one did. Thanks, Bjorn. Thanks, Sam.
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But it's hard to say what's bug abuse, and what's just an unknown feature.
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No it's not. It's obvious when players have discovered loopholes in the system just by looking at what they're doing. Every day for months I watched Fr0 take his second account into brutals to power-level. Then once everyone started to catch on to what he was doing, they quickly followed suit to try and exploit the same bug. It was at that point I logged onto RC and told Stefan about it. Stefan fixed it, but Bjorn altogether refused to penalize Fr0 for it, even though I insisted on it. So for the longest time, Fr0 was perched at the very top of the high score list in multiple areas until he quit and was surpassed by others.