Updates log, May 31 - June 7

[Spikedude]

Hi all,

Just want to give a briefing on the updates for the last week:

-) Two new LATs have joined us as trials (SensesFail and Green7Lmfao).

-) Nas is working on revamping old buildings and levels to keep them current. Check out the casino for an example.

-) Green is working on a new quest, and will soon start on some other levels we have been thinking of.

-) The ultimate goal is to bring back a form of house edits where you can submit payment through a gui (like the gang application window), and an LAT can approve the work and do it. The player could then lodge a complaint through the system if they don't like what was done. It would be limited to retilings of current levels; no changing the size and no adding new levels.

-) Drive Bys have been released. Buy the Drive-by gun from the Gang shop for 500 points; you can then shoot as the passenger in a car. Aim with your mouse and shoot with D. This uses uzi ammo.

-) Unlimited Ammo will no longer be stocked. Once the current stock dwindles, we will release it again as a special prize (where only a few people each week will be able to get it). This should fix a few of the problems we've been having.

-) Level themes (I knew I forgot something). Say ":themes" to toggle on and off. There's a lot more of them than when we did the trial period a while back. You should check it out; some of them are really good. Turn your mp3 volume way up in sound options to hear them better (some are really quiet).

We are working on a few cool things that should be coming out soon, so hopefully we'll have a longer list next week. I may be forgetting something here too.

Feel free to post opinions or ideas here; I will also be hosting the weekly review tomorrow around the time of Gang Events. I plan to pick 5 players and then open an event warper for the other 5.

Thanks for playing/reading everyone!

EDIT: Added bullet for Level Themes

EDIT: Unstick me levels were just changed! Go check them out; something fresh.

[Eclipse]

If your removing unlimited ammo, we should be able to add more than 9999 ammo into a gun

[Kohola_KinG]

Originally Posted by Eclipse

If your removing unlimited ammo, we should be able to add more than 9999 ammo into a gun

No we shouldn't. 9999 is a lot of ammo. If you used up 9999 bullets then you should have LOTS of kills to show for it. The amount of money you receive from those kills should buy you 9999 ammo 50 times over.

[Eclipse]

proves you didn't play when you had 100k ammo...9999 is not alot of ammo

[Kohola_KinG]

Originally Posted by Eclipse

proves you didn't play when you had 100k ammo...9999 is not alot of ammo noob

Why would that prove anything? Because i believe 9999 is enough ammo that means i didn't play when we had 100k ammo? Dunno why i bother.

If we had 100k ammo then what would have been the point removing the unlimited ammo, eclipse?

If you run out of 9999 ammo to soon then i can guess that you probably spam to much and miss a lot of your targets. If you run out, so what? Go buy some more.

[Fiberwyre_P2P]

Originally Posted by Kohola_KinG

No we shouldn't. 9999 is a lot of ammo. If you used up 9999 bullets then you should have LOTS of kills to show for it. The amount of money you receive from those kills should buy you 9999 ammo 50 times over.

His problem wasn't with money, it was with the amount of ammo the gun can hold. The fact that he'd be able to pay for the ammo used doesn't address that problem, does it?

[Eclipse]

Originally Posted by Kohola_KinG

Why would that prove anything? Because i believe 9999 is enough ammo that means i didn't play when we had 100k ammo? Dunno why i bother.

If we had 100k ammo then what would have been the point removing the unlimited ammo, eclipse?

If you run out of 9999 ammo to soon then i can guess that you probably spam to much and miss a lot of your targets. If you run out, so what? Go buy some more.

This was never about cost of ammo, the only reason they changed max ammo capacity was because people used artmoney to hack ammo.

I have easily gone through 9000 uzi ammo in a single day (if raids and gang events are going on)
The cost for 90 boxes of uzi ammo is $630...hardly enough to break anyone's bank. So who cares if you have 50k ammo?

[Spikedude]

Originally Posted by Eclipse

This was never about cost of ammo, the only reason they changed max ammo capacity was because people used artmoney to hack ammo.

I have easily gone through 9000 uzi ammo in a single day (if raids and gang events are going on)
The cost for 90 boxes of uzi ammo is $630...hardly enough to break anyone's bank. So who cares if you have 50k ammo?

I think it's nice this way though; stops players from running into a raid with ridiculous amounts of ammo and just aimlessly spamming AA12 blasts into the room. Or at least discourages it (cause every 10 minutes you'd be running back to the ammo store). It forces a bit more tactfulness in ammo usage.

[Kohola_KinG]

Originally Posted by Fiberwyre_P2P

His problem wasn't with money, it was with the amount of ammo the gun can hold. The fact that he'd be able to pay for the ammo used doesn't address that problem, does it?

Who said it was a problem? It's something he doesn't like but it's certainly not a problem. I'll tell you what his problem is. Laziness. Run out of ammo? Cool, go top up. Spend some money (if money is not his problem).

Like seriously, i raid more than he does and i certainly do not use more than 9999 ammo in a day, what the hell is he shooting at?

[Fiberwyre_P2P]

Originally Posted by Spikedude

I think it's nice this way though; stops players from running into a raid with ridiculous amounts of ammo and just aimlessly spamming AA12 blasts into the room. Or at least discourages it (cause every 10 minutes you'd be running back to the ammo store). It forces a bit more tactfulness in ammo usage.

I don't think it does. People can still hold ridiculous amounts of ammo boxes in their inventory. The only thing it does is make it slightly more inconvenient, since you have to spam D on the ammo boxes every so often while you're waiting to unstick.

[bloodykiller]

Originally Posted by Spikedude

I think it's nice this way though; stops players from running into a raid with ridiculous amounts of ammo and just aimlessly spamming AA12 blasts into the room. Or at least discourages it (cause every 10 minutes you'd be running back to the ammo store). It forces a bit more tactfulness in ammo usage.

The money you get for kills is way higher than the cost of ammo so this wouldn't have any effect... Ammo cost used to be relevant on era half a dozen years ago but that's cuz you didn't get money for kills and everyone had way less money (the value of money was higher).

Donuts/cheese used to cost 6$ and heal 60 with almost no freeze and no cooldown. Most people didn't use food though since 6$ a piece used to be a significant amount.

[Eclipse]

Originally Posted by Kohola_KinG

Who said it was a problem? It's something he doesn't like but it's certainly not a problem. I'll tell you what his problem is. Laziness. Run out of ammo? Cool, go top up. Spend some money (if money is not his problem).

Like seriously, i raid more than he does and i certainly do not use more than 9999 ammo in a day, what the hell is he shooting at?

how stupid are you?
i always had 500 boxes of ammo on me so i never ran out, unlimited ammo fixed that and now you remove it... i thought a compromise for an ammo limit higher than 9k would be acceptable. Given its for all personal / selfish reasons i see a counter argument but koho's is invalid.

But you just argue with me on here to fill that void in ur personal life...argue away BRO

[Supaman771]

Originally Posted by Eclipse

BRO

I agree with Eclipse wholly here.

At-least now you can buy 50 boxes in one click, and hold D to fill them. But you still have to make a choice to carry all these heavy ammo boxes, or be forced to leave a raid at random times (usually after dying cause you can't reload) to go run to a corner of the map and buy ammo.. which might not be stocked for your type of gun.

It's all just about convenience, and most of the recent updates have been to make the game more streamlined and easy (lw pots, str pots, unstick button, space to respawn, grab to revive, 5 second unstick, etc). I don't see where Unlimited ammo stands out from the rest of these in any way.

Beyond that, I've proposed many solutions to the 'shotgun issue' and most were accepted by the administration... but never got done similar to the P4 on door-links exploit.

[bloodykiller]

The weight limit is bs..I'm always on 30-40 ft3 and thelimit is 10 ft3...

How are you supposed to incentivate people buying GRC food or other items (that take money out of the economy) when you have such a strict weight limit?

[Kohola_KinG]

Originally Posted by Eclipse

how stupid are you?
i always had 500 boxes of ammo on me so i never ran out, unlimited ammo fixed that and now you remove it... i thought a compromise for an ammo limit higher than 9k would be acceptable. Given its for all personal / selfish reasons i see a counter argument but koho's is invalid.

But you just argue with me on here to fill that void in ur personal life...argue away BRO

The only thing unlimited ammo fixed was stopping you from buying more ammo and having to load your ammo back into your gun.

If you say 9999 would only last you a day. That's what 100 boxes? I'll use uzi as that's what most people use. That's $800. 7 days. =$5600 .. Theirs $2600 more you're spending. That's nearly x2 unlimited boxes you are now buying.

Work that out with everyone doing that. More money is being spent. And i'm pretty sure the price of ammo is going to be raised to balance things out as money is to easily given out. If it's not, then i believe it should be.

Now instead of "debating" about how you have to now buy more ammo and having to spam D to load your weapon. Why have you simply not just stated that instead of removing unlimited ammo. Why have you not just raised the price of it? Would that not fix what you're debating about?

Also Amsel has a point about the tactical approach he wants to add to it. Would it stop the spamming, i honestly don't believe so as people wont think about how much ammo they have they will simply just spam as much as they can to avoid being killed and to get a kill themselves. They've been spamming to long now that they probably don't even realize they're doing it.

Eclipse. I am not arguing. I am simply debating, it's a forum. It's what forums are for. The only one that's being aggressive and obnoxious is you.

I respect your opinions as much as you're being a douche about it, i am just giving my reasons as to why i disagree.

Chill out bro.